Absenteeism at school

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Anonymous wrote:Nope, but my kids go to private school where there are definite consequences for skipping.

They can and do kick kids out for this.

Yep. If kids can skip this much class and still get As, they are taking easy classes.

Or they're in a school with grade inflation and non-existent attendance policies.

+1. Most smart kids can get A's in public, even in honors classes. And not all of us have money for private school if we also want to pay for college. So we had to choose and we chose college.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly when mine is doing well and not getting in trouble when she’s skipping, I could care less. If she’s managing her grades then she’s doing her job. If the schools cared, there would be consequences and there aren’t.

As far as influencing other kids, there are countless groups of kids who could potentially influence your kids. Those who do drugs and vape in the hallways. Those who never show up at all and fail. My kid who skips classes but gets all As. Etc. Etc. You just need to teach your kid to do what they need to do to be successful. It’s not my kid’s job to do what your kid needs them to do so your kid can be successful. You’re focusing on the wrong thing.

Yeah. This selfish attitude is why our society is in the toilet and our collective values are being eroded. It's sad.

+1000. I'll bet that kid is a mess or will be when she runs into a boss of professor who won't put up with it

Professors don't care if you attend class (if they don't grade in-class participation which 98% don't)...they just care that you get the work done. In theory, the kid has good practice for this.

Yes I did and while I admit that my experience was different having gone to an academy, I know from experience that many professors DO care. Maybe in the seminar classes where there are tons they don't, but once you start hitting the 300 + levels many profs are going to notice if someone is consistently not there. But ok, you somehow feel like showing up isn't important. Good luck with that.


LOL! That is NOT so about every professor! I can 100% gaurantee you that!

That's why I said 98% of professors...my kid is at a Top 10 college right now and only 1 professor out of the 9 classes this year cares whether you attend class or not. Actually, the professor doesn't care if you attend class, he cares about attending the recitation. So, I guess we can say 89% of professors don't care.

Ahhh. Your subjective experience dictates all of our realities. I see

No...did you not attend college? This isn't earth-shattering news here. You are expected to be an adult in college and professors aren't taking attendance or monitoring if you come to class. UC Berkeley has some classes with 2400 kids registered for the lecture and the lecture hall only seats 800. Everything is hybrid, so you can follow on zoom. That's common at many schools.

Scratching my head why you think it is otherwise.

Well, I went to an academy so my experience was different. I have ben a professor myself too though, and I definitely cared as did many of my colleagues at a non-military University. Freshman may get away with being absent a lot in seminar classes that are huge, but once you hit the 300+ level classes the sizes get smaller as kids hone in on majors. Many professors, especially then, care a lot . I just don't see how condoning skipping seems acceptable.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly when mine is doing well and not getting in trouble when she’s skipping, I could care less. If she’s managing her grades then she’s doing her job. If the schools cared, there would be consequences and there aren’t.

As far as influencing other kids, there are countless groups of kids who could potentially influence your kids. Those who do drugs and vape in the hallways. Those who never show up at all and fail. My kid who skips classes but gets all As. Etc. Etc. You just need to teach your kid to do what they need to do to be successful. It’s not my kid’s job to do what your kid needs them to do so your kid can be successful. You’re focusing on the wrong thing.

Yeah. This selfish attitude is why our society is in the toilet and our collective values are being eroded. It's sad.

+1000. I'll bet that kid is a mess or will be when she runs into a boss of professor who won't put up with it

Professors don't care if you attend class (if they don't grade in-class participation which 98% don't)...they just care that you get the work done. In theory, the kid has good practice for this.

Yes I did and while I admit that my experience was different having gone to an academy, I know from experience that many professors DO care. Maybe in the seminar classes where there are tons they don't, but once you start hitting the 300 + levels many profs are going to notice if someone is consistently not there. But ok, you somehow feel like showing up isn't important. Good luck with that.


LOL! That is NOT so about every professor! I can 100% gaurantee you that!

That's why I said 98% of professors...my kid is at a Top 10 college right now and only 1 professor out of the 9 classes this year cares whether you attend class or not. Actually, the professor doesn't care if you attend class, he cares about attending the recitation. So, I guess we can say 89% of professors don't care.

Ahhh. Your subjective experience dictates all of our realities. I see

No...did you not attend college? This isn't earth-shattering news here. You are expected to be an adult in college and professors aren't taking attendance or monitoring if you come to class. UC Berkeley has some classes with 2400 kids registered for the lecture and the lecture hall only seats 800. Everything is hybrid, so you can follow on zoom. That's common at many schools.

Scratching my head why you think it is otherwise.

Well, I went to an academy so my experience was different. I have ben a professor myself too though, and I definitely cared as did many of my colleagues at a non-military University. Freshman may get away with being absent a lot in seminar classes that are huge, but once you hit the 300+ level classes the sizes get smaller as kids hone in on majors. Many professors, especially then, care a lot . I just don't see how condoning skipping seems acceptable.

Ok. Of course that will be different. I wouldn't claim to know how service academy schools work.

First, there is a difference between caring vs. a kid's grade suffering or not. Professors will strongly suggest attending lectures and office hours, but few explicitly factor it into the grade.

Second, I think it is major-dependent. STEM and business majors lean towards problem sets and exams, not papers or discussions. Due to demand for the courses/majors even at 300 level and above, they may still be 50+ students in multiple sections. Again, the professors are not taking any attendance for the most part.

I am not condoning skipping, but simply making a factual correction that for many people, that college works much differently than HS or the workplace. That's all.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly when mine is doing well and not getting in trouble when she’s skipping, I could care less. If she’s managing her grades then she’s doing her job. If the schools cared, there would be consequences and there aren’t.

As far as influencing other kids, there are countless groups of kids who could potentially influence your kids. Those who do drugs and vape in the hallways. Those who never show up at all and fail. My kid who skips classes but gets all As. Etc. Etc. You just need to teach your kid to do what they need to do to be successful. It’s not my kid’s job to do what your kid needs them to do so your kid can be successful. You’re focusing on the wrong thing.

Yeah. This selfish attitude is why our society is in the toilet and our collective values are being eroded. It's sad.

+1000. I'll bet that kid is a mess or will be when she runs into a boss of professor who won't put up with it

Professors don't care if you attend class (if they don't grade in-class participation which 98% don't)...they just care that you get the work done. In theory, the kid has good practice for this.

Yes I did and while I admit that my experience was different having gone to an academy, I know from experience that many professors DO care. Maybe in the seminar classes where there are tons they don't, but once you start hitting the 300 + levels many profs are going to notice if someone is consistently not there. But ok, you somehow feel like showing up isn't important. Good luck with that.


LOL! That is NOT so about every professor! I can 100% gaurantee you that!

That's why I said 98% of professors...my kid is at a Top 10 college right now and only 1 professor out of the 9 classes this year cares whether you attend class or not. Actually, the professor doesn't care if you attend class, he cares about attending the recitation. So, I guess we can say 89% of professors don't care.

Ahhh. Your subjective experience dictates all of our realities. I see

No...did you not attend college? This isn't earth-shattering news here. You are expected to be an adult in college and professors aren't taking attendance or monitoring if you come to class. UC Berkeley has some classes with 2400 kids registered for the lecture and the lecture hall only seats 800. Everything is hybrid, so you can follow on zoom. That's common at many schools.

Scratching my head why you think it is otherwise.

Well, I went to an academy so my experience was different. I have ben a professor myself too though, and I definitely cared as did many of my colleagues at a non-military University. Freshman may get away with being absent a lot in seminar classes that are huge, but once you hit the 300+ level classes the sizes get smaller as kids hone in on majors. Many professors, especially then, care a lot . I just don't see how condoning skipping seems acceptable.

Ok. Of course that will be different. I wouldn't claim to know how service academy schools work.

First, there is a difference between caring vs. a kid's grade suffering or not. Professors will strongly suggest attending lectures and office hours, but few explicitly factor it into the grade.

Second, I think it is major-dependent. STEM and business majors lean towards problem sets and exams, not papers or discussions. Due to demand for the courses/majors even at 300 level and above, they may still be 50+ students in multiple sections. Again, the professors are not taking any attendance for the most part.

I am not condoning skipping, but simply making a factual correction that for many people, that college works much differently than HS or the workplace. That's all.

Thanks for your civility! We actual got to those point talking calmly! Take care!

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly when mine is doing well and not getting in trouble when she’s skipping, I could care less. If she’s managing her grades then she’s doing her job. If the schools cared, there would be consequences and there aren’t.

As far as influencing other kids, there are countless groups of kids who could potentially influence your kids. Those who do drugs and vape in the hallways. Those who never show up at all and fail. My kid who skips classes but gets all As. Etc. Etc. You just need to teach your kid to do what they need to do to be successful. It’s not my kid’s job to do what your kid needs them to do so your kid can be successful. You’re focusing on the wrong thing.

Yeah. This selfish attitude is why our society is in the toilet and our collective values are being eroded. It's sad.

+1000. I'll bet that kid is a mess or will be when she runs into a boss of professor who won't put up with it

Professors don't care if you attend class (if they don't grade in-class participation which 98% don't)...they just care that you get the work done. In theory, the kid has good practice for this.

Yes I did and while I admit that my experience was different having gone to an academy, I know from experience that many professors DO care. Maybe in the seminar classes where there are tons they don't, but once you start hitting the 300 + levels many profs are going to notice if someone is consistently not there. But ok, you somehow feel like showing up isn't important. Good luck with that.


LOL! That is NOT so about every professor! I can 100% gaurantee you that!

That's why I said 98% of professors...my kid is at a Top 10 college right now and only 1 professor out of the 9 classes this year cares whether you attend class or not. Actually, the professor doesn't care if you attend class, he cares about attending the recitation. So, I guess we can say 89% of professors don't care.

Ahhh. Your subjective experience dictates all of our realities. I see

No...did you not attend college? This isn't earth-shattering news here. You are expected to be an adult in college and professors aren't taking attendance or monitoring if you come to class. UC Berkeley has some classes with 2400 kids registered for the lecture and the lecture hall only seats 800. Everything is hybrid, so you can follow on zoom. That's common at many schools.

Scratching my head why you think it is otherwise.

Well, I went to an academy so my experience was different. I have ben a professor myself too though, and I definitely cared as did many of my colleagues at a non-military University. Freshman may get away with being absent a lot in seminar classes that are huge, but once you hit the 300+ level classes the sizes get smaller as kids hone in on majors. Many professors, especially then, care a lot . I just don't see how condoning skipping seems acceptable.

Ok. Of course that will be different. I wouldn't claim to know how service academy schools work.

First, there is a difference between caring vs. a kid's grade suffering or not. Professors will strongly suggest attending lectures and office hours, but few explicitly factor it into the grade.

Second, I think it is major-dependent. STEM and business majors lean towards problem sets and exams, not papers or discussions. Due to demand for the courses/majors even at 300 level and above, they may still be 50+ students in multiple sections. Again, the professors are not taking any attendance for the most part.

I am not condoning skipping, but simply making a factual correction that for many people, that college works much differently than HS or the workplace. That's all.

Thanks for your civility! We actually got to this point talking calmly! Take care!

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Where my DS will go to High School (large public) this wouldn't work, they call after 1 class missed. Also he wouldn't be able to do any sports or extracurricular activities, like school plays, etc. Interesting that so many kids are able to freely skip in high school.

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I teach high school and in nova the discipline matrices now mean we can’t suspend kids for skipping. There’s really no consequence other than failure and then they go to credit recovery and do 3 worksheets and pass. I hate it .

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As long as my kid maintains good grades and has a healthy attitude about learning and pursuing goals for the future, I look the other way over skipping a class here and there. I see no issue with this approach.

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I find the arguments about teaching habits for the future (college, jobs, etc.) pretty laughable. Of course there will be different rules and expectations in each environment and part of growing up is leaning to adjust. The proper approach is teaching kids to be attuned to the particulars of their environment, not demanding an elementary school student wear a suit and tie to school every day "because you better get used to what they will expect of you in the real world"

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If my kid can get great grades and skip some classes, go off king or queen!!

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Nowhere in here is the idea that you might learn something interesting or show appreciation for a teacher if you go
To class. I know not every class is fascinating, but it’s your only time in life when learning is queued up for you. You can learn about cells or Steinbeck or the Opium Wars.

And thanks to The teacher who chimed in: most teachers I know are trying to share something they love with their students. Kids Throwing it away to hang with friends at every chance, probably just scrolling through TikTok, is sad. It’s another sign of people opting out and curating their own experiences, part of which has led to Such a terrible political landscape. I would actually prefer kids numbly submitting to the convention of going to class, even if they’re bored.

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Things have changed, is about grades, attendance isn't enforced in fcps they don't do anything punitive with attendance, natural consequences of grades

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Only boomers think showing up and learning nothing is important, school isn't daycare

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Anonymous wrote:Your kid needs to be in harder classes. I don't mind when my kid skips, but they know that they can miss many days of the challenging courses. The mandatory art class they have to take, they skip multiple times a week. It really is a waste of time for everyone

Several times a week? Just because it’s art? Your kids are not exactly well rounded are they.

Wouldn’t that mess up their gpa when they apply as an engineering student?

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Anonymous wrote:High school is just for warehousing teens anyway. Most of their education is over by the time they're 14.

If you believe that to be true, you're only revealing the limitations of your own education.

I was thinking about all the poorer countries who have to have them stop at this age to work. If they had a choice they’d be in class every day.