IB Math - Math AI vs Math AA

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Anonymous wrote:According to this curriculum overview (subject briefs), Analysis HL has 55 hours of calculus, and Applications HL has 41 hours.

https://www.ibo.org/programmes/diploma-programme/curriculum/mathematics/

I’m surprised by how little instruction time IB classes have.

AP Calculus BC is 148 instruction hours.

https://apcentral.collegeboard.org/media/pdf/ap-calculus-bc-planning-pacing-guide-dover-2015.pdf

Its truly shocking how bad IB is.

But the difference is that AP Calc BC is just teaching Calculus. AA HL is teaching calculus plus statistics and other foundational math, and requires 240 instruction hours.

That’s why the integrated approach for advanced math classes sucks, and nobody else does it.

In two years of IB HL Analysis you’d do 55 hours of calculus and 33 hours of statistics. The rest is not advanced topics, it’s “foundational” concepts from precalculus, algebra and geometry that frankly should be mastered already.

Taking the AP route of Calculus BC and AP Statistics you get about 148 hours of instruction for each. The IB HL Analysis part of statistics only covers topics from the first half of AP Statistics, ie no sampling distributions or hypothesis testing etc.

People that plug the strength of the IB Math program should really look into it before giving advice to others. It is a bad curriculum.

? European schools do integrated math. Too many kids lack good foundational knowledge in math when they get up to higher level math.

In any case, OP's school doesn't have AP, so your post is moot.

I actually went to high school in an European country, integrated math is not as common as you claim.

Not clear to me why you need to do a lengthy review algebra and geometry in what is supposed to be a college level math class like IB HL AA that is equivalent to university calculus.

My spouse went to school in Europe, and they did integrated math. They were confused when we went over the math pathway here in the US for our kids.

Do you have a kid who did HL math? I'm guessing not. Do you think HL math has 2x + x2 algebraic type problems? LOL

https://www.ibo.org/globalassets/new-structure/recognition/pdfs/curric-alignment-switzerland-en.pdf

https://www.ibo.org/globalassets/new-structure/recognition/pdfs/dp-sweden-final-report.pdf
HL math is more aligned to European math pathways given that IB is a European organization.

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Anonymous wrote:According to this curriculum overview (subject briefs), Analysis HL has 55 hours of calculus, and Applications HL has 41 hours.

https://www.ibo.org/programmes/diploma-programme/curriculum/mathematics/

I’m surprised by how little instruction time IB classes have.

AP Calculus BC is 148 instruction hours.

https://apcentral.collegeboard.org/media/pdf/ap-calculus-bc-planning-pacing-guide-dover-2015.pdf

Its truly shocking how bad IB is.

But the difference is that AP Calc BC is just teaching Calculus. AA HL is teaching calculus plus statistics and other foundational math, and requires 240 instruction hours.

That’s why the integrated approach for advanced math classes sucks, and nobody else does it.

In two years of IB HL Analysis you’d do 55 hours of calculus and 33 hours of statistics. The rest is not advanced topics, it’s “foundational” concepts from precalculus, algebra and geometry that frankly should be mastered already.

Taking the AP route of Calculus BC and AP Statistics you get about 148 hours of instruction for each. The IB HL Analysis part of statistics only covers topics from the first half of AP Statistics, ie no sampling distributions or hypothesis testing etc.

People that plug the strength of the IB Math program should really look into it before giving advice to others. It is a bad curriculum.

? European schools do integrated math. Too many kids lack good foundational knowledge in math when they get up to higher level math.

In any case, OP's school doesn't have AP, so your post is moot.

I actually went to high school in an European country, integrated math is not as common as you claim.

Not clear to me why you need to do a lengthy review algebra and geometry in what is supposed to be a college level math class like IB HL AA that is equivalent to university calculus.

My spouse went to school in Europe, and they did integrated math. They were confused when we went over the math pathway here in the US for our kids.

Do you have a kid who did HL math? I'm guessing not. Do you think HL math has 2x + x2 algebraic type problems? LOL

https://www.ibo.org/globalassets/new-structure/recognition/pdfs/curric-alignment-switzerland-en.pdf

https://www.ibo.org/globalassets/new-structure/recognition/pdfs/dp-sweden-final-report.pdf
HL math is more aligned to European math pathways given that IB is a European organization.

The links you provided do not describe the syllabus of the IB classes. For the IB HL Analysis look here, page 61 for calculus standards.

https://holyheart.ca/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/Mathematics-Analysis-and-Approaches-Guide-first-assessment-2021.pdf

There are no BC specific topics parametric calculus, the series portion is very weak.

Unfortunately in IB Analysis they do teach the likes of 2x+x2, check page 39, standards SL 2.6 and 2.7, related to the quadratic equations.

Needless to say no AP class is covering those topics which honestly should be understood in depth at that point.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's a good curriculum, it's just not accelerated.
It can't compare to the path of students who start Algebra 2-3 years earlier and take 2-3 more years of math in high school.

It’s a bad curriculum for strong math students interested in STEM majors. This is the problem with the one size fits all approach of the IB program, it just doesn’t work well for the top. AP is a la carte so there’s more flexibility to fit the needs of those students.

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Anonymous wrote:Yet students who have already taken Calc BC struggle like crazy in AA HL at my kid’s school. Go figure.

I call BS in this. How do you know what classes those students took, and how they are doing in their current classes? Seriously, just mind your own business, leave those students alone, and refrain from badmouthing them. What a Karen!

Who hurt you? Geez.

Nobody hurt me. It’s just tacky to gossip and speculate on other kid’s academics. If you don’t see how this is in poor taste, I can’t really help you here.

You weren't responding to me FYI--someone just casually mentioned that kids struggle in her kids' school and you completely lost it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yet students who have already taken Calc BC struggle like crazy in AA HL at my kid’s school. Go figure.

I call BS in this. How do you know what classes those students took, and how they are doing in their current classes? Seriously, just mind your own business, leave those students alone, and refrain from badmouthing them. What a Karen!

Who hurt you? Geez.

Nobody hurt me. It’s just tacky to gossip and speculate on other kid’s academics. If you don’t see how this is in poor taste, I can’t really help you here.

You weren't responding to me FYI--someone just casually mentioned that kids struggle in her kids' school and you completely lost it.

What’s the point of even bringing it up here? Just check how you got that information. Some kids (more than one according to the pp) struggle in the HL Analysis after supposedly taking Calculus BC. Another classmate notices that and tells their mom. The mom casually mentions to you and the pp (maybe you) is bringing it here presented as fact.

Yeah, it’s tacky, have a little class.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yet students who have already taken Calc BC struggle like crazy in AA HL at my kid’s school. Go figure.

I call BS in this. How do you know what classes those students took, and how they are doing in their current classes? Seriously, just mind your own business, leave those students alone, and refrain from badmouthing them. What a Karen!

Who hurt you? Geez.

Nobody hurt me. It’s just tacky to gossip and speculate on other kid’s academics. If you don’t see how this is in poor taste, I can’t really help you here.

You weren't responding to me FYI--someone just casually mentioned that kids struggle in her kids' school and you completely lost it.

What’s the point of even bringing it up here? Just check how you got that information. Some kids (more than one according to the pp) struggle in the HL Analysis after supposedly taking Calculus BC. Another classmate notices that and tells their mom. The mom casually mentions to you and the pp (maybe you) is bringing it here presented as fact.

Yeah, it’s tacky, have a little class.

You keep using that phrase and I don't think it means what you think it means. Math IB aside PP-reading comprehension is not your strong suit.

[Anonymous]

OP, I teach math at an IB school.

You need junior and senior year to be IB years. You cannot start IB until you have finished algebra 2. If your child is dead set on the IB diploma, they either need to take geometry over the summer, or get permission to double up on geometry and algebra 2 as a sophomore.

In very, very unique cases (IB diploma candidate, strong academic history) we have allowed kids to skip applications year 1 and jump into year 2 SL, but it's not great.

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Anonymous wrote:According to this curriculum overview (subject briefs), Analysis HL has 55 hours of calculus, and Applications HL has 41 hours.

https://www.ibo.org/programmes/diploma-programme/curriculum/mathematics/

I’m surprised by how little instruction time IB classes have.

AP Calculus BC is 148 instruction hours.

https://apcentral.collegeboard.org/media/pdf/ap-calculus-bc-planning-pacing-guide-dover-2015.pdf

Its truly shocking how bad IB is.

But the difference is that AP Calc BC is just teaching Calculus. AA HL is teaching calculus plus statistics and other foundational math, and requires 240 instruction hours.

That’s why the integrated approach for advanced math classes sucks, and nobody else does it.

In two years of IB HL Analysis you’d do 55 hours of calculus and 33 hours of statistics. The rest is not advanced topics, it’s “foundational” concepts from precalculus, algebra and geometry that frankly should be mastered already.

Taking the AP route of Calculus BC and AP Statistics you get about 148 hours of instruction for each. The IB HL Analysis part of statistics only covers topics from the first half of AP Statistics, ie no sampling distributions or hypothesis testing etc.

People that plug the strength of the IB Math program should really look into it before giving advice to others. It is a bad curriculum.

? European schools do integrated math. Too many kids lack good foundational knowledge in math when they get up to higher level math.

In any case, OP's school doesn't have AP, so your post is moot.

I actually went to high school in an European country, integrated math is not as common as you claim.

Not clear to me why you need to do a lengthy review algebra and geometry in what is supposed to be a college level math class like IB HL AA that is equivalent to university calculus.

My spouse went to school in Europe, and they did integrated math. They were confused when we went over the math pathway here in the US for our kids.

Do you have a kid who did HL math? I'm guessing not. Do you think HL math has 2x + x2 algebraic type problems? LOL

https://www.ibo.org/globalassets/new-structure/recognition/pdfs/curric-alignment-switzerland-en.pdf

https://www.ibo.org/globalassets/new-structure/recognition/pdfs/dp-sweden-final-report.pdf
HL math is more aligned to European math pathways given that IB is a European organization.

The links you provided do not describe the syllabus of the IB classes. For the IB HL Analysis look here, page 61 for calculus standards.

https://holyheart.ca/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/Mathematics-Analysis-and-Approaches-Guide-first-assessment-2021.pdf

There are no BC specific topics parametric calculus, the series portion is very weak.

Unfortunately in IB Analysis they do teach the likes of 2x+x2, check page 39, standards SL 2.6 and 2.7, related to the quadratic equations.

Needless to say no AP class is covering those topics which honestly should be understood in depth at that point.

The link I provided addresses ^PPs post about math path in European schools.

AP classes cover those classes, sure, I don't think people are debating that. But, IB HL math path can be pretty rigorous, too. In MCPS, IB math includes AP BC calc, so those students get both types of rigorous math courses.

Also, pg 39 is SL, math no HL, and is showing you an example, and also note that in IB math you are expected to know how to apply the math (see Connections).

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Anonymous wrote:According to this curriculum overview (subject briefs), Analysis HL has 55 hours of calculus, and Applications HL has 41 hours.

https://www.ibo.org/programmes/diploma-programme/curriculum/mathematics/

I’m surprised by how little instruction time IB classes have.

AP Calculus BC is 148 instruction hours.

https://apcentral.collegeboard.org/media/pdf/ap-calculus-bc-planning-pacing-guide-dover-2015.pdf

Its truly shocking how bad IB is.

But the difference is that AP Calc BC is just teaching Calculus. AA HL is teaching calculus plus statistics and other foundational math, and requires 240 instruction hours.

That’s why the integrated approach for advanced math classes sucks, and nobody else does it.

In two years of IB HL Analysis you’d do 55 hours of calculus and 33 hours of statistics. The rest is not advanced topics, it’s “foundational” concepts from precalculus, algebra and geometry that frankly should be mastered already.

Taking the AP route of Calculus BC and AP Statistics you get about 148 hours of instruction for each. The IB HL Analysis part of statistics only covers topics from the first half of AP Statistics, ie no sampling distributions or hypothesis testing etc.

People that plug the strength of the IB Math program should really look into it before giving advice to others. It is a bad curriculum.

? European schools do integrated math. Too many kids lack good foundational knowledge in math when they get up to higher level math.

In any case, OP's school doesn't have AP, so your post is moot.

I actually went to high school in an European country, integrated math is not as common as you claim.

Not clear to me why you need to do a lengthy review algebra and geometry in what is supposed to be a college level math class like IB HL AA that is equivalent to university calculus.

My spouse went to school in Europe, and they did integrated math. They were confused when we went over the math pathway here in the US for our kids.

Do you have a kid who did HL math? I'm guessing not. Do you think HL math has 2x + x2 algebraic type problems? LOL

https://www.ibo.org/globalassets/new-structure/recognition/pdfs/curric-alignment-switzerland-en.pdf

https://www.ibo.org/globalassets/new-structure/recognition/pdfs/dp-sweden-final-report.pdf
HL math is more aligned to European math pathways given that IB is a European organization.

The links you provided do not describe the syllabus of the IB classes. For the IB HL Analysis look here, page 61 for calculus standards.

https://holyheart.ca/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/Mathematics-Analysis-and-Approaches-Guide-first-assessment-2021.pdf

There are no BC specific topics parametric calculus, the series portion is very weak.

Unfortunately in IB Analysis they do teach the likes of 2x+x2, check page 39, standards SL 2.6 and 2.7, related to the quadratic equations.

Needless to say no AP class is covering those topics which honestly should be understood in depth at that point.

The link I provided addresses ^PPs post about math path in European schools.

AP classes cover those classes, sure, I don't think people are debating that. But, IB HL math path can be pretty rigorous, too. In MCPS, IB math includes AP BC calc, so those students get both types of rigorous math courses.

Also, pg 39 is SL, math no HL, and is showing you an example, and also note that in IB math you are expected to know how to apply the math (see Connections).

What’s the point of taking Calculus BC with 148 instruction hours, then follow with IB HL Analysis with Calculus covering 28 hours of SL content and 27 hours of HL? Not sure why you don’t way to count the SL topics.

I get there are other areas in IB HL from precalculus, geometry and algebra, but for the student that knows that content well, he’s wasting one year of math just to get the IB diploma.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:According to this curriculum overview (subject briefs), Analysis HL has 55 hours of calculus, and Applications HL has 41 hours.

https://www.ibo.org/programmes/diploma-programme/curriculum/mathematics/

I’m surprised by how little instruction time IB classes have.

AP Calculus BC is 148 instruction hours.

https://apcentral.collegeboard.org/media/pdf/ap-calculus-bc-planning-pacing-guide-dover-2015.pdf

Its truly shocking how bad IB is.

But the difference is that AP Calc BC is just teaching Calculus. AA HL is teaching calculus plus statistics and other foundational math, and requires 240 instruction hours.

That’s why the integrated approach for advanced math classes sucks, and nobody else does it.

In two years of IB HL Analysis you’d do 55 hours of calculus and 33 hours of statistics. The rest is not advanced topics, it’s “foundational” concepts from precalculus, algebra and geometry that frankly should be mastered already.

Taking the AP route of Calculus BC and AP Statistics you get about 148 hours of instruction for each. The IB HL Analysis part of statistics only covers topics from the first half of AP Statistics, ie no sampling distributions or hypothesis testing etc.

People that plug the strength of the IB Math program should really look into it before giving advice to others. It is a bad curriculum.

? European schools do integrated math. Too many kids lack good foundational knowledge in math when they get up to higher level math.

In any case, OP's school doesn't have AP, so your post is moot.

I actually went to high school in an European country, integrated math is not as common as you claim.

Not clear to me why you need to do a lengthy review algebra and geometry in what is supposed to be a college level math class like IB HL AA that is equivalent to university calculus.

My spouse went to school in Europe, and they did integrated math. They were confused when we went over the math pathway here in the US for our kids.

Do you have a kid who did HL math? I'm guessing not. Do you think HL math has 2x + x2 algebraic type problems? LOL

https://www.ibo.org/globalassets/new-structure/recognition/pdfs/curric-alignment-switzerland-en.pdf

https://www.ibo.org/globalassets/new-structure/recognition/pdfs/dp-sweden-final-report.pdf
HL math is more aligned to European math pathways given that IB is a European organization.

The links you provided do not describe the syllabus of the IB classes. For the IB HL Analysis look here, page 61 for calculus standards.

https://holyheart.ca/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/Mathematics-Analysis-and-Approaches-Guide-first-assessment-2021.pdf

There are no BC specific topics parametric calculus, the series portion is very weak.

Unfortunately in IB Analysis they do teach the likes of 2x+x2, check page 39, standards SL 2.6 and 2.7, related to the quadratic equations.

Needless to say no AP class is covering those topics which honestly should be understood in depth at that point.

The link I provided addresses ^PPs post about math path in European schools.

AP classes cover those classes, sure, I don't think people are debating that. But, IB HL math path can be pretty rigorous, too. In MCPS, IB math includes AP BC calc, so those students get both types of rigorous math courses.

Also, pg 39 is SL, math no HL, and is showing you an example, and also note that in IB math you are expected to know how to apply the math (see Connections).

What’s the point of taking Calculus BC with 148 instruction hours, then follow with IB HL Analysis with Calculus covering 28 hours of SL content and 27 hours of HL? Not sure why you don’t way to count the SL topics.

I get there are other areas in IB HL from precalculus, geometry and algebra, but for the student that knows that content well, he’s wasting one year of math just to get the IB diploma.

There isn’t!

Ignore the noise of about “well rounded”, “great preparation for college”, “IB diploma means something”, “learning how to write”, “international perspective”, fake admissions statistics etc.

If you’re a strong student pick an SMCS magnet instead of the IB hocus pocus. Take the strong STEM curriculum along with English, foreign language and humanities one of each every year, and you’ll do much better come college admissions time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP, I teach math at an IB school.

You need junior and senior year to be IB years. You cannot start IB until you have finished algebra 2. If your child is dead set on the IB diploma, they either need to take geometry over the summer, or get permission to double up on geometry and algebra 2 as a sophomore.

In very, very unique cases (IB diploma candidate, strong academic history) we have allowed kids to skip applications year 1 and jump into year 2 SL, but it's not great.

OP here. Thanks to you and a PP as this is precisely the sort of feedback that I’ve been seeking. DC fully intended to take Geometry over the summer as we figured Algebra 2 would be necessary prior to IB math and did not want to be blindsided a year from now.

By the way, is the Algebra 2 prerequisite applicable to Math AA only or also Math AI? I’m frankly surprised that she was allowed on the Pre-IB track if the latter is also not an option the first year of IB.

Thanks again for your response.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP, I teach math at an IB school.

You need junior and senior year to be IB years. You cannot start IB until you have finished algebra 2. If your child is dead set on the IB diploma, they either need to take geometry over the summer, or get permission to double up on geometry and algebra 2 as a sophomore.

In very, very unique cases (IB diploma candidate, strong academic history) we have allowed kids to skip applications year 1 and jump into year 2 SL, but it's not great.

Wondering if anyone can clarify something for me.

There are 180 school days per year and assuming there’s one hour class per subject each day, you’d end up with 180 hours of instruction time, which is typical for high school classes, but for IB it’s only 120 hours per class. Is it because there are more classes, making room for TOK, EE, CAS? Tried to look it up but couldn’t find a good answer.

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Anonymous wrote:According to this curriculum overview (subject briefs), Analysis HL has 55 hours of calculus, and Applications HL has 41 hours.

https://www.ibo.org/programmes/diploma-programme/curriculum/mathematics/

I’m surprised by how little instruction time IB classes have.

AP Calculus BC is 148 instruction hours.

https://apcentral.collegeboard.org/media/pdf/ap-calculus-bc-planning-pacing-guide-dover-2015.pdf

Its truly shocking how bad IB is.

But the difference is that AP Calc BC is just teaching Calculus. AA HL is teaching calculus plus statistics and other foundational math, and requires 240 instruction hours.

That’s why the integrated approach for advanced math classes sucks, and nobody else does it.

In two years of IB HL Analysis you’d do 55 hours of calculus and 33 hours of statistics. The rest is not advanced topics, it’s “foundational” concepts from precalculus, algebra and geometry that frankly should be mastered already.

Taking the AP route of Calculus BC and AP Statistics you get about 148 hours of instruction for each. The IB HL Analysis part of statistics only covers topics from the first half of AP Statistics, ie no sampling distributions or hypothesis testing etc.

People that plug the strength of the IB Math program should really look into it before giving advice to others. It is a bad curriculum.

? European schools do integrated math. Too many kids lack good foundational knowledge in math when they get up to higher level math.

In any case, OP's school doesn't have AP, so your post is moot.

I actually went to high school in an European country, integrated math is not as common as you claim.

Not clear to me why you need to do a lengthy review algebra and geometry in what is supposed to be a college level math class like IB HL AA that is equivalent to university calculus.

My spouse went to school in Europe, and they did integrated math. They were confused when we went over the math pathway here in the US for our kids.

Do you have a kid who did HL math? I'm guessing not. Do you think HL math has 2x + x2 algebraic type problems? LOL

https://www.ibo.org/globalassets/new-structure/recognition/pdfs/curric-alignment-switzerland-en.pdf

https://www.ibo.org/globalassets/new-structure/recognition/pdfs/dp-sweden-final-report.pdf
HL math is more aligned to European math pathways given that IB is a European organization.

The links you provided do not describe the syllabus of the IB classes. For the IB HL Analysis look here, page 61 for calculus standards.

https://holyheart.ca/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/Mathematics-Analysis-and-Approaches-Guide-first-assessment-2021.pdf

There are no BC specific topics parametric calculus, the series portion is very weak.

Unfortunately in IB Analysis they do teach the likes of 2x+x2, check page 39, standards SL 2.6 and 2.7, related to the quadratic equations.

Needless to say no AP class is covering those topics which honestly should be understood in depth at that point.

The link I provided addresses ^PPs post about math path in European schools.

AP classes cover those classes, sure, I don't think people are debating that. But, IB HL math path can be pretty rigorous, too. In MCPS, IB math includes AP BC calc, so those students get both types of rigorous math courses.

Also, pg 39 is SL, math no HL, and is showing you an example, and also note that in IB math you are expected to know how to apply the math (see Connections).

What’s the point of taking Calculus BC with 148 instruction hours, then follow with IB HL Analysis with Calculus covering 28 hours of SL content and 27 hours of HL? Not sure why you don’t way to count the SL topics.

I get there are other areas in IB HL from precalculus, geometry and algebra, but for the student that knows that content well, he’s wasting one year of math just to get the IB diploma.

The point of IB is a well rounded education. So, yea, if you *only* want STEM, don't do IB, especially if you hate writing.

Most schools don't have MVC or above.

DC is doing great as a math major with an IBDP.

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Anonymous wrote:According to this curriculum overview (subject briefs), Analysis HL has 55 hours of calculus, and Applications HL has 41 hours.

https://www.ibo.org/programmes/diploma-programme/curriculum/mathematics/

I’m surprised by how little instruction time IB classes have.

AP Calculus BC is 148 instruction hours.

https://apcentral.collegeboard.org/media/pdf/ap-calculus-bc-planning-pacing-guide-dover-2015.pdf

Its truly shocking how bad IB is.

But the difference is that AP Calc BC is just teaching Calculus. AA HL is teaching calculus plus statistics and other foundational math, and requires 240 instruction hours.

That’s why the integrated approach for advanced math classes sucks, and nobody else does it.

In two years of IB HL Analysis you’d do 55 hours of calculus and 33 hours of statistics. The rest is not advanced topics, it’s “foundational” concepts from precalculus, algebra and geometry that frankly should be mastered already.

Taking the AP route of Calculus BC and AP Statistics you get about 148 hours of instruction for each. The IB HL Analysis part of statistics only covers topics from the first half of AP Statistics, ie no sampling distributions or hypothesis testing etc.

People that plug the strength of the IB Math program should really look into it before giving advice to others. It is a bad curriculum.

? European schools do integrated math. Too many kids lack good foundational knowledge in math when they get up to higher level math.

In any case, OP's school doesn't have AP, so your post is moot.

I actually went to high school in an European country, integrated math is not as common as you claim.

Not clear to me why you need to do a lengthy review algebra and geometry in what is supposed to be a college level math class like IB HL AA that is equivalent to university calculus.

My spouse went to school in Europe, and they did integrated math. They were confused when we went over the math pathway here in the US for our kids.

Do you have a kid who did HL math? I'm guessing not. Do you think HL math has 2x + x2 algebraic type problems? LOL

https://www.ibo.org/globalassets/new-structure/recognition/pdfs/curric-alignment-switzerland-en.pdf

https://www.ibo.org/globalassets/new-structure/recognition/pdfs/dp-sweden-final-report.pdf
HL math is more aligned to European math pathways given that IB is a European organization.

The links you provided do not describe the syllabus of the IB classes. For the IB HL Analysis look here, page 61 for calculus standards.

https://holyheart.ca/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/Mathematics-Analysis-and-Approaches-Guide-first-assessment-2021.pdf

There are no BC specific topics parametric calculus, the series portion is very weak.

Unfortunately in IB Analysis they do teach the likes of 2x+x2, check page 39, standards SL 2.6 and 2.7, related to the quadratic equations.

Needless to say no AP class is covering those topics which honestly should be understood in depth at that point.

The link I provided addresses ^PPs post about math path in European schools.

AP classes cover those classes, sure, I don't think people are debating that. But, IB HL math path can be pretty rigorous, too. In MCPS, IB math includes AP BC calc, so those students get both types of rigorous math courses.

Also, pg 39 is SL, math no HL, and is showing you an example, and also note that in IB math you are expected to know how to apply the math (see Connections).

What’s the point of taking Calculus BC with 148 instruction hours, then follow with IB HL Analysis with Calculus covering 28 hours of SL content and 27 hours of HL? Not sure why you don’t way to count the SL topics.

I get there are other areas in IB HL from precalculus, geometry and algebra, but for the student that knows that content well, he’s wasting one year of math just to get the IB diploma.

The point of IB is a well rounded education. So, yea, if you *only* want STEM, don't do IB, especially if you hate writing.

Most schools don't have MVC or above.

DC is doing great as a math major with an IBDP.

The question was why take Calc BC then IB HL, when it’s a repeat of prior coursework.

Congrats to your DC, not sure what else to say, hope he does well. I just don’t follow how BC to IB HL contributes to a well rounded education.

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Anonymous wrote:According to this curriculum overview (subject briefs), Analysis HL has 55 hours of calculus, and Applications HL has 41 hours.

https://www.ibo.org/programmes/diploma-programme/curriculum/mathematics/

I’m surprised by how little instruction time IB classes have.

AP Calculus BC is 148 instruction hours.

https://apcentral.collegeboard.org/media/pdf/ap-calculus-bc-planning-pacing-guide-dover-2015.pdf

Its truly shocking how bad IB is.

But the difference is that AP Calc BC is just teaching Calculus. AA HL is teaching calculus plus statistics and other foundational math, and requires 240 instruction hours.

That’s why the integrated approach for advanced math classes sucks, and nobody else does it.

In two years of IB HL Analysis you’d do 55 hours of calculus and 33 hours of statistics. The rest is not advanced topics, it’s “foundational” concepts from precalculus, algebra and geometry that frankly should be mastered already.

Taking the AP route of Calculus BC and AP Statistics you get about 148 hours of instruction for each. The IB HL Analysis part of statistics only covers topics from the first half of AP Statistics, ie no sampling distributions or hypothesis testing etc.

People that plug the strength of the IB Math program should really look into it before giving advice to others. It is a bad curriculum.

? European schools do integrated math. Too many kids lack good foundational knowledge in math when they get up to higher level math.

In any case, OP's school doesn't have AP, so your post is moot.

I actually went to high school in an European country, integrated math is not as common as you claim.

Not clear to me why you need to do a lengthy review algebra and geometry in what is supposed to be a college level math class like IB HL AA that is equivalent to university calculus.

My spouse went to school in Europe, and they did integrated math. They were confused when we went over the math pathway here in the US for our kids.

Do you have a kid who did HL math? I'm guessing not. Do you think HL math has 2x + x2 algebraic type problems? LOL

https://www.ibo.org/globalassets/new-structure/recognition/pdfs/curric-alignment-switzerland-en.pdf

https://www.ibo.org/globalassets/new-structure/recognition/pdfs/dp-sweden-final-report.pdf
HL math is more aligned to European math pathways given that IB is a European organization.

The links you provided do not describe the syllabus of the IB classes. For the IB HL Analysis look here, page 61 for calculus standards.

https://holyheart.ca/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/Mathematics-Analysis-and-Approaches-Guide-first-assessment-2021.pdf

There are no BC specific topics parametric calculus, the series portion is very weak.

Unfortunately in IB Analysis they do teach the likes of 2x+x2, check page 39, standards SL 2.6 and 2.7, related to the quadratic equations.

Needless to say no AP class is covering those topics which honestly should be understood in depth at that point.

The link I provided addresses ^PPs post about math path in European schools.

AP classes cover those classes, sure, I don't think people are debating that. But, IB HL math path can be pretty rigorous, too. In MCPS, IB math includes AP BC calc, so those students get both types of rigorous math courses.

Also, pg 39 is SL, math no HL, and is showing you an example, and also note that in IB math you are expected to know how to apply the math (see Connections).

What’s the point of taking Calculus BC with 148 instruction hours, then follow with IB HL Analysis with Calculus covering 28 hours of SL content and 27 hours of HL? Not sure why you don’t way to count the SL topics.

I get there are other areas in IB HL from precalculus, geometry and algebra, but for the student that knows that content well, he’s wasting one year of math just to get the IB diploma.

The point of IB is a well rounded education. So, yea, if you *only* want STEM, don't do IB, especially if you hate writing.

Most schools don't have MVC or above.

DC is doing great as a math major with an IBDP.

The question was why take Calc BC then IB HL, when it’s a repeat of prior coursework.

Congrats to your DC, not sure what else to say, hope he does well. I just don’t follow how BC to IB HL contributes to a well rounded education.

Not OP, but in some schools it’s just a way to get in Calc BC plus the IB sequence for the diploma. IB has very rigid rules on when courses and exams can be taken.