MAP-M - what's on the test?

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Anonymous wrote:thank you! this is helpful, but only goes to 220 or something. what do difficult questions look like?

There are no difficult questions on the MAP. It is a test of basic grade level math. There are higher grade level questions on the MAP.

Be aware that level 220 material means "if you get half of these questions correct, you'll get a score of 220".

It's the same as main math content through Algebra 2 / Integrated Math 3(including statistics modules)

230+ is prealgrebra
235+ is algebra 1
245+ is high school geometry
~255+ is algebra 2

Your score is the level where you get 50% correct.
So if you know 100% of algebra and 50% of Algebra 2, you'll get a score around 260.


https://www.khanacademy.org/math

Where did you get those numbers from? My kid got 270 at the start of 6th and not only is unfamiliar with algebra 2, but certainly doesn’t know all of algebra 1, or likely, any geometry.

On the 6-8 MAP-M, MCPS uses 250 as a benchmark for being Algebra ready. 275 indicates a solid grasp of Algebra. 285 indicates a solid grasp of geometry and 300 for Algebra 2. You see problems involving polynomials and trig in the 290s. The test used for grades 2-5 is different and honestly Khan Academy ceases to function well over about 225.

Maybe they use those scores as benchmarks for students/families seeking to skip grades?

From the most recent norms on a national scale, a median student at the end of 10th grade scores 232. Geometry would be the baseline course for that grade, "ready" for Algebra 2 in the next, though one certainly could debate whether US math education results in true readiness. 250 would be 80th percentile. Though the content of MAP is related to common core, a portion of the student scores filtering into the norms presumably would come from those in a grade taking a more advanced track. 300 is above the 99th percentile mark for the end of 12th grade (291).

Is there an NWEA article or the like to which you could point us that suggests those readiness standards/content mappings to RIT score ranges, or do you think, perhaps, that MCPS arrived at their own standards independently?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:thank you! this is helpful, but only goes to 220 or something. what do difficult questions look like?

There are no difficult questions on the MAP. It is a test of basic grade level math. There are higher grade level questions on the MAP.

Be aware that level 220 material means "if you get half of these questions correct, you'll get a score of 220".

It's the same as main math content through Algebra 2 / Integrated Math 3(including statistics modules)

230+ is prealgrebra
235+ is algebra 1
245+ is high school geometry
~255+ is algebra 2

Your score is the level where you get 50% correct.
So if you know 100% of algebra and 50% of Algebra 2, you'll get a score around 260.


https://www.khanacademy.org/math

Where did you get those numbers from? My kid got 270 at the start of 6th and not only is unfamiliar with algebra 2, but certainly doesn’t know all of algebra 1, or likely, any geometry.

Are the 4 subscores the same or unbalanced?

Are you sure your kid doesn't know any? Basic geometry ramps up through elementary school. Talented kids can work out higher level problems using their intuition, if they have had exposure to the symbols or get word problems. Most of the data&statistics topics can be solved totally intuitively as long as you know arithmetic. The 50% "RIT" standard is 50% of the content of the basic non-honors curriculum, which includes review and respin of earlier year content.

Also, due to the "50%" logic, if your kid knows 100% of something and 0% of something else, the scoring algorithm can get confused trying to give a final rating.

The sub scores are usually relatively balanced when I’ve seen them. The MAP report doesn’t give the sub scores only “extremely high” or something like that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:thank you! this is helpful, but only goes to 220 or something. what do difficult questions look like?

There are no difficult questions on the MAP. It is a test of basic grade level math. There are higher grade level questions on the MAP.

Be aware that level 220 material means "if you get half of these questions correct, you'll get a score of 220".

It's the same as main math content through Algebra 2 / Integrated Math 3(including statistics modules)

230+ is prealgrebra
235+ is algebra 1
245+ is high school geometry
~255+ is algebra 2

Your score is the level where you get 50% correct.
So if you know 100% of algebra and 50% of Algebra 2, you'll get a score around 260.


https://www.khanacademy.org/math

Where did you get those numbers from? My kid got 270 at the start of 6th and not only is unfamiliar with algebra 2, but certainly doesn’t know all of algebra 1, or likely, any geometry.

On the 6-8 MAP-M, MCPS uses 250 as a benchmark for being Algebra ready. 275 indicates a solid grasp of Algebra. 285 indicates a solid grasp of geometry and 300 for Algebra 2. You see problems involving polynomials and trig in the 290s. The test used for grades 2-5 is different and honestly Khan Academy ceases to function well over about 225.

Well that makes more sense, thanks.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:thank you! this is helpful, but only goes to 220 or something. what do difficult questions look like?

There are no difficult questions on the MAP. It is a test of basic grade level math. There are higher grade level questions on the MAP.

Be aware that level 220 material means "if you get half of these questions correct, you'll get a score of 220".

It's the same as main math content through Algebra 2 / Integrated Math 3(including statistics modules)

230+ is prealgrebra
235+ is algebra 1
245+ is high school geometry
~255+ is algebra 2

Your score is the level where you get 50% correct.
So if you know 100% of algebra and 50% of Algebra 2, you'll get a score around 260.


https://www.khanacademy.org/math

Where did you get those numbers from? My kid got 270 at the start of 6th and not only is unfamiliar with algebra 2, but certainly doesn’t know all of algebra 1, or likely, any geometry.

Are the 4 subscores the same or unbalanced?

Are you sure your kid doesn't know any? Basic geometry ramps up through elementary school. Talented kids can work out higher level problems using their intuition, if they have had exposure to the symbols or get word problems. Most of the data&statistics topics can be solved totally intuitively as long as you know arithmetic. The 50% "RIT" standard is 50% of the content of the basic non-honors curriculum, which includes review and respin of earlier year content.

Also, due to the "50%" logic, if your kid knows 100% of something and 0% of something else, the scoring algorithm can get confused trying to give a final rating.

The sub scores are usually relatively balanced when I’ve seen them. The MAP report doesn’t give the sub scores only “extremely high” or something like that.

The teacher/admin can see the subscores and can forward you that report, if desired. There's a brief that just shows the subscores and a full report that contains specific content suggestions/teaching objectives. I'm not sure if they are allowed (by NWEA, which produces MAP) to disseminate the latter, but I've seen it.

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235 is readiness if or algebra, not 250.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:thank you! this is helpful, but only goes to 220 or something. what do difficult questions look like?

There are no difficult questions on the MAP. It is a test of basic grade level math. There are higher grade level questions on the MAP.

Be aware that level 220 material means "if you get half of these questions correct, you'll get a score of 220".

It's the same as main math content through Algebra 2 / Integrated Math 3(including statistics modules)

230+ is prealgrebra
235+ is algebra 1
245+ is high school geometry
~255+ is algebra 2

Your score is the level where you get 50% correct.
So if you know 100% of algebra and 50% of Algebra 2, you'll get a score around 260.


https://www.khanacademy.org/math

Where did you get those numbers from? My kid got 270 at the start of 6th and not only is unfamiliar with algebra 2, but certainly doesn’t know all of algebra 1, or likely, any geometry.

Are the 4 subscores the same or unbalanced?

Are you sure your kid doesn't know any? Basic geometry ramps up through elementary school. Talented kids can work out higher level problems using their intuition, if they have had exposure to the symbols or get word problems. Most of the data&statistics topics can be solved totally intuitively as long as you know arithmetic. The 50% "RIT" standard is 50% of the content of the basic non-honors curriculum, which includes review and respin of earlier year content.

Also, due to the "50%" logic, if your kid knows 100% of something and 0% of something else, the scoring algorithm can get confused trying to give a final rating.

The sub scores are usually relatively balanced when I’ve seen them. The MAP report doesn’t give the sub scores only “extremely high” or something like that.

The teacher/admin can see the subscores and can forward you that report, if desired. There's a brief that just shows the subscores and a full report that contains specific content suggestions/teaching objectives. I'm not sure if they are allowed (by NWEA, which produces MAP) to disseminate the latter, but I've seen it.

I’m the PP and I’ve seen those in the past and they are not helpful as they essentially say “very high” for everything and do not differentiate or identify any weakness (to the extent that there are weaknesses at 99th percentile +)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:235 is readiness if or algebra, not 250.

235 is used in some school districts. MCPS is fuzzier and principal-specific.

Sending a 235 to an accelerated/honors track
Algebra 1 class is a terrible idea.

250 is a good minimum, but could run into trouble 3-5 years later if the student can't keep up but still needs to take more math classes before graduation. The younger the student, the higher their score should be before launching into Algebra.

[Anonymous]

MAP _scores_ are not useful, but are unfortunately used for gating access to magnet and pre-algebra or algebra class, instead of a proper aptitude or summative test.

The detailed skill reports that teachers get are partly useful.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:thank you! this is helpful, but only goes to 220 or something. what do difficult questions look like?

There are no difficult questions on the MAP. It is a test of basic grade level math. There are higher grade level questions on the MAP.

Be aware that level 220 material means "if you get half of these questions correct, you'll get a score of 220".

It's the same as main math content through Algebra 2 / Integrated Math 3(including statistics modules)

230+ is prealgrebra
235+ is algebra 1
245+ is high school geometry
~255+ is algebra 2

Your score is the level where you get 50% correct.
So if you know 100% of algebra and 50% of Algebra 2, you'll get a score around 260.


https://www.khanacademy.org/math

Where did you get those numbers from? My kid got 270 at the start of 6th and not only is unfamiliar with algebra 2, but certainly doesn’t know all of algebra 1, or likely, any geometry.

On the 6-8 MAP-M, MCPS uses 250 as a benchmark for being Algebra ready. 275 indicates a solid grasp of Algebra. 285 indicates a solid grasp of geometry and 300 for Algebra 2. You see problems involving polynomials and trig in the 290s. The test used for grades 2-5 is different and honestly Khan Academy ceases to function well over about 225.

It's 6+ not 6-8, but those score levels track kids I know. Error bars are large, though, as kids don't learn math in the exact order MAP-M lays out. +/- 10pts

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Anonymous wrote:thank you! this is helpful, but only goes to 220 or something. what do difficult questions look like?

There are no difficult questions on the MAP. It is a test of basic grade level math. There are higher grade level questions on the MAP.

Be aware that level 220 material means "if you get half of these questions correct, you'll get a score of 220".

It's the same as main math content through Algebra 2 / Integrated Math 3(including statistics modules)

230+ is prealgrebra
235+ is algebra 1
245+ is high school geometry
~255+ is algebra 2

Your score is the level where you get 50% correct.
So if you know 100% of algebra and 50% of Algebra 2, you'll get a score around 260.


https://www.khanacademy.org/math

Where did you get those numbers from? My kid got 270 at the start of 6th and not only is unfamiliar with algebra 2, but certainly doesn’t know all of algebra 1, or likely, any geometry.

Are the 4 subscores the same or unbalanced?

Are you sure your kid doesn't know any? Basic geometry ramps up through elementary school. Talented kids can work out higher level problems using their intuition, if they have had exposure to the symbols or get word problems. Most of the data&statistics topics can be solved totally intuitively as long as you know arithmetic. The 50% "RIT" standard is 50% of the content of the basic non-honors curriculum, which includes review and respin of earlier year content.

Also, due to the "50%" logic, if your kid knows 100% of something and 0% of something else, the scoring algorithm can get confused trying to give a final rating.

The sub scores are usually relatively balanced when I’ve seen them. The MAP report doesn’t give the sub scores only “extremely high” or something like that.

The teacher/admin can see the subscores and can forward you that report, if desired. There's a brief that just shows the subscores and a full report that contains specific content suggestions/teaching objectives. I'm not sure if they are allowed (by NWEA, which produces MAP) to disseminate the latter, but I've seen it.

I’m the PP and I’ve seen those in the past and they are not helpful as they essentially say “very high” for everything and do not differentiate or identify any weakness (to the extent that there are weaknesses at 99th percentile +)

The detailed report actually does go into that. Unfortunately, teachers rarely if ever share it.

[Anonymous]

Is there a different MAP test once kids are in algebra? Or do they keep taking the 6+ test?

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:thank you! this is helpful, but only goes to 220 or something. what do difficult questions look like?

There are no difficult questions on the MAP. It is a test of basic grade level math. There are higher grade level questions on the MAP.

Be aware that level 220 material means "if you get half of these questions correct, you'll get a score of 220".

It's the same as main math content through Algebra 2 / Integrated Math 3(including statistics modules)

230+ is prealgrebra
235+ is algebra 1
245+ is high school geometry
~255+ is algebra 2

Your score is the level where you get 50% correct.
So if you know 100% of algebra and 50% of Algebra 2, you'll get a score around 260.


https://www.khanacademy.org/math

Where did you get those numbers from? My kid got 270 at the start of 6th and not only is unfamiliar with algebra 2, but certainly doesn’t know all of algebra 1, or likely, any geometry.

Are the 4 subscores the same or unbalanced?

Are you sure your kid doesn't know any? Basic geometry ramps up through elementary school. Talented kids can work out higher level problems using their intuition, if they have had exposure to the symbols or get word problems. Most of the data&statistics topics can be solved totally intuitively as long as you know arithmetic. The 50% "RIT" standard is 50% of the content of the basic non-honors curriculum, which includes review and respin of earlier year content.

Also, due to the "50%" logic, if your kid knows 100% of something and 0% of something else, the scoring algorithm can get confused trying to give a final rating.

The sub scores are usually relatively balanced when I’ve seen them. The MAP report doesn’t give the sub scores only “extremely high” or something like that.

The teacher/admin can see the subscores and can forward you that report, if desired. There's a brief that just shows the subscores and a full report that contains specific content suggestions/teaching objectives. I'm not sure if they are allowed (by NWEA, which produces MAP) to disseminate the latter, but I've seen it.

I’m the PP and I’ve seen those in the past and they are not helpful as they essentially say “very high” for everything and do not differentiate or identify any weakness (to the extent that there are weaknesses at 99th percentile +)

The detailed report actually does go into that. Unfortunately, teachers rarely if ever share it.

Again, I have received the detailed report in the past. There is not enough difference between high scores in all areas to provide anything meaningful. In fact, if I recall correctly, the sections for “areas to focus on” were blank. Remember this is god a score about 30 points above 99th percentile I believe.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:thank you! this is helpful, but only goes to 220 or something. what do difficult questions look like?

There are no difficult questions on the MAP. It is a test of basic grade level math. There are higher grade level questions on the MAP.

Be aware that level 220 material means "if you get half of these questions correct, you'll get a score of 220".

It's the same as main math content through Algebra 2 / Integrated Math 3(including statistics modules)

230+ is prealgrebra
235+ is algebra 1
245+ is high school geometry
~255+ is algebra 2

Your score is the level where you get 50% correct.
So if you know 100% of algebra and 50% of Algebra 2, you'll get a score around 260.


https://www.khanacademy.org/math

Where did you get those numbers from? My kid got 270 at the start of 6th and not only is unfamiliar with algebra 2, but certainly doesn’t know all of algebra 1, or likely, any geometry.

Are the 4 subscores the same or unbalanced?

Are you sure your kid doesn't know any? Basic geometry ramps up through elementary school. Talented kids can work out higher level problems using their intuition, if they have had exposure to the symbols or get word problems. Most of the data&statistics topics can be solved totally intuitively as long as you know arithmetic. The 50% "RIT" standard is 50% of the content of the basic non-honors curriculum, which includes review and respin of earlier year content.

Also, due to the "50%" logic, if your kid knows 100% of something and 0% of something else, the scoring algorithm can get confused trying to give a final rating.

The sub scores are usually relatively balanced when I’ve seen them. The MAP report doesn’t give the sub scores only “extremely high” or something like that.

The teacher/admin can see the subscores and can forward you that report, if desired. There's a brief that just shows the subscores and a full report that contains specific content suggestions/teaching objectives. I'm not sure if they are allowed (by NWEA, which produces MAP) to disseminate the latter, but I've seen it.

I’m the PP and I’ve seen those in the past and they are not helpful as they essentially say “very high” for everything and do not differentiate or identify any weakness (to the extent that there are weaknesses at 99th percentile +)

The detailed report actually does go into that. Unfortunately, teachers rarely if ever share it.

Again, I have received the detailed report in the past. There is not enough difference between high scores in all areas to provide anything meaningful. In fact, if I recall correctly, the sections for “areas to focus on” were blank. Remember this is god a score about 30 points above 99th percentile I believe.

not sure what you expect there. the test doesn't have the resolution to provide you with extra fine grained insight.

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Anonymous wrote:thank you! this is helpful, but only goes to 220 or something. what do difficult questions look like?

There are no difficult questions on the MAP. It is a test of basic grade level math. There are higher grade level questions on the MAP.

Be aware that level 220 material means "if you get half of these questions correct, you'll get a score of 220".

It's the same as main math content through Algebra 2 / Integrated Math 3(including statistics modules)

230+ is prealgrebra
235+ is algebra 1
245+ is high school geometry
~255+ is algebra 2

Your score is the level where you get 50% correct.
So if you know 100% of algebra and 50% of Algebra 2, you'll get a score around 260.


https://www.khanacademy.org/math

Where did you get those numbers from? My kid got 270 at the start of 6th and not only is unfamiliar with algebra 2, but certainly doesn’t know all of algebra 1, or likely, any geometry.

Are the 4 subscores the same or unbalanced?

Are you sure your kid doesn't know any? Basic geometry ramps up through elementary school. Talented kids can work out higher level problems using their intuition, if they have had exposure to the symbols or get word problems. Most of the data&statistics topics can be solved totally intuitively as long as you know arithmetic. The 50% "RIT" standard is 50% of the content of the basic non-honors curriculum, which includes review and respin of earlier year content.

Also, due to the "50%" logic, if your kid knows 100% of something and 0% of something else, the scoring algorithm can get confused trying to give a final rating.

The sub scores are usually relatively balanced when I’ve seen them. The MAP report doesn’t give the sub scores only “extremely high” or something like that.

The teacher/admin can see the subscores and can forward you that report, if desired. There's a brief that just shows the subscores and a full report that contains specific content suggestions/teaching objectives. I'm not sure if they are allowed (by NWEA, which produces MAP) to disseminate the latter, but I've seen it.

I’m the PP and I’ve seen those in the past and they are not helpful as they essentially say “very high” for everything and do not differentiate or identify any weakness (to the extent that there are weaknesses at 99th percentile +)

The detailed report actually does go into that. Unfortunately, teachers rarely if ever share it.

Again, I have received the detailed report in the past. There is not enough difference between high scores in all areas to provide anything meaningful. In fact, if I recall correctly, the sections for “areas to focus on” were blank. Remember this is god a score about 30 points above 99th percentile I believe.

Riggt, because there isn't anything the student needs on that grade level. The level that the teacher pulling the report might provide.

You can accept that or, after a pattern is established and other enrichments have proven below the student, ask for grade advancement. That comes with its own challenges, which would be among the reasons to consider refraining from prep (those true outliers on the ability front might well.show without it), if only MCPS would stop using exposure-based assessmemts as a gatekeeping mechanism.

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Anonymous wrote:thank you! this is helpful, but only goes to 220 or something. what do difficult questions look like?

There are no difficult questions on the MAP. It is a test of basic grade level math. There are higher grade level questions on the MAP.

Be aware that level 220 material means "if you get half of these questions correct, you'll get a score of 220".

It's the same as main math content through Algebra 2 / Integrated Math 3(including statistics modules)

230+ is prealgrebra
235+ is algebra 1
245+ is high school geometry
~255+ is algebra 2

Your score is the level where you get 50% correct.
So if you know 100% of algebra and 50% of Algebra 2, you'll get a score around 260.


https://www.khanacademy.org/math

Where did you get those numbers from? My kid got 270 at the start of 6th and not only is unfamiliar with algebra 2, but certainly doesn’t know all of algebra 1, or likely, any geometry.

On the 6-8 MAP-M, MCPS uses 250 as a benchmark for being Algebra ready. 275 indicates a solid grasp of Algebra. 285 indicates a solid grasp of geometry and 300 for Algebra 2. You see problems involving polynomials and trig in the 290s. The test used for grades 2-5 is different and honestly Khan Academy ceases to function well over about 225.

Maybe they use those scores as benchmarks for students/families seeking to skip grades?

From the most recent norms on a national scale, a median student at the end of 10th grade scores 232. Geometry would be the baseline course for that grade, "ready" for Algebra 2 in the next, though one certainly could debate whether US math education results in true readiness. 250 would be 80th percentile. Though the content of MAP is related to common core, a portion of the student scores filtering into the norms presumably would come from those in a grade taking a more advanced track. 300 is above the 99th percentile mark for the end of 12th grade (291).

Is there an NWEA article or the like to which you could point us that suggests those readiness standards/content mappings to RIT score ranges, or do you think, perhaps, that MCPS arrived at their own standards independently?

Sadly not everyone masters Algebra let alone Algebra 2.