Proposed VA law will punish the victims of crime

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Anonymous wrote:I hope this law can be used to jail as many gun nutters as possible. I’m gleeful at the thought of them going to prison and getting sodomized in the shower every day because just had to have their penile substitute on display for the world to see. Better pack your soap-on-a-rope, ammosexuals! Big Bubba is waiting for you in the shower.

Reading is hard, gun owner does not go to jail. They receive a fine, which can be arbitrarily accessed, since they would be unable to prove a negative, gun was not stored in the open.

Gun owners should be responsible, but Virginia CHP holders are a law abiding group. So running into the post office or some other “sensitive” place requires them to leave their weapons somewhere (their car). Should be far less sensitive places to remove their need to leave a gun in a car.

If you leave your gun unsecured in a car you are not a law abiding citizen. It’s that simple.

What if the gun is locked inside a box/safe/container inside the car?

Because there ARE places that do not permit people who are otherwise carrying a gun legally (people with permits) to carry a gun inside. If people are required by law not to carry a gun in these places, then what are they supposed to do with their gun if they also cannot leave it in their car. That seems like a Catch-22 situation.

Is is creating situations like that the *intent* of the law? Because that doesn’t seem like legislating in good faith.

Leave it at home? Why do you need it with you to run errands?

So is that the intent of the law? To intimidate/inconvenience people with legally obtained permits to catty a gun into not carrying them?

Do you think that’s a wise mindset for legislators to frame proposed laws around? Because it seems punitive and vindictive to me.

What do you think?

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Anonymous wrote:I hope this law can be used to jail as many gun nutters as possible. I’m gleeful at the thought of them going to prison and getting sodomized in the shower every day because just had to have their penile substitute on display for the world to see. Better pack your soap-on-a-rope, ammosexuals! Big Bubba is waiting for you in the shower.

Reading is hard, gun owner does not go to jail. They receive a fine, which can be arbitrarily accessed, since they would be unable to prove a negative, gun was not stored in the open.

Gun owners should be responsible, but Virginia CHP holders are a law abiding group. So running into the post office or some other “sensitive” place requires them to leave their weapons somewhere (their car). Should be far less sensitive places to remove their need to leave a gun in a car.

If you leave your gun unsecured in a car you are not a law abiding citizen. It’s that simple.

What if the gun is locked inside a box/safe/container inside the car?

Because there ARE places that do not permit people who are otherwise carrying a gun legally (people with permits) to carry a gun inside. If people are required by law not to carry a gun in these places, then what are they supposed to do with their gun if they also cannot leave it in their car. That seems like a Catch-22 situation.

Is is creating situations like that the *intent* of the law? Because that doesn’t seem like legislating in good faith.

Leave it at home? Why do you need it with you to run errands?

Because most prosecutors in the DMV practice catch a release even with violent criminals. Because when seconds matter the police are only minutes away. Because, I want to return home after running errands. Get the point.

Yes, you are paranoid and studies show you are more likely to cause an issue than prevent it. Cool.

Buy a secure lock box for your vehicle then I guess. I feel zero pity for anyone who gets cited for leaving a gun on the passenger seat.

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Anonymous wrote:I hope this law can be used to jail as many gun nutters as possible. I’m gleeful at the thought of them going to prison and getting sodomized in the shower every day because just had to have their penile substitute on display for the world to see. Better pack your soap-on-a-rope, ammosexuals! Big Bubba is waiting for you in the shower.

Reading is hard, gun owner does not go to jail. They receive a fine, which can be arbitrarily accessed, since they would be unable to prove a negative, gun was not stored in the open.

Gun owners should be responsible, but Virginia CHP holders are a law abiding group. So running into the post office or some other “sensitive” place requires them to leave their weapons somewhere (their car). Should be far less sensitive places to remove their need to leave a gun in a car.

If you leave your gun unsecured in a car you are not a law abiding citizen. It’s that simple.

What if the gun is locked inside a box/safe/container inside the car?

Because there ARE places that do not permit people who are otherwise carrying a gun legally (people with permits) to carry a gun inside. If people are required by law not to carry a gun in these places, then what are they supposed to do with their gun if they also cannot leave it in their car. That seems like a Catch-22 situation.

Is is creating situations like that the *intent* of the law? Because that doesn’t seem like legislating in good faith.

Leave it at home? Why do you need it with you to run errands?

So is that the intent of the law? To intimidate/inconvenience people with legally obtained permits to catty a gun into not carrying them?

Do you think that’s a wise mindset for legislators to frame proposed laws around? Because it seems punitive and vindictive to me.

What do you think?

I think people who refuse to grocery shop without guns in suburbia are complete idiots. I am more scared of a “good guy with a gun” misinterpreting a situation with my autistic adult child than I am of running into a bad guy with a gun.

So yes, I think overall less guns in anyone’s hands, good or bad intent, is a good thing.

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Anonymous wrote:VA democratic lawmakers pushing a bill that would fine a person if their gun was stolen while in “plain view”.

https://theautowire.com/2024/02/06/virginia-bill-punishes-gun-theft-victims/#google_vignette

"Another big question we have is how do authorities determine a gun was sitting in plain view? Do the police just kind of guess or do they assess this fine only if they don’t like a theft victim?"

This law will either be useless or used for targeted harassment.

Targeted harassment! Oh the ever persecuted gun owners. If a gun is stolen and there's no storage container around, then it was in plain view.

Well, this is pretty clearly intended persecution. The goal is to make legal ownership a hassle and risk so fewer people bother. Which is probably why you support this.

It's not supposed to make it a hassle, it's to encourage responsible gun ownership. We do this with mandatory insurance policies etc so why not responsible gun ownership?

It's a hassle to secure your gun? If you can't be responsible for your gun (or child for that matter), you shouldn't have one.

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Anonymous wrote:I hope this law can be used to jail as many gun nutters as possible. I’m gleeful at the thought of them going to prison and getting sodomized in the shower every day because just had to have their penile substitute on display for the world to see. Better pack your soap-on-a-rope, ammosexuals! Big Bubba is waiting for you in the shower.

Reading is hard, gun owner does not go to jail. They receive a fine, which can be arbitrarily accessed, since they would be unable to prove a negative, gun was not stored in the open.

Gun owners should be responsible, but Virginia CHP holders are a law abiding group. So running into the post office or some other “sensitive” place requires them to leave their weapons somewhere (their car). Should be far less sensitive places to remove their need to leave a gun in a car.

If you leave your gun unsecured in a car you are not a law abiding citizen. It’s that simple.

What if the gun is locked inside a box/safe/container inside the car?

Because there ARE places that do not permit people who are otherwise carrying a gun legally (people with permits) to carry a gun inside. If people are required by law not to carry a gun in these places, then what are they supposed to do with their gun if they also cannot leave it in their car. That seems like a Catch-22 situation.

Is is creating situations like that the *intent* of the law? Because that doesn’t seem like legislating in good faith.

Leave it at home? Why do you need it with you to run errands?

So is that the intent of the law? To intimidate/inconvenience people with legally obtained permits to catty a gun into not carrying them?

Do you think that’s a wise mindset for legislators to frame proposed laws around? Because it seems punitive and vindictive to me.

What do you think?

I think people who refuse to grocery shop without guns in suburbia are complete idiots. I am more scared of a “good guy with a gun” misinterpreting a situation with my autistic adult child than I am of running into a bad guy with a gun.

So yes, I think overall less guns in anyone’s hands, good or bad intent, is a good thing.

Has this ever happened to you? I’d like to hear more about it. Can you elaborate?

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Anonymous wrote:I hope this law can be used to jail as many gun nutters as possible. I’m gleeful at the thought of them going to prison and getting sodomized in the shower every day because just had to have their penile substitute on display for the world to see. Better pack your soap-on-a-rope, ammosexuals! Big Bubba is waiting for you in the shower.

Reading is hard, gun owner does not go to jail. They receive a fine, which can be arbitrarily accessed, since they would be unable to prove a negative, gun was not stored in the open.

Gun owners should be responsible, but Virginia CHP holders are a law abiding group. So running into the post office or some other “sensitive” place requires them to leave their weapons somewhere (their car). Should be far less sensitive places to remove their need to leave a gun in a car.

If you leave your gun unsecured in a car you are not a law abiding citizen. It’s that simple.

What if the gun is locked inside a box/safe/container inside the car?

Because there ARE places that do not permit people who are otherwise carrying a gun legally (people with permits) to carry a gun inside. If people are required by law not to carry a gun in these places, then what are they supposed to do with their gun if they also cannot leave it in their car. That seems like a Catch-22 situation.

Is is creating situations like that the *intent* of the law? Because that doesn’t seem like legislating in good faith.

Leave it at home? Why do you need it with you to run errands?

The whole point of concealed carry is you always have it on you because victims of crime don’t have the luxury of a crystal ball to determine when and where they will be attacked.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I would go further and penalize any gun owner whose gun is stolen when it wasn’t locked up.

x1 million

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Anonymous wrote:I hope this law can be used to jail as many gun nutters as possible. I’m gleeful at the thought of them going to prison and getting sodomized in the shower every day because just had to have their penile substitute on display for the world to see. Better pack your soap-on-a-rope, ammosexuals! Big Bubba is waiting for you in the shower.

Reading is hard, gun owner does not go to jail. They receive a fine, which can be arbitrarily accessed, since they would be unable to prove a negative, gun was not stored in the open.

Gun owners should be responsible, but Virginia CHP holders are a law abiding group. So running into the post office or some other “sensitive” place requires them to leave their weapons somewhere (their car). Should be far less sensitive places to remove their need to leave a gun in a car.

If you leave your gun unsecured in a car you are not a law abiding citizen. It’s that simple.

What if the gun is locked inside a box/safe/container inside the car?

Because there ARE places that do not permit people who are otherwise carrying a gun legally (people with permits) to carry a gun inside. If people are required by law not to carry a gun in these places, then what are they supposed to do with their gun if they also cannot leave it in their car. That seems like a Catch-22 situation.

Is is creating situations like that the *intent* of the law? Because that doesn’t seem like legislating in good faith.

Leave it at home? Why do you need it with you to run errands?

The whole point of concealed carry is you always have it on you because victims of crime don’t have the luxury of a crystal ball to determine when and where they will be attacked.

Not being sarcastic, it seriously must be hard to go through life constantly fearing being attacked. I’m sorry you have this anxiety.

[Anonymous]

I believe in strict liability for gun owners. If your gun is used to commit a crime or unintentionally shoot someone, the owner is liable, period.

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Anonymous wrote:I hope this law can be used to jail as many gun nutters as possible. I’m gleeful at the thought of them going to prison and getting sodomized in the shower every day because just had to have their penile substitute on display for the world to see. Better pack your soap-on-a-rope, ammosexuals! Big Bubba is waiting for you in the shower.

Reading is hard, gun owner does not go to jail. They receive a fine, which can be arbitrarily accessed, since they would be unable to prove a negative, gun was not stored in the open.

Gun owners should be responsible, but Virginia CHP holders are a law abiding group. So running into the post office or some other “sensitive” place requires them to leave their weapons somewhere (their car). Should be far less sensitive places to remove their need to leave a gun in a car.

If you leave your gun unsecured in a car you are not a law abiding citizen. It’s that simple.

What if the gun is locked inside a box/safe/container inside the car?

Because there ARE places that do not permit people who are otherwise carrying a gun legally (people with permits) to carry a gun inside. If people are required by law not to carry a gun in these places, then what are they supposed to do with their gun if they also cannot leave it in their car. That seems like a Catch-22 situation.

Is is creating situations like that the *intent* of the law? Because that doesn’t seem like legislating in good faith.

Leave it at home? Why do you need it with you to run errands?

The whole point of concealed carry is you always have it on you because victims of crime don’t have the luxury of a crystal ball to determine when and where they will be attacked.

Not being sarcastic, it seriously must be hard to go through life constantly fearing being attacked. I’m sorry you have this anxiety.

Can’t speak for all who concealed carry but it is not a fear of being attacked that drives the decision but rather the concept of being prepared. To have a tool and not need it, rather than needing a tool and not having it.

Am I aware of my surroundings, yes. Do I enjoy the day and the beautiful things around me, yes. Do I walk the streets afraid, no.

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Anonymous wrote:Good. Gun owners should be responsible for securing their guns.

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Yes how stupid is OP??

[Anonymous]

I support 2A but also support this law. People should be legally responsible for their weapons if they give them to others or leave them lying around. No brainer.

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Anonymous wrote:I support 2A but also support this law. People should be legally responsible for their weapons if they give them to others or leave them lying around. No brainer.

Aside from the gun part, the whole locked vehicle = laying around speaks volumes about our nation. There once was a time people left tons of tapes/cds scattered around unlocked cars and no one stole them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I support 2A but also support this law. People should be legally responsible for their weapons if they give them to others or leave them lying around. No brainer.

Aside from the gun part, the whole locked vehicle = laying around speaks volumes about our nation. There once was a time people left tons of tapes/cds scattered around unlocked cars and no one stole them.

I don’t think anyone breaks into a car to steal tapes or CDs. People have always broken into cars to steal $500 guns sitting on the dash.

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Anonymous wrote:I hope this law can be used to jail as many gun nutters as possible. I’m gleeful at the thought of them going to prison and getting sodomized in the shower every day because just had to have their penile substitute on display for the world to see. Better pack your soap-on-a-rope, ammosexuals! Big Bubba is waiting for you in the shower.

Reading is hard, gun owner does not go to jail. They receive a fine, which can be arbitrarily accessed, since they would be unable to prove a negative, gun was not stored in the open.

Gun owners should be responsible, but Virginia CHP holders are a law abiding group. So running into the post office or some other “sensitive” place requires them to leave their weapons somewhere (their car). Should be far less sensitive places to remove their need to leave a gun in a car.

If you leave your gun unsecured in a car you are not a law abiding citizen. It’s that simple.

What if the gun is locked inside a box/safe/container inside the car?

Because there ARE places that do not permit people who are otherwise carrying a gun legally (people with permits) to carry a gun inside. If people are required by law not to carry a gun in these places, then what are they supposed to do with their gun if they also cannot leave it in their car. That seems like a Catch-22 situation.

Is is creating situations like that the *intent* of the law? Because that doesn’t seem like legislating in good faith.

Leave it at home? Why do you need it with you to run errands?

So is that the intent of the law? To intimidate/inconvenience people with legally obtained permits to catty a gun into not carrying them?

Do you think that’s a wise mindset for legislators to frame proposed laws around? Because it seems punitive and vindictive to me.

What do you think?

I think the legislature should do everything possible to discourage people from carrying guns.