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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you want to go back to old days. When I was a supervisor in the 1980s I had a bathroom break log for exceptions.

Employees were required to pee or poop on own time before shift, after shift or during break or lunch. If you had to go we could make a five minute exception men and women and a 15 minute exception of a women has her period. Yes we tracked periods.

We allowed zero personal items in desk. We had lockers to lock up pocketbooks, coats or briefcases out side work area.

Zero personal phone calls allowed. Late more than three times in a year greater than 7 minutes fired. Call in sick greater than 3 instances fired.

Desks had no drawers. We had all employees facing forward and no personal talking allowed. I sat in back with a key stroke monitor and I could access all the screens.

We also had strict productivity goals. Don’t meet them fired.

We also did bed checks. Call in sick and we randomly do bed checks. Not in bed or at doctor when sick fired.

JInfinity that wasn’t the norm in the US in the 80s and your fantasy posts are getting old.

I thought that might have been a parody of him. It was very funny regardless. Bravo PP. We need to raise the bar on slackers.

[Anonymous]

All these post, and no one has bothered to mention what IBM is insisting on is three days a week in the office. So even folks who are “cracking down” are recognizing hybrid is where it’s at. This is not news.

Also, I would take this with a grain of salt. My sibling works for Disney and they also last spring put all this press out about how they were insisting four days a week in the office. Stock prices rose. My sibling has not gone four days in the office once. Now she does typically go two or three days a week, but has a lot of flexibility when she needs to leave early on those days.

Technology has changed and employees have spoken and work flexibility is here to stay. We are four years in folks - stop fighting it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you want to go back to old days. When I was a supervisor in the 1980s I had a bathroom break log for exceptions.

Employees were required to pee or poop on own time before shift, after shift or during break or lunch. If you had to go we could make a five minute exception men and women and a 15 minute exception of a women has her period. Yes we tracked periods.

We allowed zero personal items in desk. We had lockers to lock up pocketbooks, coats or briefcases out side work area.

Zero personal phone calls allowed. Late more than three times in a year greater than 7 minutes fired. Call in sick greater than 3 instances fired.

Desks had no drawers. We had all employees facing forward and no personal talking allowed. I sat in back with a key stroke monitor and I could access all the screens.

We also had strict productivity goals. Don’t meet them fired.

We also did bed checks. Call in sick and we randomly do bed checks. Not in bed or at doctor when sick fired.

JInfinity that wasn’t the norm in the US in the 80s and your fantasy posts are getting old.

I thought that might have been a parody of him. It was very funny regardless. Bravo PP. We need to raise the bar on slackers.

It wasn’t. The humor on this site has been in the toilet for several years. There used to be actual funny people here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:All these post, and no one has bothered to mention what IBM is insisting on is three days a week in the office. So even folks who are “cracking down” are recognizing hybrid is where it’s at. This is not news.

Also, I would take this with a grain of salt. My sibling works for Disney and they also last spring put all this press out about how they were insisting four days a week in the office. Stock prices rose. My sibling has not gone four days in the office once. Now she does typically go two or three days a week, but has a lot of flexibility when she needs to leave early on those days.

Technology has changed and employees have spoken and work flexibility is here to stay. We are four years in folks - stop fighting it.

Did you miss the point that most of their workers don’t live near an IBM office because they’ve been closing them over the last 15 years? This is a stealth layoff and a way to avoid severance. You’re q sheep standing there baaaaahhhiinnngg “it’s just hybrid guys, come on!”. 🙄

[Anonymous]

Well, if IBM is doing it, I’m sure the industry will follow such an innovative company.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is good to see. The days for slacking are over.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/ibm-managers-move-near-office-184216743.html

lol. Who’s going to tell OP, who thinks slacking never happens in an office?

There are 3M+ Feds as a great example.

No wonder Donny’s so eager to get his old job back.

[Anonymous]

I have friends who are RNs at hospitals and they have to go to the ladies restroom bathroom stall to use their cell phones.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All these post, and no one has bothered to mention what IBM is insisting on is three days a week in the office. So even folks who are “cracking down” are recognizing hybrid is where it’s at. This is not news.

Also, I would take this with a grain of salt. My sibling works for Disney and they also last spring put all this press out about how they were insisting four days a week in the office. Stock prices rose. My sibling has not gone four days in the office once. Now she does typically go two or three days a week, but has a lot of flexibility when she needs to leave early on those days.

Technology has changed and employees have spoken and work flexibility is here to stay. We are four years in folks - stop fighting it.

Did you miss the point that most of their workers don’t live near an IBM office because they’ve been closing them over the last 15 years? This is a stealth layoff and a way to avoid severance. You’re q sheep standing there baaaaahhhiinnngg “it’s just hybrid guys, come on!”. 🙄

That actually just reinforces my point even more. Companies who aren’t doing badly and laying off workers are allowing hybrid or work from home. Other companies like IBM are using it as an excuse to lay people off and then the rest of the people can work hybrid.

[Anonymous]

Short IBM big time. This is a death knell for talent. IBM has had remote workers for decades, way before COVID. These people would be on the road with clients + on the phone or computer all day at home.

Now? They have to report to an office if not at a client site. People who may have been working remotely for the last 15-20 years suddenly have to report to Armonk if they live in South NJ. It’s crazy and a sure fire way to lose a sh#t-ton of institutional knowledge + create an extremely toxic work place + guarantee that younger people steer clear of the company.

They are trying to juke the stock price for another few quarters, but this will have horrible long term consequences for IBM.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All these post, and no one has bothered to mention what IBM is insisting on is three days a week in the office. So even folks who are “cracking down” are recognizing hybrid is where it’s at. This is not news.

Also, I would take this with a grain of salt. My sibling works for Disney and they also last spring put all this press out about how they were insisting four days a week in the office. Stock prices rose. My sibling has not gone four days in the office once. Now she does typically go two or three days a week, but has a lot of flexibility when she needs to leave early on those days.

Technology has changed and employees have spoken and work flexibility is here to stay. We are four years in folks - stop fighting it.

Did you miss the point that most of their workers don’t live near an IBM office because they’ve been closing them over the last 15 years? This is a stealth layoff and a way to avoid severance. You’re q sheep standing there baaaaahhhiinnngg “it’s just hybrid guys, come on!”. 🙄

That actually just reinforces my point even more. Companies who aren’t doing badly and laying off workers are allowing hybrid or work from home. Other companies like IBM are using it as an excuse to lay people off and then the rest of the people can work hybrid.

No it doesn’t. And you have contradicted yourself now. First it’s just - ohhhhh this is just hybrid, new normal guys! But you had no idea that IBM doesn’t have offices to support hybrid work. So now it’s ohhh well only companies in financial trouble are doing this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All these post, and no one has bothered to mention what IBM is insisting on is three days a week in the office. So even folks who are “cracking down” are recognizing hybrid is where it’s at. This is not news.

Also, I would take this with a grain of salt. My sibling works for Disney and they also last spring put all this press out about how they were insisting four days a week in the office. Stock prices rose. My sibling has not gone four days in the office once. Now she does typically go two or three days a week, but has a lot of flexibility when she needs to leave early on those days.

Technology has changed and employees have spoken and work flexibility is here to stay. We are four years in folks - stop fighting it.

Did you miss the point that most of their workers don’t live near an IBM office because they’ve been closing them over the last 15 years? This is a stealth layoff and a way to avoid severance. You’re q sheep standing there baaaaahhhiinnngg “it’s just hybrid guys, come on!”. 🙄

That actually just reinforces my point even more. Companies who aren’t doing badly and laying off workers are allowing hybrid or work from home. Other companies like IBM are using it as an excuse to lay people off and then the rest of the people can work hybrid.

No it doesn’t. And you have contradicted yourself now. First it’s just - ohhhhh this is just hybrid, new normal guys! But you had no idea that IBM doesn’t have offices to support hybrid work. So now it’s ohhh well only companies in financial trouble are doing this.

What do you mean IBM does not have offices to support hybrid? Do they have office space or not? If you have office space you can presumably have people come in some days and not others which is what they were calling for. The article said three days a week in the office. I’m totally confused.

But I don’t understand what your point is. I work for remote first company and go in about once a month and travel to get together with my team or others in the company 2-3 times a year. Very few of our working parent friends in our neighborhood, kids sports teams, school friends, etc. are back in the office full-time. In fact, in our circle of friends, I can think of no one who goes in more than three times a week.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All these post, and no one has bothered to mention what IBM is insisting on is three days a week in the office. So even folks who are “cracking down” are recognizing hybrid is where it’s at. This is not news.

Also, I would take this with a grain of salt. My sibling works for Disney and they also last spring put all this press out about how they were insisting four days a week in the office. Stock prices rose. My sibling has not gone four days in the office once. Now she does typically go two or three days a week, but has a lot of flexibility when she needs to leave early on those days.

Technology has changed and employees have spoken and work flexibility is here to stay. We are four years in folks - stop fighting it.

Did you miss the point that most of their workers don’t live near an IBM office because they’ve been closing them over the last 15 years? This is a stealth layoff and a way to avoid severance. You’re q sheep standing there baaaaahhhiinnngg “it’s just hybrid guys, come on!”. 🙄

So are they going out of business? How can they call people back into offices that don’t exist?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All these post, and no one has bothered to mention what IBM is insisting on is three days a week in the office. So even folks who are “cracking down” are recognizing hybrid is where it’s at. This is not news.

Also, I would take this with a grain of salt. My sibling works for Disney and they also last spring put all this press out about how they were insisting four days a week in the office. Stock prices rose. My sibling has not gone four days in the office once. Now she does typically go two or three days a week, but has a lot of flexibility when she needs to leave early on those days.

Technology has changed and employees have spoken and work flexibility is here to stay. We are four years in folks - stop fighting it.

Did you miss the point that most of their workers don’t live near an IBM office because they’ve been closing them over the last 15 years? This is a stealth layoff and a way to avoid severance. You’re q sheep standing there baaaaahhhiinnngg “it’s just hybrid guys, come on!”. 🙄

That actually just reinforces my point even more. Companies who aren’t doing badly and laying off workers are allowing hybrid or work from home. Other companies like IBM are using it as an excuse to lay people off and then the rest of the people can work hybrid.

No it doesn’t. And you have contradicted yourself now. First it’s just - ohhhhh this is just hybrid, new normal guys! But you had no idea that IBM doesn’t have offices to support hybrid work. So now it’s ohhh well only companies in financial trouble are doing this.

What do you mean IBM does not have offices to support hybrid? Do they have office space or not? If you have office space you can presumably have people come in some days and not others which is what they were calling for. The article said three days a week in the office. I’m totally confused.

But I don’t understand what your point is. I work for remote first company and go in about once a month and travel to get together with my team or others in the company 2-3 times a year. Very few of our working parent friends in our neighborhood, kids sports teams, school friends, etc. are back in the office full-time. In fact, in our circle of friends, I can think of no one who goes in more than three times a week.

IBM has closed a lot of smaller regional offices. So people who previously had a commutable office no longer have one nearby. They’ve been remote since COVID (or even longer!) and now suddenly have to report to an office hundreds of miles away or lose their job. Its really rough for people who have to travel for client interaction, but not enough to be on-site at the client 3 days/week.

This was of no fault by the employee. Basically IBM has reneged on long time corporate norms and BAU that people planned their lives around.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Short IBM stock. Well they do have a solid AI business.

But requiring people to work in office B instead of office A? A stealth layoff that is only based on location? Seems a terrible way to run a business and bad for morale. IBM should know that the days of office work are coming to an end. Requiring workers to go into an office to be on video calls is highly inefficient and archaic.

If IBM doesn’t want remote workers then it should not allow workers to use Teams and should require use of desk telephones like it’s 2005.

When I am in office I do all my meetings in person. If someone asks for link I respond there is none your staff or manager can catch you up. I personally don’t want to drive, get dressed go to office to talk to you via zoom whine you are in your pajamas playing video games with your camera off.

I do this too. If I'm in the office - you should be too. Otherwise borrow notes from someone.

I'm 32 BTW.

This is so unprofessional. Where do you work? I want to avoid your company. I’m 36 btw.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All these post, and no one has bothered to mention what IBM is insisting on is three days a week in the office. So even folks who are “cracking down” are recognizing hybrid is where it’s at. This is not news.

Also, I would take this with a grain of salt. My sibling works for Disney and they also last spring put all this press out about how they were insisting four days a week in the office. Stock prices rose. My sibling has not gone four days in the office once. Now she does typically go two or three days a week, but has a lot of flexibility when she needs to leave early on those days.

Technology has changed and employees have spoken and work flexibility is here to stay. We are four years in folks - stop fighting it.

Did you miss the point that most of their workers don’t live near an IBM office because they’ve been closing them over the last 15 years? This is a stealth layoff and a way to avoid severance. You’re q sheep standing there baaaaahhhiinnngg “it’s just hybrid guys, come on!”. 🙄

That actually just reinforces my point even more. Companies who aren’t doing badly and laying off workers are allowing hybrid or work from home. Other companies like IBM are using it as an excuse to lay people off and then the rest of the people can work hybrid.

No it doesn’t. And you have contradicted yourself now. First it’s just - ohhhhh this is just hybrid, new normal guys! But you had no idea that IBM doesn’t have offices to support hybrid work. So now it’s ohhh well only companies in financial trouble are doing this.

What do you mean IBM does not have offices to support hybrid? Do they have office space or not? If you have office space you can presumably have people come in some days and not others which is what they were calling for. The article said three days a week in the office. I’m totally confused.

But I don’t understand what your point is. I work for remote first company and go in about once a month and travel to get together with my team or others in the company 2-3 times a year. Very few of our working parent friends in our neighborhood, kids sports teams, school friends, etc. are back in the office full-time. In fact, in our circle of friends, I can think of no one who goes in more than three times a week.

IBM has closed a lot of smaller regional offices. So people who previously had a commutable office no longer have one nearby. They’ve been remote since COVID (or even longer!) and now suddenly have to report to an office hundreds of miles away or lose their job. Its really rough for people who have to travel for client interaction, but not enough to be on-site at the client 3 days/week.

This was of no fault by the employee. Basically IBM has reneged on long time corporate norms and BAU that people planned their lives around.

Was this a long term plan or are they trying to reduce operating costs? Lots of people stay at IBM for long periods. This is going to be really hard on people near retirement - and no severance is horrible. Unforgivable way to treat long-term employees and yet not shocking at all.