Scoir or Naviance data: Emory ; Northwestern; Vanderbilt; Rice; WashU

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Anonymous wrote:You need to clarify if it is ED or RD you are talking about for these schools. Makes a difference with necessary GPA.

No, the scoir data shared is for all admissions ED plus RD combined)

That's right, but for many of the schools cited, very few NCS girls apply ED, and that skews things. The fact that a large percentage of the class is EDing only to the same eight to ten schools is a whole different topic, but if no one or only one or two students from NCS (or any other school) applies ED to the Emory, Northwestern, Vanderbilt, Rice, etc. group of schools, it's hard to know definitively what the trend is. I think there is a general understanding that your odds are improved in those rounds, but most students don't strategize that way, and that's a choice. So you have a bunch of apps in RD, and only the tippy top students are successful.

I don't think this is true--there were an bunch of girls (under 3.9) who tried to ED to Vandy and Nowthwestern last year and none got in.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You need to clarify if it is ED or RD you are talking about for these schools. Makes a difference with necessary GPA.

No, the scoir data shared is for all admissions ED plus RD combined)

That's right, but for many of the schools cited, very few NCS girls apply ED, and that skews things. The fact that a large percentage of the class is EDing only to the same eight to ten schools is a whole different topic, but if no one or only one or two students from NCS (or any other school) applies ED to the Emory, Northwestern, Vanderbilt, Rice, etc. group of schools, it's hard to know definitively what the trend is. I think there is a general understanding that your odds are improved in those rounds, but most students don't strategize that way, and that's a choice. So you have a bunch of apps in RD, and only the tippy top students are successful.

I was just going to say this, I would believe those stats for RD, because both schools admit a ton ED 1 and 2. Acceptance rates drop from over 30 percent in ED to under 10 in RD. Sounds like the girls need to use ED more strategically.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You need to clarify if it is ED or RD you are talking about for these schools. Makes a difference with necessary GPA.

No, the scoir data shared is for all admissions ED plus RD combined)

That's right, but for many of the schools cited, very few NCS girls apply ED, and that skews things. The fact that a large percentage of the class is EDing only to the same eight to ten schools is a whole different topic, but if no one or only one or two students from NCS (or any other school) applies ED to the Emory, Northwestern, Vanderbilt, Rice, etc. group of schools, it's hard to know definitively what the trend is. I think there is a general understanding that your odds are improved in those rounds, but most students don't strategize that way, and that's a choice. So you have a bunch of apps in RD, and only the tippy top students are successful.

I don't think this is true--there were an bunch of girls (under 3.9) who tried to ED to Vandy and Nowthwestern last year and none got in.

Any legacies?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You need to clarify if it is ED or RD you are talking about for these schools. Makes a difference with necessary GPA.

No, the scoir data shared is for all admissions ED plus RD combined)

That's right, but for many of the schools cited, very few NCS girls apply ED, and that skews things. The fact that a large percentage of the class is EDing only to the same eight to ten schools is a whole different topic, but if no one or only one or two students from NCS (or any other school) applies ED to the Emory, Northwestern, Vanderbilt, Rice, etc. group of schools, it's hard to know definitively what the trend is. I think there is a general understanding that your odds are improved in those rounds, but most students don't strategize that way, and that's a choice. So you have a bunch of apps in RD, and only the tippy top students are successful.

I don't think this is true--there were an bunch of girls (under 3.9) who tried to ED to Vandy and Nowthwestern last year and none got in.

Any legacies?

Yes for Vanderbilt. Were not admitted.

[Anonymous]

Our private uses SCOIR and the data clearly shows students getting in with slightly lower GPA’s in ED1 rounds. My DC applied to one of them as a legacy-max rigor, 35 ACT in one attempt, and 3.82 GPA. We shall see….🙏🤞🏻🍀

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You need to clarify if it is ED or RD you are talking about for these schools. Makes a difference with necessary GPA.

No, the scoir data shared is for all admissions ED plus RD combined)

That's right, but for many of the schools cited, very few NCS girls apply ED, and that skews things. The fact that a large percentage of the class is EDing only to the same eight to ten schools is a whole different topic, but if no one or only one or two students from NCS (or any other school) applies ED to the Emory, Northwestern, Vanderbilt, Rice, etc. group of schools, it's hard to know definitively what the trend is. I think there is a general understanding that your odds are improved in those rounds, but most students don't strategize that way, and that's a choice. So you have a bunch of apps in RD, and only the tippy top students are successful.

I don't think this is true--there were an bunch of girls (under 3.9) who tried to ED to Vandy and Nowthwestern last year and none got in.

Vandy and Northwestern are way harder admits these days than Emory and Wash U. Their ED acceptance rate half or less than Emory/WashU. Literally no student from any of the bigger Baltimore private schools got in Vandy last year ED1 (including the valedictorian from one of the more well regarded) while maybe half a dozen or more did just one year earlier.

[Anonymous]

Also, if you compare across girls schools in the DMV, no school is doing well at the Ivies/srandord/MIT etc if you exclude athletic recruits. The lists are all very similar.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Our private uses SCOIR and the data clearly shows students getting in with slightly lower GPA’s in ED1 rounds. My DC applied to one of them as a legacy-max rigor, 35 ACT in one attempt, and 3.82 GPA. We shall see….🙏🤞🏻🍀

Can you list all of your data here like others have done?

I really think the transparency in this post is maybe one of the most helpful things I’ve ever read in this folder on this site

[Anonymous]

What people are also ignoring is that not everyone at NCS wants to go on to another grinder school. Not everyone has an Ivy in their sights.

[Anonymous]

What about schools other than NCS?!?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What people are also ignoring is that not everyone at NCS wants to go on to another grinder school. Not everyone has an Ivy in their sights.

Except this isn't supported by the Scoir data. It shows that many from NCS are applying to NU, Vanderbilt, Duke, etc. they're just not getting in with under about a 3.9.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What people are also ignoring is that not everyone at NCS wants to go on to another grinder school. Not everyone has an Ivy in their sights.

Except this isn't supported by the Scoir data. It shows that many from NCS are applying to NU, Vanderbilt, Duke, etc. they're just not getting in with under about a 3.9.

Can you see the rigor of their courses?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What people are also ignoring is that not everyone at NCS wants to go on to another grinder school. Not everyone has an Ivy in their sights.

Except this isn't supported by the Scoir data. It shows that many from NCS are applying to NU, Vanderbilt, Duke, etc. they're just not getting in with under about a 3.9.

Can you see the rigor of their courses?

That might be the reason—is it 3.9 but not with the most rigorous classes?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:NCS (lowest GPAs in the past 3 cycles).
Northwestern 3.91
Vanderbilt 3.9
Rice 4.0 (yes, 4.0--so not a single A minus).

Basically, if your kid is not in the top 5 girls in their class at NCS--these are probably off the table.

Other posters have said not a single girl can get all As at NCS as it really grade deflates. But you are saying some do. Cant follow the NCS posting crowd.

NP and not affiliated with NCS but it seems that only the top 5% of the class or the top 5 girls by GPA in the class are getting admitted, so by that token 95% of the class is not getting A’s.

My question to NCS parents is why has the school not changed course at this point with grading and how is it possible that kids from a school like NCS need a 3.91 to get into Vanderbuilt?

Because by the time parents realize this, it's too late. Their daughter is a junior or likely, a senior and grades are in the books. My guess is that they're going to have to start grading more reasonably this year or next because these grades don't have crew recruits (or maybe 1) so the school won't have these Ivy acceptances to hide behind and things are not going to be pretty overall (and you know that prospective parents screen the college matriculation lists like hawks) it will be too late for these classes but there may be a reset for the grades to come.

The only kids getting into top 20 schools are the 3.9+ ones (who do really well and prop another year of parents willing to pay for NCS because "Oh! Wow! The college admissions are SO great!"

But get a few Bs? Even a few? The outlook is far more bleak. the school sent about 10 girls (out of 72) combined to Drexel and Syracuse last year. They're good schools but I'm sure they're not what parents had in mind when their kids were in 4th grade.

They also sent seven to the University of Chicago, which disrupts this narrative because it gets taken for granted. But even that range of GPAs moved rightward on the graph after being pretty steady for a number of years. But if you expand your scope from top twenty to top twenty-five (and there really is not that big a difference in the bottom of that group, which is pretty impressive) the results change. I hear what you are saying, but the landscape has changed everywhere. I don't know that it is just an NCS issue but NCS gets singled out on this Board over and over.

Maybe it’s that NCS is all girls and girls have been disadvantaged in admissions for the past 15+ years, so that doesn’t help. Also, if classes don’t have legacy kids who are both capable of of meeting minimum criteria to get admitted to a top SLAC or Ivy or URM kids who are capable of meeting minimum criteria or recruitable athletes who are capable of meeting minimum criteria you will not have as impressive outcomes. If grading were changed it might help but the girls will still be going up against other unhooked girls from good schools who are full pay. It’s hard to stand out when you look like everyone else on paper. Add to that the fact that testing data which may have previously helped bolster academic qualifications against similar peers is no longer required by many schools and also hopelessly skewed because only students with near perfect scores bother submitting.

Are better sports teams the answer?

Please stop with the URM as a hook. 36 ACT with 95 average at a DC private and deferred SCEA from Yale. Please tell me how that is a hook.