non-Zionist Jewish congregations in the DMV?

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Check out Neturei Karta, if they have a chapter nearby. You might have to compromise on the dress code, though.

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Anonymous wrote:If you were Jewish you would know that this question actually doesn't make any sense (as pp's post) and you would already know where to look to answer this question. There would be people in your life or who you associate with that would give you leads. Your question only makes sense if you became Jewish today or Jewish only for the purposes of making this post. You seem to not have a single connection in the community.

I just posted about the Jewish Humanist shuls. I don’t support the current policies in Israel. I also am a strong supporter of a two state solution. You can absolutely be Jewish and not a Zionist.

If you support a two state solution, like I do, I think that makes you a Zionist. I think anti-Zionists believe Israel should not exist at all.

This.

There is the third view that Israel should not HAVE EXISTED/BEEN CREATED in 1948 on the stolen lands of others, but that to remove Israel today would be effectively repeating the abhorrent practice of stealing lands from innocent people.

I’m the previous poster who does not label herself a Zionist. I agree with this, but I also recognize it was a response from an antisemetic US and Europe who didn’t want the influx of Jewish refugees after the Holocaust. It was an easy solution for them that furthered antisemitism….

No one is forced to become an antisemite.
On another but not completely unrelated note, cries of "I am oppressed" does not mean that you have the right to become a terrorist.
People should have personal responsiblity for each and every action in their lives.

You… completely didn’t understand this post. The point was antisemites in the US and Europe created Israel because they didn’t want the influx of Jews. Antisemitism is the foundation of this whole thing

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Anonymous wrote:If you were Jewish you would know that this question actually doesn't make any sense (as pp's post) and you would already know where to look to answer this question. There would be people in your life or who you associate with that would give you leads. Your question only makes sense if you became Jewish today or Jewish only for the purposes of making this post. You seem to not have a single connection in the community.

I just posted about the Jewish Humanist shuls. I don’t support the current policies in Israel. I also am a strong supporter of a two state solution. You can absolutely be Jewish and not a Zionist.

A two-state solution is an inherently Zionist position. Being anti-Zionist would imply you don't want there to be any state of Israel, not that you disagree (even vehemently) with the government's policies there.

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Anonymous wrote:If you were Jewish you would know that this question actually doesn't make any sense (as pp's post) and you would already know where to look to answer this question. There would be people in your life or who you associate with that would give you leads. Your question only makes sense if you became Jewish today or Jewish only for the purposes of making this post. You seem to not have a single connection in the community.

I just posted about the Jewish Humanist shuls. I don’t support the current policies in Israel. I also am a strong supporter of a two state solution.f You can absolutely be Jewish and not a Zionist.

You do realize that the two-state solution only works if the “second state” doesn’t have as its public and professed mission “destroy first state” right? I mean, Hamas is not shy about this goal. The Palestinian people in Gaza ELECTED members of Hamas to serve as their official leadership. So how does one suggest that a two-state solution happen when one of the states wants to destroy the other—as its primary goal.???

This usually happens when one state steals the land of the other state. As is the case with Israel and Palestine.

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Anonymous wrote:If you were Jewish you would know that this question actually doesn't make any sense (as pp's post) and you would already know where to look to answer this question. There would be people in your life or who you associate with that would give you leads. Your question only makes sense if you became Jewish today or Jewish only for the purposes of making this post. You seem to not have a single connection in the community.

I just posted about the Jewish Humanist shuls. I don’t support the current policies in Israel. I also am a strong supporter of a two state solution.f You can absolutely be Jewish and not a Zionist.

You do realize that the two-state solution only works if the “second state” doesn’t have as its public and professed mission “destroy first state” right? I mean, Hamas is not shy about this goal. The Palestinian people in Gaza ELECTED members of Hamas to serve as their official leadership. So how does one suggest that a two-state solution happen when one of the states wants to destroy the other—as its primary goal.???

This usually happens when one state steals the land of the other state. As is the case with Israel and Palestine.

Please learn history before weighing in on things you clearly don’t know about. The British Mandate of Palestine was not a country. It was British controlled. The UN divided it into two states, Palestine and Israel. Palestine could never accept this and kept attacking the new state of Israel and lost land in the process.

Now if we’re talking the more recent incursions into the West Bank, agreed. But the trope of Israel entirely “stealing” Palestine’s land… no.

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Anonymous wrote:If you were Jewish you would know that this question actually doesn't make any sense (as pp's post) and you would already know where to look to answer this question. There would be people in your life or who you associate with that would give you leads. Your question only makes sense if you became Jewish today or Jewish only for the purposes of making this post. You seem to not have a single connection in the community.

I just posted about the Jewish Humanist shuls. I don’t support the current policies in Israel. I also am a strong supporter of a two state solution.f You can absolutely be Jewish and not a Zionist.

You do realize that the two-state solution only works if the “second state” doesn’t have as its public and professed mission “destroy first state” right? I mean, Hamas is not shy about this goal. The Palestinian people in Gaza ELECTED members of Hamas to serve as their official leadership. So how does one suggest that a two-state solution happen when one of the states wants to destroy the other—as its primary goal.???

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No doubt this is the reaction part of the problem. The original one, though, started because the British gave the territory to the United Nations, which forcibly removed property from Arabs to give to Jews to create a new country.

OK - but first give your house back to the Native Americans. Be the change you want to see. Don't demand others do it - while you do it yourself. We just beat back the indians too much that they don't even have enough people to fight back - you know like ACTUAL genocide.

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Anonymous wrote:If you were Jewish you would know that this question actually doesn't make any sense (as pp's post) and you would already know where to look to answer this question. There would be people in your life or who you associate with that would give you leads. Your question only makes sense if you became Jewish today or Jewish only for the purposes of making this post. You seem to not have a single connection in the community.

I just posted about the Jewish Humanist shuls. I don’t support the current policies in Israel. I also am a strong supporter of a two state solution.f You can absolutely be Jewish and not a Zionist.

You do realize that the two-state solution only works if the “second state” doesn’t have as its public and professed mission “destroy first state” right? I mean, Hamas is not shy about this goal. The Palestinian people in Gaza ELECTED members of Hamas to serve as their official leadership. So how does one suggest that a two-state solution happen when one of the states wants to destroy the other—as its primary goal.???

This usually happens when one state steals the land of the other state. As is the case with Israel and Palestine.

Please learn history before weighing in on things you clearly don’t know about. The British Mandate of Palestine was not a country. It was British controlled. The UN divided it into two states, Palestine and Israel. Palestine could never accept this and kept attacking the new state of Israel and lost land in the process.

Now if we’re talking the more recent incursions into the West Bank, agreed. But the trope of Israel entirely “stealing” Palestine’s land… no.

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I suspect some trolling here because most Jewish people, at least those observant enough to go to a synagogue, understand that Zionism is the belief that Jewish people have the right to live in their ancestral homeland. Conversely, to be Anti-Zionist is to be opposed to the existence of Israel.

As a PP stated, aside from a very fringe ultra orthodox group that believes Israel can't be established until after the Messiah appears, you would be hard pressed to find a Jewish congregation that is opposed to a Jewish homeland.

As any Jewish person knows, opinions on the Israeli government vary widely. So you can seek a congregation that is aligned with your views on that front. But I'm a little skeptical of any observant Jewish person who comes to DCUM to essentially say that they're seeking a Jewish congregation that doesn't support the existence of Israel. Hmmm.

Last, as has been stated, Zionism is entirely compatible with support for a two-state solution. As another PP stated, this was the original U.N. proposal in 1947: to establish two separate states, one for Arabs and one for Jews, after the end of British rule. It was not accepted on the Arab side, which attacked and led to the displacement of Palestinian Arabs.

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Anonymous wrote:If you were Jewish you would know that this question actually doesn't make any sense (as pp's post) and you would already know where to look to answer this question. There would be people in your life or who you associate with that would give you leads. Your question only makes sense if you became Jewish today or Jewish only for the purposes of making this post. You seem to not have a single connection in the community.

I just posted about the Jewish Humanist shuls. I don’t support the current policies in Israel. I also am a strong supporter of a two state solution.f You can absolutely be Jewish and not a Zionist.

You do realize that the two-state solution only works if the “second state” doesn’t have as its public and professed mission “destroy first state” right? I mean, Hamas is not shy about this goal. The Palestinian people in Gaza ELECTED members of Hamas to serve as their official leadership. So how does one suggest that a two-state solution happen when one of the states wants to destroy the other—as its primary goal.???

This usually happens when one state steals the land of the other state. As is the case with Israel and Palestine.

Please learn history before weighing in on things you clearly don’t know about. The British Mandate of Palestine was not a country. It was British controlled. The UN divided it into two states, Palestine and Israel. Palestine could never accept this and kept attacking the new state of Israel and lost land in the process.

Now if we’re talking the more recent incursions into the West Bank, agreed. But the trope of Israel entirely “stealing” Palestine’s land… no.

So the moral of the story is… the Brits are immoral scum who f*cked up all parts of the world they meddled with and now sit back and casually observe the results with a detached and bemused air.

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Anonymous wrote:If you were Jewish you would know that this question actually doesn't make any sense (as pp's post) and you would already know where to look to answer this question. There would be people in your life or who you associate with that would give you leads. Your question only makes sense if you became Jewish today or Jewish only for the purposes of making this post. You seem to not have a single connection in the community.

I just posted about the Jewish Humanist shuls. I don’t support the current policies in Israel. I also am a strong supporter of a two state solution.f You can absolutely be Jewish and not a Zionist.

You do realize that the two-state solution only works if the “second state” doesn’t have as its public and professed mission “destroy first state” right? I mean, Hamas is not shy about this goal. The Palestinian people in Gaza ELECTED members of Hamas to serve as their official leadership. So how does one suggest that a two-state solution happen when one of the states wants to destroy the other—as its primary goal.???

This usually happens when one state steals the land of the other state. As is the case with Israel and Palestine.

Please learn history before weighing in on things you clearly don’t know about. The British Mandate of Palestine was not a country. It was British controlled. The UN divided it into two states, Palestine and Israel. Palestine could never accept this and kept attacking the new state of Israel and lost land in the process.

Now if we’re talking the more recent incursions into the West Bank, agreed. But the trope of Israel entirely “stealing” Palestine’s land… no.

So the moral of the story is… the Brits are immoral scum who f*cked up all parts of the world they meddled with and now sit back and casually observe the results with a detached and bemused air.

There is so much more that has happened in human history since the end of the colonial era. Many states that were colonized have been independent for a long time now. That part of history isn't discussed in popular culture and on tik tok so it is not know about. No one knows much if anything about the African world war of the late 20th century. The conflict between China and Vietnam in the mid to late 20th century. So the let's get revenge and take back what is ours from the white supremacist settler colonist narrative is faulty-ignores wide periods of human activity, periods that included conflict between people who looked like each other.

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Personally I believe there is a wide range in what constitutes Zionism. I think most American Jews believe in a Zionism where Israel is both Jewish and a pluralistic democratic state, but it is increasingly doubtful that Israel can be all of those things.

Many American Jews believe in a Zionism where Israel maintains its Jewish identity even at expense of pluralistic, democratic values but many do not and whether those latter people are really Zionists is where the rub is.

There will be a “Peace Bloc” within the pro-Israel march on Tuesday to continue to make the case that people can be pro-Israel, pro-peace and pro-democracy. I think the Reconstructionist movement is part of the Peace Bloc so you could consider looking at those congregations (like Adat Shalom).

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Anonymous wrote:Personally I believe there is a wide range in what constitutes Zionism. I think most American Jews believe in a Zionism where Israel is both Jewish and a pluralistic democratic state, but it is increasingly doubtful that Israel can be all of those things.

Many American Jews believe in a Zionism where Israel maintains its Jewish identity even at expense of pluralistic, democratic values but many do not and whether those latter people are really Zionists is where the rub is.

There will be a “Peace Bloc” within the pro-Israel march on Tuesday to continue to make the case that people can be pro-Israel, pro-peace and pro-democracy. I think the Reconstructionist movement is part of the Peace Bloc so you could consider looking at those congregations (like Adat Shalom).

What are the goals of the Peace Bloc?

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Anonymous wrote:Are there any synagogues or Jewish faith communities in the DC area that are not Zionist? Obviously there are Jewish activist and political groups that are not but are there any religious institutions that do not support Israel? We can no longer stomach our synagogue's "stand with Israel" stance and would like to maintain a Jewish communal religious life without the Israel piece. I am not looking for a political debate here, just asking for alternatives if there are any.

OP, please come back and clarify, are you in favor of Jews abandoning Israel and of a new diaspora?

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Not Jewish but just wanna say, really respect you OP for taking this stance and standing up for what is right. Kudos.

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Anonymous wrote:Personally I believe there is a wide range in what constitutes Zionism. I think most American Jews believe in a Zionism where Israel is both Jewish and a pluralistic democratic state, but it is increasingly doubtful that Israel can be all of those things.

Many American Jews believe in a Zionism where Israel maintains its Jewish identity even at expense of pluralistic, democratic values but many do not and whether those latter people are really Zionists is where the rub is.

There will be a “Peace Bloc” within the pro-Israel march on Tuesday to continue to make the case that people can be pro-Israel, pro-peace and pro-democracy. I think the Reconstructionist movement is part of the Peace Bloc so you could consider looking at those congregations (like Adat Shalom).

What are the goals of the Peace Bloc?

I am not involved in organizing it but I assume it is to express support for Israel and its right to self-defense, to support release of the hostages, to oppose anti-semitism, but also to show support for helping the civilian population of Gaza (recognizing the horror they are going through), respecting international law, and recognizing that Israel cannot achieve just and lasting peace by military force alone.