Colleges should require scores if test is taken

[Anonymous]

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I think scores should be required, period.

The "doesn't test well" is a myth. My son with special needs didn't test well until we got him diagnosed, taught him organizational skills and half-medicated (he couldn't take the optimal dose of meds due to medical concerns, but a little was better than nothing).

Are you really trying to say that kids who don’t test well are lazy or something? Take your asinine theory and shove it.

I don’t think they’re lazy. I just don’t think they should be able to rely on litigious parents who use bulldozer tactics to knock down natural barriers that were designed to match capacity with suitable opportunity.

I think any moderately successful adult who helps their kids in SAT prep cannot help but be struck by the absurdity of the test

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I think scores should be required, period.

The "doesn't test well" is a myth. My son with special needs didn't test well until we got him diagnosed, taught him organizational skills and half-medicated (he couldn't take the optimal dose of meds due to medical concerns, but a little was better than nothing).

Are you really trying to say that kids who don’t test well are lazy or something? Take your asinine theory and shove it.

I don’t think they’re lazy. I just don’t think they should be able to rely on litigious parents who use bulldozer tactics to knock down natural barriers that were designed to match capacity with suitable opportunity.

I think any moderately successful adult who helps their kids in SAT prep cannot help but be struck by the absurdity of the test

Again, the the 1,000th time, this opinion is shaped by your own experience with the test.

If you did great and your kid did great, you think it’s relevant. If you didn’t do well, and/or your kid didn’t do well, tiu end up like you, tilting at testing windmills because they are “absurd” (but tests, and group projects, and homework, and busy work in school is definitely not absurd).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I”m all in favor of those who don’t test well deciding not to take the SAT or ACT. But I think colleges should require th3 scores for any test taken. I think Georgetown has it right - require all scores. That still leaves the decision with the student and his/her parent. But also allows the colleges to have the most complete information available to make decisions.

Thanks for sharing. I disagree.

Do you think that students should likewise be able to drop any grades they don’t like in school, and then conceal that information from AOs?

If not, why do you think it’s OK to cloak a poor performance on a standardized test but not a poor performance on a homework assignment or a group assignment or a quiz? Just curious …

This is about what schools want from students to make their decisions. Some schools want essays. Some don’t. Some put weight on scores. Some, like the entire UC system, don’t accept them at all. Some schools only look at weighted GPAs and other only look at unweighted.

Maybe there’s a school that lets applicants pick a class for which they don’t want calculated into their gpa. They would be doing whatever works best for them.

You seem to be trying to control what every school should require for admissions. Why?

Pointing out the incongruity of the system. It’s been distorted by meddlesome parents whose kids test poorly, and now all of us get a lottery ticket. Thanks.

You seem upset. But you really don't have to be.

To paraphrase one of the all time great cinematic characters, the magnificent Marge Gunderson: "There's more to life than a T20, you know. Don'tcha know that? And here ya are. And it's a beautiful day."

Hmmm … well, I’d wager your upbeat, glass is half full, chipper ethos would unravel pretty quickly if you learned colleges were pivoting today and going GPA optional with standardized test results required from all 2024 graduates.

How did I do? Do I keep my $$$?

Wow, you really *are* unhappy. I'm genuinely so sorry.

In answer to your question, I'd be fine if standardized tests were required, actually. But go ahead and keep your money. Do something nice for yourself with it. I hope your night improves.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I”m all in favor of those who don’t test well deciding not to take the SAT or ACT. But I think colleges should require th3 scores for any test taken. I think Georgetown has it right - require all scores. That still leaves the decision with the student and his/her parent. But also allows the colleges to have the most complete information available to make decisions.

But that works against social engineering the class, which is what the schools want. They want URMs and first generations AND the high test scores that can be reported to USNWR. Viola! that is the system we have but no one wants to admit it.

What’s a viola got to do with anything?

Viola players probably get an admissions preference too.

What is the test for viola players? How will they digitize that test😱?

Hey now. Let's not get too high strung.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I”m all in favor of those who don’t test well deciding not to take the SAT or ACT. But I think colleges should require th3 scores for any test taken. I think Georgetown has it right - require all scores. That still leaves the decision with the student and his/her parent. But also allows the colleges to have the most complete information available to make decisions.

But that works against social engineering the class, which is what the schools want. They want URMs and first generations AND the high test scores that can be reported to USNWR. Viola! that is the system we have but no one wants to admit it.

What’s a viola got to do with anything?

Viola players probably get an admissions preference too.

What is the test for viola players? How will they digitize that test😱?

Hey now. Let's not get too high strung.

No reason to fret.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
I think scores should be required, period.

The "doesn't test well" is a myth. My son with special needs didn't test well until we got him diagnosed, taught him organizational skills and half-medicated (he couldn't take the optimal dose of meds due to medical concerns, but a little was better than nothing).

So, without significant intervention, your kid didn't test well. It required diagnosis, training, and medication. What about kids without the resources and time and knowledge to get those things? For whom standardized tests don't actually reflect their cognitive abilities or their knowledge?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I think scores should be required, period.

The "doesn't test well" is a myth. My son with special needs didn't test well until we got him diagnosed, taught him organizational skills and half-medicated (he couldn't take the optimal dose of meds due to medical concerns, but a little was better than nothing).

Are you really trying to say that kids who don’t test well are lazy or something? Take your asinine theory and shove it.

I don’t think they’re lazy. I just don’t think they should be able to rely on litigious parents who use bulldozer tactics to knock down natural barriers that were designed to match capacity with suitable opportunity.

How can a natural barrier be designed? Do you know how the SAT was actually designed? Do you think it genuinely measures capacity? Do you know how many standardized tests most people take after the SAT?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I”m all in favor of those who don’t test well deciding not to take the SAT or ACT. But I think colleges should require th3 scores for any test taken. I think Georgetown has it right - require all scores. That still leaves the decision with the student and his/her parent. But also allows the colleges to have the most complete information available to make decisions.

But that works against social engineering the class, which is what the schools want. They want URMs and first generations AND the high test scores that can be reported to USNWR. Viola! that is the system we have but no one wants to admit it.

What’s a viola got to do with anything?

Viola players probably get an admissions preference too.

What is the test for viola players? How will they digitize that test😱?

Hey now. Let's not get too high strung.

No reason to fret.

Take a bow for that one.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I”m all in favor of those who don’t test well deciding not to take the SAT or ACT. But I think colleges should require th3 scores for any test taken. I think Georgetown has it right - require all scores. That still leaves the decision with the student and his/her parent. But also allows the colleges to have the most complete information available to make decisions.

Thanks for sharing. I disagree.

Do you think that students should likewise be able to drop any grades they don’t like in school, and then conceal that information from AOs?

If not, why do you think it’s OK to cloak a poor performance on a standardized test but not a poor performance on a homework assignment or a group assignment or a quiz? Just curious …

This is about what schools want from students to make their decisions. Some schools want essays. Some don’t. Some put weight on scores. Some, like the entire UC system, don’t accept them at all. Some schools only look at weighted GPAs and other only look at unweighted.

Maybe there’s a school that lets applicants pick a class for which they don’t want calculated into their gpa. They would be doing whatever works best for them.

You seem to be trying to control what every school should require for admissions. Why?

Pointing out the incongruity of the system. It’s been distorted by meddlesome parents whose kids test poorly, and now all of us get a lottery ticket. Thanks.

You seem upset. But you really don't have to be.

To paraphrase one of the all time great cinematic characters, the magnificent Marge Gunderson: "There's more to life than a T20, you know. Don'tcha know that? And here ya are. And it's a beautiful day."

Hmmm … well, I’d wager your upbeat, glass is half full, chipper ethos would unravel pretty quickly if you learned colleges were pivoting today and going GPA optional with standardized test results required from all 2024 graduates.

How did I do? Do I keep my $$$?

He’s an angry elf.

[Anonymous]

All for test optional when we have grade, recommendation and essay optional. Heck, let’s make it a lottery!

[Anonymous]

But they are not going to. TO is here to stay. Hate all you want but that's the deal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
I think scores should be required, period.

The "doesn't test well" is a myth. My son with special needs didn't test well until we got him diagnosed, taught him organizational skills and half-medicated (he couldn't take the optimal dose of meds due to medical concerns, but a little was better than nothing).

Pretty amazing that this is your definition of "special needs." Organizational skills. Would that it were that easy!

[Anonymous]

How about going back to the "one and done" SAT testing? That would be a more level playing field by eliminating the "prep and retake until you hit 1500" crowd.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I think scores should be required, period.

The "doesn't test well" is a myth. My son with special needs didn't test well until we got him diagnosed, taught him organizational skills and half-medicated (he couldn't take the optimal dose of meds due to medical concerns, but a little was better than nothing).

Are you really trying to say that kids who don’t test well are lazy or something? Take your asinine theory and shove it.

I don’t think they’re lazy. I just don’t think they should be able to rely on litigious parents who use bulldozer tactics to knock down natural barriers that were designed to match capacity with suitable opportunity.

How can a natural barrier be designed? Do you know how the SAT was actually designed? Do you think it genuinely measures capacity? Do you know how many standardized tests most people take after the SAT?

I didn’t say whether the designer was a mere mortal 🫣

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I”m all in favor of those who don’t test well deciding not to take the SAT or ACT. But I think colleges should require th3 scores for any test taken. I think Georgetown has it right - require all scores. That still leaves the decision with the student and his/her parent. But also allows the colleges to have the most complete information available to make decisions.

But that works against social engineering the class, which is what the schools want. They want URMs and first generations AND the high test scores that can be reported to USNWR. Viola! that is the system we have but no one wants to admit it.

What’s a viola got to do with anything?

Viola players probably get an admissions preference too.

What is the test for viola players? How will they digitize that test😱?

Hey now. Let's not get too high strung.

No reason to fret.

Take a bow for that one.

Really struck a chord, huh?