Colleges should require scores if test is taken

[Anonymous]

All the schools would require scores, if they weren’t reported in USNWR and discoverable in litigation.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I”m all in favor of those who don’t test well deciding not to take the SAT or ACT. But I think colleges should require th3 scores for any test taken. I think Georgetown has it right - require all scores. That still leaves the decision with the student and his/her parent. But also allows the colleges to have the most complete information available to make decisions.

Thanks for sharing. I disagree.

Do you think that students should likewise be able to drop any grades they don’t like in school, and then conceal that information from AOs?

If not, why do you think it’s OK to cloak a poor performance on a standardized test but not a poor performance on a homework assignment or a group assignment or a quiz? Just curious …

This is about what schools want from students to make their decisions. Some schools want essays. Some don’t. Some put weight on scores. Some, like the entire UC system, don’t accept them at all. Some schools only look at weighted GPAs and other only look at unweighted.

Maybe there’s a school that lets applicants pick a class for which they don’t want calculated into their gpa. They would be doing whatever works best for them.

You seem to be trying to control what every school should require for admissions. Why?

Pointing out the incongruity of the system. It’s been distorted by meddlesome parents whose kids test poorly, and now all of us get a lottery ticket. Thanks.

Such a scarcity mindset.

[Anonymous]

I think scores should be required, period.

The "doesn't test well" is a myth. My son with special needs didn't test well until we got him diagnosed, taught him organizational skills and half-medicated (he couldn't take the optimal dose of meds due to medical concerns, but a little was better than nothing).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I”m all in favor of those who don’t test well deciding not to take the SAT or ACT. But I think colleges should require th3 scores for any test taken. I think Georgetown has it right - require all scores. That still leaves the decision with the student and his/her parent. But also allows the colleges to have the most complete information available to make decisions.

Thanks for sharing. I disagree.

Do you think that students should likewise be able to drop any grades they don’t like in school, and then conceal that information from AOs?

If not, why do you think it’s OK to cloak a poor performance on a standardized test but not a poor performance on a homework assignment or a group assignment or a quiz? Just curious …

This is about what schools want from students to make their decisions. Some schools want essays. Some don’t. Some put weight on scores. Some, like the entire UC system, don’t accept them at all. Some schools only look at weighted GPAs and other only look at unweighted.

Maybe there’s a school that lets applicants pick a class for which they don’t want calculated into their gpa. They would be doing whatever works best for them.

You seem to be trying to control what every school should require for admissions. Why?

Pointing out the incongruity of the system. It’s been distorted by meddlesome parents whose kids test poorly, and now all of us get a lottery ticket. Thanks.

Such a scarcity mindset.

Again, the unnatural scarcity was created by parents demanding that colleges and universities abandon a core criterion for admissions decisions that happens to cast their DC in a less flattering light relative to their peers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I”m all in favor of those who don’t test well deciding not to take the SAT or ACT. But I think colleges should require th3 scores for any test taken. I think Georgetown has it right - require all scores. That still leaves the decision with the student and his/her parent. But also allows the colleges to have the most complete information available to make decisions.

But that works against social engineering the class, which is what the schools want. They want URMs and first generations AND the high test scores that can be reported to USNWR. Viola! that is the system we have but no one wants to admit it.

What’s a viola got to do with anything?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I”m all in favor of those who don’t test well deciding not to take the SAT or ACT. But I think colleges should require th3 scores for any test taken. I think Georgetown has it right - require all scores. That still leaves the decision with the student and his/her parent. But also allows the colleges to have the most complete information available to make decisions.

But that works against social engineering the class, which is what the schools want. They want URMs and first generations AND the high test scores that can be reported to USNWR. Viola! that is the system we have but no one wants to admit it.

What’s a viola got to do with anything?

Viola players probably get an admissions preference too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
I think scores should be required, period.

The "doesn't test well" is a myth. My son with special needs didn't test well until we got him diagnosed, taught him organizational skills and half-medicated (he couldn't take the optimal dose of meds due to medical concerns, but a little was better than nothing).

Are you really trying to say that kids who don’t test well are lazy or something? Take your asinine theory and shove it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I”m all in favor of those who don’t test well deciding not to take the SAT or ACT. But I think colleges should require th3 scores for any test taken. I think Georgetown has it right - require all scores. That still leaves the decision with the student and his/her parent. But also allows the colleges to have the most complete information available to make decisions.

Thanks for sharing. I disagree.

Do you think that students should likewise be able to drop any grades they don’t like in school, and then conceal that information from AOs?

If not, why do you think it’s OK to cloak a poor performance on a standardized test but not a poor performance on a homework assignment or a group assignment or a quiz? Just curious …

This is about what schools want from students to make their decisions. Some schools want essays. Some don’t. Some put weight on scores. Some, like the entire UC system, don’t accept them at all. Some schools only look at weighted GPAs and other only look at unweighted.

Maybe there’s a school that lets applicants pick a class for which they don’t want calculated into their gpa. They would be doing whatever works best for them.

You seem to be trying to control what every school should require for admissions. Why?

Pointing out the incongruity of the system. It’s been distorted by meddlesome parents whose kids test poorly, and now all of us get a lottery ticket. Thanks.

Such a scarcity mindset.

Again, the unnatural scarcity was created by parents demanding that colleges and universities abandon a core criterion for admissions decisions that happens to cast their DC in a less flattering light relative to their peers.

LOL. Yeah…

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I think scores should be required, period.

The "doesn't test well" is a myth. My son with special needs didn't test well until we got him diagnosed, taught him organizational skills and half-medicated (he couldn't take the optimal dose of meds due to medical concerns, but a little was better than nothing).

Are you really trying to say that kids who don’t test well are lazy or something? Take your asinine theory and shove it.

I don’t think they’re lazy. I just don’t think they should be able to rely on litigious parents who use bulldozer tactics to knock down natural barriers that were designed to match capacity with suitable opportunity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I”m all in favor of those who don’t test well deciding not to take the SAT or ACT. But I think colleges should require th3 scores for any test taken. I think Georgetown has it right - require all scores. That still leaves the decision with the student and his/her parent. But also allows the colleges to have the most complete information available to make decisions.

Thanks for sharing. I disagree.

Do you think that students should likewise be able to drop any grades they don’t like in school, and then conceal that information from AOs?

If not, why do you think it’s OK to cloak a poor performance on a standardized test but not a poor performance on a homework assignment or a group assignment or a quiz? Just curious …

This is about what schools want from students to make their decisions. Some schools want essays. Some don’t. Some put weight on scores. Some, like the entire UC system, don’t accept them at all. Some schools only look at weighted GPAs and other only look at unweighted.

Maybe there’s a school that lets applicants pick a class for which they don’t want calculated into their gpa. They would be doing whatever works best for them.

You seem to be trying to control what every school should require for admissions. Why?

Pointing out the incongruity of the system. It’s been distorted by meddlesome parents whose kids test poorly, and now all of us get a lottery ticket. Thanks.

Such a scarcity mindset.

Again, the unnatural scarcity was created by parents demanding that colleges and universities abandon a core criterion for admissions decisions that happens to cast their DC in a less flattering light relative to their peers.

LOL. Yeah…

Uh oh … not the LOL?!?!

[Anonymous]

This thread is a mess. It's going to stay a mess. There is no hope for this thread. Abandon all hope, ye who enter here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I”m all in favor of those who don’t test well deciding not to take the SAT or ACT. But I think colleges should require th3 scores for any test taken. I think Georgetown has it right - require all scores. That still leaves the decision with the student and his/her parent. But also allows the colleges to have the most complete information available to make decisions.

But that works against social engineering the class, which is what the schools want. They want URMs and first generations AND the high test scores that can be reported to USNWR. Viola! that is the system we have but no one wants to admit it.

What’s a viola got to do with anything?

Viola players probably get an admissions preference too.

What is the test for viola players? How will they digitize that test😱?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I”m all in favor of those who don’t test well deciding not to take the SAT or ACT. But I think colleges should require th3 scores for any test taken. I think Georgetown has it right - require all scores. That still leaves the decision with the student and his/her parent. But also allows the colleges to have the most complete information available to make decisions.

Thanks for sharing. I disagree.

Do you think that students should likewise be able to drop any grades they don’t like in school, and then conceal that information from AOs?

If not, why do you think it’s OK to cloak a poor performance on a standardized test but not a poor performance on a homework assignment or a group assignment or a quiz? Just curious …

This is about what schools want from students to make their decisions. Some schools want essays. Some don’t. Some put weight on scores. Some, like the entire UC system, don’t accept them at all. Some schools only look at weighted GPAs and other only look at unweighted.

Maybe there’s a school that lets applicants pick a class for which they don’t want calculated into their gpa. They would be doing whatever works best for them.

You seem to be trying to control what every school should require for admissions. Why?

Pointing out the incongruity of the system. It’s been distorted by meddlesome parents whose kids test poorly, and now all of us get a lottery ticket. Thanks.

You seem upset. But you really don't have to be.

To paraphrase one of the all time great cinematic characters, the magnificent Marge Gunderson: "There's more to life than a T20, you know. Don'tcha know that? And here ya are. And it's a beautiful day."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
I think scores should be required, period.

The "doesn't test well" is a myth. My son with special needs didn't test well until we got him diagnosed, taught him organizational skills and half-medicated (he couldn't take the optimal dose of meds due to medical concerns, but a little was better than nothing).

This is YOUR child's experience. I would wager not the norm for other kids with special needs. I want MY child to have the choice to test and decide if the scores are worth reporting not some misinformed parents making a case or schools deciding if they truly understand my kid's accommodations.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I”m all in favor of those who don’t test well deciding not to take the SAT or ACT. But I think colleges should require th3 scores for any test taken. I think Georgetown has it right - require all scores. That still leaves the decision with the student and his/her parent. But also allows the colleges to have the most complete information available to make decisions.

Thanks for sharing. I disagree.

Do you think that students should likewise be able to drop any grades they don’t like in school, and then conceal that information from AOs?

If not, why do you think it’s OK to cloak a poor performance on a standardized test but not a poor performance on a homework assignment or a group assignment or a quiz? Just curious …

This is about what schools want from students to make their decisions. Some schools want essays. Some don’t. Some put weight on scores. Some, like the entire UC system, don’t accept them at all. Some schools only look at weighted GPAs and other only look at unweighted.

Maybe there’s a school that lets applicants pick a class for which they don’t want calculated into their gpa. They would be doing whatever works best for them.

You seem to be trying to control what every school should require for admissions. Why?

Pointing out the incongruity of the system. It’s been distorted by meddlesome parents whose kids test poorly, and now all of us get a lottery ticket. Thanks.

You seem upset. But you really don't have to be.

To paraphrase one of the all time great cinematic characters, the magnificent Marge Gunderson: "There's more to life than a T20, you know. Don'tcha know that? And here ya are. And it's a beautiful day."

Hmmm … well, I’d wager your upbeat, glass is half full, chipper ethos would unravel pretty quickly if you learned colleges were pivoting today and going GPA optional with standardized test results required from all 2024 graduates.

How did I do? Do I keep my $$$?