Oops. You drank the Kool Aid. Many of us have been posting for years that people’s obsession with rankings is so overblown.
My kid chose the lowest ranked of the 7 schools she got into. She loved the sense of community it offered (plus strong academics in her field of interest ). Every student got two advisors. She had her choice of labs to work in. That experience yielded a first author paper (rare for an undergrad) and strong , personalized references. (I am assuming that last part because she landed two prestigious internships). She was a big fish in a small, nurturing pond. She worked hard and took initiative. Your kid should not give up. But perhaps learn also that you can only ride external signs of status so far. In the end, the individual has to earn their achievements every step of the way. |
Funny they thought they could coast after scoring well in high school AP classes! 😂 |
This is so true it hurts. I can think of countless examples over the decades but it's for varied reasons, from burnout to lofty ideals to personality and many other reasons. |
Just because a kid is at school ranked 200, it doesn't mean that they didn't work as hard as your son. There are tons of other factors at play in where a kid chooses to attend school.
Sounds like your son has "pick me" energy and needs to work on that. |
I recently hired an amazing recent graduate for a highly sought after job. This is in the public policy space, but applicants were willing to take pay cuts to get this opportunity. The person we hired went to a school ranked 100-125, but had had a lot of initiative on getting internships that led to a good first job, which led to the reputation that got her the recommendation to interview for this job. I literally had no idea where she went to college when I invited her in to interview because I trusted the people giving me recommendations and was looking for a particular level of initiative for the job. It was a non-issue.
She had no connections but she had a plan and initiative, and she was lucky to be exactly what we were looking for. She will go far. I am asking her for advice for my DC (current freshman) to follow. |
As someone who hires interns, I’d much rather hire a kid from a lesser ranked school, who actually had to work and hustle, than some entitled brat who thinks just because he’s at big name school, I should hire him… |
This. We just interviewed a bunch of seniors for tech jobs. A couple from prestigious schools could not do the tech assessment or describe their projects well. And the kid from a lower ranked state U aced it all and was really personable. All had high GPAs and serious course loads. It takes all kinds. |
And a sense of entitlement, with a soupcon of superiority. |
^^^ This. My DS attends Ivy with good grades and community services but without any internships from IB companies. His cousin attends NC state and plays tennis there, got three internship offers from three different IB companies. One of the alumni is a head honcho at one of the IB companies and he has a lot of connections with other IB companies. You get the point. |
I think people are mixing up examples for statistics. Certainly, not all of these top internships go to kids at Top 20 schools. But there is a huge slant in that direction. Some of the banks and consulting firms do heavy recruiting at those schools, and then have a general pool were kids at non 'target' school can apply. Some of those kids will get in, but they really need to differentiate themselves in that broader population.
OP, to answer your question. 1. Family connections are a real thing. There is actually a formal process where a partner at a top firm can recommend someone they know (I know because my kid got such a recommendation.). It doesn't get you the job, but it gets to past the first 'open-call' round. 2. Many universities build strong relationships with alumni at certain employers. So kids get the kind of recommendation I mentioned above, but through the alumni route. Again, doesn't get you the position, but differentiates you from the crowd. 3. If kids can get a really cool internship through one of the above routes after their first year or even second year, then that makes them more competitive for their pre-senior year internship. So after freshman year, have the kid do something that provides experience and a recommendation, even if it is unpaid. 4. Many state schools will have a pipeline into the regional offices, which can get a kid's foot in the door (particularly useful before junior year). So maybe they're not working for Finance in NYC. But they are in a big bank's regional operations closer to home, which gives them an opportunity to prove themselves. 5. And as PPs have said, if the kid has a lot of ambition and grit, they can network, demonstrate unique skills, etc enough to be in the cream of the crop in the broad 'open call' pool. |
What a crappy topic title, OP. Do better. |
This is a fact. Our firm doesn’t hire Ivy League grads anymore because they lack the work ethic and aren’t team players. |
I enjoyed this thread. Just goes to show T25 not everything!
Also OP, why do you assume that kids at lower rank schools are not just as qualified? |
😱 why do people who weren’t perfect students in middle school ever get any position over an Ivy student? The audacity. I’m totally clutching my pearls right now.
Shouldnt they know by now they are just inferior beings paying rent for the pleasure of serving a cabal of overlords from the Ivies? |
Serious question: Where did each of you attend college ? |