Where would a safe haven for Jewish people be?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I posted upthread and I’m just sitting here, not really believing what I just read. What kind of a bubble does op live in? Op, where do you think it’s safe for PALESTINIANS to live? Not hamas, but the innocent people who have been housed in an outdoor prison, while you’re feeling persecuted in the United States of America. Imagine being black or Muslim or even really Mexican in America? I am really shocked that you are so self unaware. Jews and Israelis have so much support, protection, and sympathy in America.

OP here, and yes, I agree innocent Palestinians, black, Muslim, Mexican, Asian, Hispanic, ----all peaceful humans have the right to live in a land where they feel safe and accepted. It is the extremists who seem to be bringing out the worst in humanity. I am just so sad over the current atmosphere around the globe--- there is so much hate, so much greed, so much misinformation and distrust. I guess I am a mom who wants to be able to raise her children in a world where people believe in the good of others and respect differences and I am feeling defeated right now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm not sure OP - and boy am I sick and tired of smug Christians telling us that we have no right to feel afraid.

I do think the US is probably our safest place right now - but I think there are probably plenty of other places where we'd be fine, too. I don't hear about rising anti-semitism in Mexico - maybe it's happening and I just don't know about it, but it does feel like we could probably just blend in as standard American expats.

Probably many places without a large Jewish population would be fine, or without a history of large Jewish populations, since people in those places (being frank) probably don't have enough experience with Jews to really have cultivated what we're now seeing on college campuses and elsewhere here. I'd imagine we could get by fine in Japan, India, the Philippines, take your pick of other countries that don't have the experience with Jews to have developed this culture of hating us and wanting us dead.

FYI - the way this reads is like, people who have experience with Jews hate us, so we need to keep moving onto new populations, rinse and repeat

Please look at the history of Judaism in the world, and tell me what I've gotten wrong.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm not sure OP - and boy am I sick and tired of smug Christians telling us that we have no right to feel afraid.

I do think the US is probably our safest place right now - but I think there are probably plenty of other places where we'd be fine, too. I don't hear about rising anti-semitism in Mexico - maybe it's happening and I just don't know about it, but it does feel like we could probably just blend in as standard American expats.

Probably many places without a large Jewish population would be fine, or without a history of large Jewish populations, since people in those places (being frank) probably don't have enough experience with Jews to really have cultivated what we're now seeing on college campuses and elsewhere here. I'd imagine we could get by fine in Japan, India, the Philippines, take your pick of other countries that don't have the experience with Jews to have developed this culture of hating us and wanting us dead.

FYI - the way this reads is like, people who have experience with Jews hate us, so we need to keep moving onto new populations, rinse and repeat

I mean, at least you’re able to move. You’re not stuck in an outdoor prison, so that’s positive?

You know, you have so many other places to express how you think Jews the world over get exactly what we deserve.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am not saying this to be be insensitive, or a provocateur. I feel for you, and your family. I am Black. I empathize with feeling marginalized and unsafe. When you parse hate crime data, there are still more anti Black hate incidents in the US than anti Semitic hate incidents (I say this not to minimize anti semitism, but to say that I am not some random white person who has never experienced identity based discrimination). Anti semitic hate crime v. hate crime against other groups feels bigger, IMO, because the Jewish population is smaller (only 7ish million Jews/about 2% of the US population, v 40ish million Blacks comprising 12% of the US population) so the likelihood of individual Jewish Americans having a closer connection to each hate incident is much higher.

This is what I do to help myself put on foot in front of the other every day, especially during more difficult periods. I regularly look at hate crime and police shooting stats as a way to help ground me in the knowledge that while hate is alive and flourishing, the numbers of incidents still make it unlikely that I individually will be the target of a violent hate incident. That doesn't take away my despair for my people as a whole, but it does help me get through difficult days when I begin to feel very anxious about my own personal safety.

There will not come a point in America that Jewish people will truly need to flee for their lives. Jewish people are an integral part of American society. We want you here! I do think your fears for Jewish people globally are valid. At this point, I think America is the safest place for Jews and will remain so for the foreseeable future. This is the safest haven, unfortunately.

“Some random white person who has never experienced identity based discrimination?” Try riding the Metro anywhere around the time school gets out and watch the young scholars of the DCPS harass white and asian riders on an almost daily basis - and yes, it is based on their race when you hear all the racist $hit come out of their mouths. Of course, we do not keep stats on this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm not sure OP - and boy am I sick and tired of smug Christians telling us that we have no right to feel afraid.

I do think the US is probably our safest place right now - but I think there are probably plenty of other places where we'd be fine, too. I don't hear about rising anti-semitism in Mexico - maybe it's happening and I just don't know about it, but it does feel like we could probably just blend in as standard American expats.

Probably many places without a large Jewish population would be fine, or without a history of large Jewish populations, since people in those places (being frank) probably don't have enough experience with Jews to really have cultivated what we're now seeing on college campuses and elsewhere here. I'd imagine we could get by fine in Japan, India, the Philippines, take your pick of other countries that don't have the experience with Jews to have developed this culture of hating us and wanting us dead.

Smug Christians? Honey, the Christians are the only friends you have right now.

And this is why we feel unsafe. Because the same people claiming to be our "friends" are also just fine with this:



This is not a good situation for Jews.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Montgomery County, MD
Baltimore County, MD
Arlington, VA
Parts of NJ

Have you read about the rise of antisemitic incidents since 10/7? Swastikas drawn on/in/around schools? And the Superintendent message and the firestorm that brought on? Jewish parents in MoCo seem very worried right now IMO.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm not sure OP - and boy am I sick and tired of smug Christians telling us that we have no right to feel afraid.

I do think the US is probably our safest place right now - but I think there are probably plenty of other places where we'd be fine, too. I don't hear about rising anti-semitism in Mexico - maybe it's happening and I just don't know about it, but it does feel like we could probably just blend in as standard American expats.

Probably many places without a large Jewish population would be fine, or without a history of large Jewish populations, since people in those places (being frank) probably don't have enough experience with Jews to really have cultivated what we're now seeing on college campuses and elsewhere here. I'd imagine we could get by fine in Japan, India, the Philippines, take your pick of other countries that don't have the experience with Jews to have developed this culture of hating us and wanting us dead.

FYI - the way this reads is like, people who have experience with Jews hate us, so we need to keep moving onto new populations, rinse and repeat

+1 This is not how hate works. Plenty of people who have never met a Jew hold lots of antisemitic views, partially because they have never met a Jew who might shatter their expectations.

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