Where would a safe haven for Jewish people be?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I posted upthread and I’m just sitting here, not really believing what I just read. What kind of a bubble does op live in? Op, where do you think it’s safe for PALESTINIANS to live? Not hamas, but the innocent people who have been housed in an outdoor prison, while you’re feeling persecuted in the United States of America. Imagine being black or Muslim or even really Mexican in America? I am really shocked that you are so self unaware. Jews and Israelis have so much support, protection, and sympathy in America.

Amen

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do you, as an American Jew, really feel unsafe in the US?

Right now. Yes. It’s easy to see why many European Jews waited too long to realize they needed to leave. It’s easy to just go to work and take care of your family and not to think the unthinkable could happen. What’s happening on college campuses is really scary. Antisemitism in this country has been kept under the covers for decades but now people seem to feel it’s ok to speak it out loud. I’m very worried especially if Trump wins in 2024 and we move from a republic to an authoritarian government.

Criticism of Israel’s brutal oppression of Palestinians is NOT antisemitism.

Thank you for saying this. I’ve always been supportive of Israel and I don’t care about religion - I’m agnostic. Right now though, I feel like it’s okay to say you’re not okay with innocent people dying. That doesn’t make you anti new or anti Muslim. It makes you anti Hamas and anti Israeli government.

[Anonymous]

I'm not sure OP - and boy am I sick and tired of smug Christians telling us that we have no right to feel afraid.

I do think the US is probably our safest place right now - but I think there are probably plenty of other places where we'd be fine, too. I don't hear about rising anti-semitism in Mexico - maybe it's happening and I just don't know about it, but it does feel like we could probably just blend in as standard American expats.

Probably many places without a large Jewish population would be fine, or without a history of large Jewish populations, since people in those places (being frank) probably don't have enough experience with Jews to really have cultivated what we're now seeing on college campuses and elsewhere here. I'd imagine we could get by fine in Japan, India, the Philippines, take your pick of other countries that don't have the experience with Jews to have developed this culture of hating us and wanting us dead.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am not saying this to be be insensitive, or a provocateur. I feel for you, and your family. I am Black. I empathize with feeling marginalized and unsafe. When you parse hate crime data, there are still more anti Black hate incidents in the US than anti Semitic hate incidents (I say this not to minimize anti semitism, but to say that I am not some random white person who has never experienced identity based discrimination). Anti semitic hate crime v. hate crime against other groups feels bigger, IMO, because the Jewish population is smaller (only 7ish million Jews/about 2% of the US population, v 40ish million Blacks comprising 12% of the US population) so the likelihood of individual Jewish Americans having a closer connection to each hate incident is much higher.

This is what I do to help myself put on foot in front of the other every day, especially during more difficult periods. I regularly look at hate crime and police shooting stats as a way to help ground me in the knowledge that while hate is alive and flourishing, the numbers of incidents still make it unlikely that I individually will be the target of a violent hate incident. That doesn't take away my despair for my people as a whole, but it does help me get through difficult days when I begin to feel very anxious about my own personal safety.

There will not come a point in America that Jewish people will truly need to flee for their lives. Jewish people are an integral part of American society. We want you here! I do think your fears for Jewish people globally are valid. At this point, I think America is the safest place for Jews and will remain so for the foreseeable future. This is the safest haven, unfortunately.

You are so full of crap.

Well, it is what gets he through daily, so I will take the crap. When I have racing thoughts and fears about my 7yo Black DS who is almost 4'6" in the 2nd grade and assumed to be 10 or 12 by white adults and what will happen to him when he is behaving like a normal boy out in this world, I look at the data and try to breathe.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do you, as an American Jew, really feel unsafe in the US?

Right now. Yes. It’s easy to see why many European Jews waited too long to realize they needed to leave. It’s easy to just go to work and take care of your family and not to think the unthinkable could happen. What’s happening on college campuses is really scary. Antisemitism in this country has been kept under the covers for decades but now people seem to feel it’s ok to speak it out loud. I’m very worried especially if Trump wins in 2024 and we move from a republic to an authoritarian government.

Criticism of Israel’s brutal oppression of Palestinians is NOT antisemitism.

+💯

[Anonymous]

Maybe Germany? Openly expressing support for Palestinians in Germany is illegal and will land you in jail. I still don’t understand why Palestinians have to suffer for Germany’s crimes…

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/10/26/palestine-protest-ban-france-germany/

[Anonymous]

Why is this one of the other? You can say you feel unsafe as a Jew and still acknowledge that other communities feel as or even more unsafe. Frankly right now the only safe group feels like straight white Christian men.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm not sure OP - and boy am I sick and tired of smug Christians telling us that we have no right to feel afraid.

I do think the US is probably our safest place right now - but I think there are probably plenty of other places where we'd be fine, too. I don't hear about rising anti-semitism in Mexico - maybe it's happening and I just don't know about it, but it does feel like we could probably just blend in as standard American expats.

Probably many places without a large Jewish population would be fine, or without a history of large Jewish populations, since people in those places (being frank) probably don't have enough experience with Jews to really have cultivated what we're now seeing on college campuses and elsewhere here. I'd imagine we could get by fine in Japan, India, the Philippines, take your pick of other countries that don't have the experience with Jews to have developed this culture of hating us and wanting us dead.

FYI - the way this reads is like, people who have experience with Jews hate us, so we need to keep moving onto new populations, rinse and repeat

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm not sure OP - and boy am I sick and tired of smug Christians telling us that we have no right to feel afraid.

I do think the US is probably our safest place right now - but I think there are probably plenty of other places where we'd be fine, too. I don't hear about rising anti-semitism in Mexico - maybe it's happening and I just don't know about it, but it does feel like we could probably just blend in as standard American expats.

Probably many places without a large Jewish population would be fine, or without a history of large Jewish populations, since people in those places (being frank) probably don't have enough experience with Jews to really have cultivated what we're now seeing on college campuses and elsewhere here. I'd imagine we could get by fine in Japan, India, the Philippines, take your pick of other countries that don't have the experience with Jews to have developed this culture of hating us and wanting us dead.

FYI - the way this reads is like, people who have experience with Jews hate us, so we need to keep moving onto new populations, rinse and repeat

I mean, at least you’re able to move. You’re not stuck in an outdoor prison, so that’s positive?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am not saying this to be be insensitive, or a provocateur. I feel for you, and your family. I am Black. I empathize with feeling marginalized and unsafe. When you parse hate crime data, there are still more anti Black hate incidents in the US than anti Semitic hate incidents (I say this not to minimize anti semitism, but to say that I am not some random white person who has never experienced identity based discrimination). Anti semitic hate crime v. hate crime against other groups feels bigger, IMO, because the Jewish population is smaller (only 7ish million Jews/about 2% of the US population, v 40ish million Blacks comprising 12% of the US population) so the likelihood of individual Jewish Americans having a closer connection to each hate incident is much higher.

This is what I do to help myself put on foot in front of the other every day, especially during more difficult periods. I regularly look at hate crime and police shooting stats as a way to help ground me in the knowledge that while hate is alive and flourishing, the numbers of incidents still make it unlikely that I individually will be the target of a violent hate incident. That doesn't take away my despair for my people as a whole, but it does help me get through difficult days when I begin to feel very anxious about my own personal safety.

There will not come a point in America that Jewish people will truly need to flee for their lives. Jewish people are an integral part of American society. We want you here! I do think your fears for Jewish people globally are valid. At this point, I think America is the safest place for Jews and will remain so for the foreseeable future. This is the safest haven, unfortunately.

OP here-- thank you for this post- your advise was actually really helpful. I wish we could be friends IRL.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do you, as an American Jew, really feel unsafe in the US?

Right now. Yes. It’s easy to see why many European Jews waited too long to realize they needed to leave. It’s easy to just go to work and take care of your family and not to think the unthinkable could happen. What’s happening on college campuses is really scary. Antisemitism in this country has been kept under the covers for decades but now people seem to feel it’s ok to speak it out loud. I’m very worried especially if Trump wins in 2024 and we move from a republic to an authoritarian government.

Criticism of Israel’s brutal oppression of Palestinians is NOT antisemitism.

Thank you for saying this. I’ve always been supportive of Israel and I don’t care about religion - I’m agnostic. Right now though, I feel like it’s okay to say you’re not okay with innocent people dying. That doesn’t make you anti new or anti Muslim. It makes you anti Hamas and anti Israeli government.

Are you seriously equating Hamas and the Israeli government? And you wonder why OP feels unsafe. Good lord.

[Anonymous]

Montgomery County, MD
Baltimore County, MD
Arlington, VA
Parts of NJ

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I posted upthread and I’m just sitting here, not really believing what I just read. What kind of a bubble does op live in? Op, where do you think it’s safe for PALESTINIANS to live? Not hamas, but the innocent people who have been housed in an outdoor prison, while you’re feeling persecuted in the United States of America. Imagine being black or Muslim or even really Mexican in America? I am really shocked that you are so self unaware. Jews and Israelis have so much support, protection, and sympathy in America.

This is just nonsense. You are saying that since there are other people who live in unsafe environments, or are concerned for their safety, OP shouldn't be concerned?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm not sure OP - and boy am I sick and tired of smug Christians telling us that we have no right to feel afraid.

I do think the US is probably our safest place right now - but I think there are probably plenty of other places where we'd be fine, too. I don't hear about rising anti-semitism in Mexico - maybe it's happening and I just don't know about it, but it does feel like we could probably just blend in as standard American expats.

Probably many places without a large Jewish population would be fine, or without a history of large Jewish populations, since people in those places (being frank) probably don't have enough experience with Jews to really have cultivated what we're now seeing on college campuses and elsewhere here. I'd imagine we could get by fine in Japan, India, the Philippines, take your pick of other countries that don't have the experience with Jews to have developed this culture of hating us and wanting us dead.

Smug Christians? Honey, the Christians are the only friends you have right now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm not sure OP - and boy am I sick and tired of smug Christians telling us that we have no right to feel afraid.

I do think the US is probably our safest place right now - but I think there are probably plenty of other places where we'd be fine, too. I don't hear about rising anti-semitism in Mexico - maybe it's happening and I just don't know about it, but it does feel like we could probably just blend in as standard American expats.

Probably many places without a large Jewish population would be fine, or without a history of large Jewish populations, since people in those places (being frank) probably don't have enough experience with Jews to really have cultivated what we're now seeing on college campuses and elsewhere here. I'd imagine we could get by fine in Japan, India, the Philippines, take your pick of other countries that don't have the experience with Jews to have developed this culture of hating us and wanting us dead.

FYI - the way this reads is like, people who have experience with Jews hate us, so we need to keep moving onto new populations, rinse and repeat

I mean, at least you’re able to move. You’re not stuck in an outdoor prison, so that’s positive?

What a helpful contribution.