2023 SAT scores

[Anonymous]

FCPS is less transparent than it used to be. It's not really open to debate, even if it happens to be the case that VDOE wants to control the disclosure of SOL data. That's one data set, and there's plenty of other data that FCPS chooses no longer to disclose even though it could.

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Does anyone know where one could find previous years' scores?

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Anonymous wrote:FCPS is less transparent than it used to be. It's not really open to debate, even if it happens to be the case that VDOE wants to control the disclosure of SOL data. That's one data set, and there's plenty of other data that FCPS chooses no longer to disclose even though it could.

What other data did it use to release that it no longer does?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:FCPS is less transparent than it used to be. It's not really open to debate, even if it happens to be the case that VDOE wants to control the disclosure of SOL data. That's one data set, and there's plenty of other data that FCPS chooses no longer to disclose even though it could.

What other data did it use to release that it no longer does?

<<crickets>>? Should be easy to answer since you're so certain that it's not even open to debate.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:FCPS is less transparent than it used to be. It's not really open to debate, even if it happens to be the case that VDOE wants to control the disclosure of SOL data. That's one data set, and there's plenty of other data that FCPS chooses no longer to disclose even though it could.

What other data did it use to release that it no longer does?

<<crickets>>? Should be easy to answer since you're so certain that it's not even open to debate.

Some examples:

SAT data - school averages and scores disaggregated by racial cohort

Student ethnic data - used to be posted by early October; no such data available yet for 2023-24 school year (and older data has been scrubbed from school profiles)

School Board - used to post "Next Steps" from work sessions and staff responses (or lack thereof); no longer compiled and posted

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Anonymous wrote:FCPS is less transparent than it used to be. It's not really open to debate, even if it happens to be the case that VDOE wants to control the disclosure of SOL data. That's one data set, and there's plenty of other data that FCPS chooses no longer to disclose even though it could.

What other data did it use to release that it no longer does?

<<crickets>>? Should be easy to answer since you're so certain that it's not even open to debate.

Some examples:

SAT data - school averages and scores disaggregated by racial cohort

Student ethnic data - used to be posted by early October; no such data available yet for 2023-24 school year (and older data has been scrubbed from school profiles)

School Board - used to post "Next Steps" from work sessions and staff responses (or lack thereof); no longer compiled and posted

Student ethnic data is another one that VDOE wants control over.

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Anonymous wrote:FCPS is less transparent than it used to be. It's not really open to debate, even if it happens to be the case that VDOE wants to control the disclosure of SOL data. That's one data set, and there's plenty of other data that FCPS chooses no longer to disclose even though it could.

What other data did it use to release that it no longer does?

<<crickets>>? Should be easy to answer since you're so certain that it's not even open to debate.

Some examples:

SAT data - school averages and scores disaggregated by racial cohort

Student ethnic data - used to be posted by early October; no such data available yet for 2023-24 school year (and older data has been scrubbed from school profiles)

School Board - used to post "Next Steps" from work sessions and staff responses (or lack thereof); no longer compiled and posted

all this data and records are there and available to the public via FOIA.

All we have to know is what to specifically ask for.

And If enough people request the dataor records via FIOA, then They will simply publish the data or records instead of having to individually send It To hundreds or thousands of FOIA requestors.

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Anonymous wrote:FCPS is less transparent than it used to be. It's not really open to debate, even if it happens to be the case that VDOE wants to control the disclosure of SOL data. That's one data set, and there's plenty of other data that FCPS chooses no longer to disclose even though it could.

What other data did it use to release that it no longer does?

<<crickets>>? Should be easy to answer since you're so certain that it's not even open to debate.

Some examples:

SAT data - school averages and scores disaggregated by racial cohort

Student ethnic data - used to be posted by early October; no such data available yet for 2023-24 school year (and older data has been scrubbed from school profiles)

School Board - used to post "Next Steps" from work sessions and staff responses (or lack thereof); no longer compiled and posted

Student ethnic data is another one that VDOE wants control over.

VDOE also publishes student ethnic data. Not aware that it limits the ability of school systems to provide it as well and FCPS did so through the end of the 2022-23 school year. Maybe they'll do so this year as well, but they are slow compared to past years.

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Anonymous wrote:FCPS is less transparent than it used to be. It's not really open to debate, even if it happens to be the case that VDOE wants to control the disclosure of SOL data. That's one data set, and there's plenty of other data that FCPS chooses no longer to disclose even though it could.

What other data did it use to release that it no longer does?

<<crickets>>? Should be easy to answer since you're so certain that it's not even open to debate.

Some examples:

SAT data - school averages and scores disaggregated by racial cohort

Student ethnic data - used to be posted by early October; no such data available yet for 2023-24 school year (and older data has been scrubbed from school profiles)

School Board - used to post "Next Steps" from work sessions and staff responses (or lack thereof); no longer compiled and posted

Student ethnic data is another one that VDOE wants control over.

VDOE also publishes student ethnic data. Not aware that it limits the ability of school systems to provide it as well and FCPS did so through the end of the 2022-23 school year. Maybe they'll do so this year as well, but they are slow compared to past years.

Why do they need to duplicate VDOE's efforts then? FCPS used to do this--VDOE now wants control over it, so they are on VDOE's timeline.

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Anonymous wrote:FCPS is less transparent than it used to be. It's not really open to debate, even if it happens to be the case that VDOE wants to control the disclosure of SOL data. That's one data set, and there's plenty of other data that FCPS chooses no longer to disclose even though it could.

What other data did it use to release that it no longer does?

<<crickets>>? Should be easy to answer since you're so certain that it's not even open to debate.

Some examples:

SAT data - school averages and scores disaggregated by racial cohort

Student ethnic data - used to be posted by early October; no such data available yet for 2023-24 school year (and older data has been scrubbed from school profiles)

School Board - used to post "Next Steps" from work sessions and staff responses (or lack thereof); no longer compiled and posted

Student ethnic data is another one that VDOE wants control over.

VDOE also publishes student ethnic data. Not aware that it limits the ability of school systems to provide it as well and FCPS did so through the end of the 2022-23 school year. Maybe they'll do so this year as well, but they are slow compared to past years.

Why do they need to duplicate VDOE's efforts then? FCPS used to do this--VDOE now wants control over it, so they are on VDOE's timeline.

The FCPS data had been provided earlier and in a more accessible format. Stop making excuses for the increasing lack of transparency. With their $3B budget they should be providing more data, not less.

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Anonymous wrote:FCPS is less transparent than it used to be. It's not really open to debate, even if it happens to be the case that VDOE wants to control the disclosure of SOL data. That's one data set, and there's plenty of other data that FCPS chooses no longer to disclose even though it could.

What other data did it use to release that it no longer does?

<<crickets>>? Should be easy to answer since you're so certain that it's not even open to debate.

Some examples:

SAT data - school averages and scores disaggregated by racial cohort

Student ethnic data - used to be posted by early October; no such data available yet for 2023-24 school year (and older data has been scrubbed from school profiles)

School Board - used to post "Next Steps" from work sessions and staff responses (or lack thereof); no longer compiled and posted

Student ethnic data is another one that VDOE wants control over.

VDOE also publishes student ethnic data. Not aware that it limits the ability of school systems to provide it as well and FCPS did so through the end of the 2022-23 school year. Maybe they'll do so this year as well, but they are slow compared to past years.

Why do they need to duplicate VDOE's efforts then? FCPS used to do this--VDOE now wants control over it, so they are on VDOE's timeline.

The FCPS data had been provided earlier and in a more accessible format. Stop making excuses for the increasing lack of transparency. With their $3B budget they should be providing more data, not less.

I'm not making excuses--I just don't think that's the best use of their time if the data is provided elsewhere and they have to wait on the VDOE's release. VDOE is being very tight with data--ask anyone works in policy. The major changes are VDOE not FCPS.

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Anonymous wrote:FCPS is less transparent than it used to be. It's not really open to debate, even if it happens to be the case that VDOE wants to control the disclosure of SOL data. That's one data set, and there's plenty of other data that FCPS chooses no longer to disclose even though it could.

What other data did it use to release that it no longer does?

<<crickets>>? Should be easy to answer since you're so certain that it's not even open to debate.

The e3 math program has basically zero information on it despite being used in 20 elementary schools.

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Anonymous wrote:FCPS is less transparent than it used to be. It's not really open to debate, even if it happens to be the case that VDOE wants to control the disclosure of SOL data. That's one data set, and there's plenty of other data that FCPS chooses no longer to disclose even though it could.

What other data did it use to release that it no longer does?

<<crickets>>? Should be easy to answer since you're so certain that it's not even open to debate.

The e3 math program has basically zero information on it despite being used in 20 elementary schools.

I noticed that too, which is really disappointing since it appears they want to use it to phase-out AAP math throughout FCPS elementary schools.

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Anonymous wrote:They used to provide a breakdown of SAT scores by ethnic group for each school on the individual school profiles. Then they stopped doing that but put out a press release with the average scores at every high school. Now they aren't even doing that. They don't want you to focus on the disparities among schools. But you can submit a FOIA request if you're interested.

Or maybe they are focusing on handling the teacher shortage and need to lighten the tasks they do. SAT scores are not as important as they once were and fewer students are opting to take them. It's harder to make sense of the testing data given that. But sure clog them up with more FOIAs and create admin workload that then justifies the need for admin.

Equity is their main focus. They have been very clear and open it is their number one priority.

Oh, look. It's the person who mentions equity as the main focus, top priority, etc. b/c w/o any citations or authority to back them up. Just their snowflake sensitivities.

DP - I was told by my SB member that this is the main focus for Reid right now. I was bringing up another issue and basically I was told my issue would not be focused on because Reid is busy trying to close the gap.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the data would be useful. Years ago I noticed that black students at Mount Vernon performed better on the SAT than those at South Lakes. (I don’t have any idea as to the scores today). But it was a gap that on its face made little sense. Reston is a variant of Sweden in America, with all sorts of resources to assist those in need. Perhaps it was an anomaly for a year or two. One could guess that the culture that often surrounds Section 8 housing requires additional diligence and could have accounted for the gap. (A couple at University of Memphis explored these kind of gaps as to criminality and Section 8 but their research has been eclipsed as too sensitive). But there is no way to get at that data to substantiate this. By the way, I think a serious student can obtain a very good education at South Lakes so it is not a statement on the school in general. Transparency in score reporting, however, can be useful.

This is why the data always needs contextualization though--what percentage of black students took the test at Mt Vernon vs South Lakes for instance. What's the SES of each relative group (since that's the greatest predictor of SAT, far more than school attended)? Overall, South Lakes SES is higher, but the Black population SES there is a lot lower due to concentration in Section 8 housing. This is exactly why producing SAT results as a simple table broken down this way ends up being misleading--especially since test optional is lowering participation in ways it never used to. Kids see their PSAT score, know their GPA and decide whether it's worth it to take the SAT or go test optional.

The value is in framing an inquiry and not jumping to conclusions. Given the social support and networks in Reston, the nature of the gap would be a worthy study. If the gaps cannot be closed in Reston, matters are pretty bleak.