CogAt Testing Delayed

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
The parents are telling a 7 year old that a test is more important then spending time with friends and family. And you think that is a good message to send?

We are going to Air Space Mesuens for Halloween events with cousins, and we still play sports, we just skip the camping because of afraid of getting sick in cold night. I thought that was a good compromise.

And dont gaslight people about gerting into AAP after 3rd grade, it is much harder.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Interesting. I wonder what happened? Probably never know.

FWIW, my DS was virtual for 2nd grade and never took the Cogat. Still was accepted into
AAP, even with a mediocre NNAT.

Everyone I know who applied during the 2020-2021 school year got in. Even with kids who clearly don’t need or should be in AAP. It’s gotten much harder since then.

My kid didn't get in! So there goes your theory, a-hole!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Interesting. I wonder what happened? Probably never know.

FWIW, my DS was virtual for 2nd grade and never took the Cogat. Still was accepted into
AAP, even with a mediocre NNAT.

Everyone I know who applied during the 2020-2021 school year got in. Even with kids who clearly don’t need or should be in AAP. It’s gotten much harder since then.

My kid didn't get in! So there goes your theory, a-hole!

No they have a point. It was easier before the "holistic" approach

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
The parents are telling a 7 year old that a test is more important then spending time with friends and family. And you think that is a good message to send?

We are going to Air Space Mesuens for Halloween events with cousins, and we still play sports, we just skip the camping because of afraid of getting sick in cold night. I thought that was a good compromise.

And dont gaslight people about gerting into AAP after 3rd grade, it is much harder.

I don't see anything wrong with trying to avoid getting sick before a test that has real consequences, at least for those who care about this sort of thing. So many arguments on this forum are simply people with different priorities and values who want to assert theirs are the best. You can tell by some comments how little some parents prioritize education relative to other things. And then we act like the "inequities" we see later are solely due to differences in material resources.

Parental involvement--including ensuring a child is ready for a big test--leads to early achievements that then predict important outcomes down the line, even things like whether or not someone even takes AP classes and the SAT. Posters here want to make parents feel embarrassed for their level of involvement, likely only because of envy or to reduce competition.

[Anonymous]

My kid was accepted into AAP. We do care about his academic advancement. He does attend outside supplementation in STEM areas, all his choice. We did not prep for the tests. We had no clue what the NNAT was or why we should care. We had no idea when the CoGAT was happening. He scored high enough on both tests to be in-pool and was accepted on the first round. If you really think that your kid belongs in AAP then there should be no need to prep and stress over the tests.

If you are a parent who is involved and paying attention to your kid then AAP is not that important. It just isn’t that special or different. Advanced Math is the same math that a kid gets at the Center in LIV and effectively acts as LLIV class at most base schools. Do you really think the LA is that different then what the rest of the kids are getting?

If AAP was really advanced and was really setting the kids up for a different kind of success we would see it in HS but we just don’t. Gen Ed kids do well in AP/IB classes. They pass the tests and score high enough for college credit. Some AAP kids take fewer AP/IB classes then their Gen Ed peers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My kid was accepted into AAP. We do care about his academic advancement. He does attend outside supplementation in STEM areas, all his choice. We did not prep for the tests. We had no clue what the NNAT was or why we should care. We had no idea when the CoGAT was happening. He scored high enough on both tests to be in-pool and was accepted on the first round. If you really think that your kid belongs in AAP then there should be no need to prep and stress over the tests.

If you are a parent who is involved and paying attention to your kid then AAP is not that important. It just isn’t that special or different. Advanced Math is the same math that a kid gets at the Center in LIV and effectively acts as LLIV class at most base schools. Do you really think the LA is that different then what the rest of the kids are getting?

If AAP was really advanced and was really setting the kids up for a different kind of success we would see it in HS but we just don’t. Gen Ed kids do well in AP/IB classes. They pass the tests and score high enough for college credit. Some AAP kids take fewer AP/IB classes then their Gen Ed peers.

First, AAP LA and SS/S is different from gen ed (at the good center school, ymmv). Better or worse? No, but it is different.

Second, AAP is not for high school or improving future success. It is for grade school and getting to high school without disengaging and dropping out, which is a real issue for some gifted kids, or being bored and disruptive in a less-fast-paced classroom, which is a real issue for some gifted kids.

None of that is equitable or inequitable. It's just practical, it's pragmatism.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My kid was accepted into AAP. We do care about his academic advancement. He does attend outside supplementation in STEM areas, all his choice. We did not prep for the tests. We had no clue what the NNAT was or why we should care. We had no idea when the CoGAT was happening. He scored high enough on both tests to be in-pool and was accepted on the first round. If you really think that your kid belongs in AAP then there should be no need to prep and stress over the tests.

If you are a parent who is involved and paying attention to your kid then AAP is not that important. It just isn’t that special or different. Advanced Math is the same math that a kid gets at the Center in LIV and effectively acts as LLIV class at most base schools. Do you really think the LA is that different then what the rest of the kids are getting?

If AAP was really advanced and was really setting the kids up for a different kind of success we would see it in HS but we just don’t. Gen Ed kids do well in AP/IB classes. They pass the tests and score high enough for college credit. Some AAP kids take fewer AP/IB classes then their Gen Ed peers.

Yawn. Can we stop rehashing the same arguments that go in circles? If it's not that different, why do so many clamor to get in?

And so what if your kids did well without prep? Nobody cares and it will not change the fact that others feel it's important to do some prep, and it doesn't mean their kids belong less than your supposedly unprepped kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My kid was accepted into AAP. We do care about his academic advancement. He does attend outside supplementation in STEM areas, all his choice. We did not prep for the tests. We had no clue what the NNAT was or why we should care. We had no idea when the CoGAT was happening. He scored high enough on both tests to be in-pool and was accepted on the first round. If you really think that your kid belongs in AAP then there should be no need to prep and stress over the tests.

If you are a parent who is involved and paying attention to your kid then AAP is not that important. It just isn’t that special or different. Advanced Math is the same math that a kid gets at the Center in LIV and effectively acts as LLIV class at most base schools. Do you really think the LA is that different then what the rest of the kids are getting?

If AAP was really advanced and was really setting the kids up for a different kind of success we would see it in HS but we just don’t. Gen Ed kids do well in AP/IB classes. They pass the tests and score high enough for college credit. Some AAP kids take fewer AP/IB classes then their Gen Ed peers.

Yawn. Can we stop rehashing the same arguments that go in circles? If it's not that different, why do so many clamor to get in?

And so what if your kids did well without prep? Nobody cares and it will not change the fact that others feel it's important to do some prep, and it doesn't mean their kids belong less than your supposedly unprepped kids.

DP. I mean, yes, it does, since the program is designed for unprepped kids...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DP. I mean, yes, it does, since the program is designed for unprepped kids...

Actually, the tests (NNAT and CogAT) are designed for unprepped kids. The AAP program is designed for kids who are academically strong, prepped or not.

I get that the NNAT/CogAT are just a data point. A kid who had good NNAT/CogAT score but doesn't do well in gen Ed class is not going to get in AAP, but (from what I heard) a good student might get into AAP with a not-so-good NNAT/CogAT score.

What exactly is prep? My nephew had reading issues in first grade so my sister had some tutoring for him, I am sure everyone is okay with that? And she kept the tutoring for my nephew even he's above grade level now, so now it is bad prep? Come on...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DP. I mean, yes, it does, since the program is designed for unprepped kids...

Actually, the tests (NNAT and CogAT) are designed for unprepped kids. The AAP program is designed for kids who are academically strong, prepped or not.

I get that the NNAT/CogAT are just a data point. A kid who had good NNAT/CogAT score but doesn't do well in gen Ed class is not going to get in AAP, but (from what I heard) a good student might get into AAP with a not-so-good NNAT/CogAT score.

What exactly is prep? My nephew had reading issues in first grade so my sister had some tutoring for him, I am sure everyone is okay with that? And she kept the tutoring for my nephew even he's above grade level now, so now it is bad prep? Come on...

In case you are genuinely asking, prep is specifically for the NNAT and Cogat (and for the old TJ test... ahem).

AAP is for both the kid with good NNAT/Cogat score who is doing well academically and for the kid with good NNAT/Cogat score who is not doing well academically. As well as for kids with medium NNAT/Cogat score who is doing well academically. It's a big program by design - and the design is to include additional kids to be a cohort for the smaller number of actually-gifted kids.