APS Middle School Boundaries?

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Anonymous wrote:I bet they delay it for another year or two. People in pretty much every middle school were furious about having to move, and that eventually is inevitable. But it's easier to just kick the can for a few years.

I haven't heard that much furor. The loudest are a few Taylor parents who don't think their kids should have to move to WMS, but that will likely be ignored as ridiculous. And two Ashlawn PUs that don't want to be carved off the rest of the elementary school, but I think that can pretty easily be fixed. No one else has posted a significant number of comments.


there's a whole long thread on this on DCUM -did you miss that?

I've read the whole thing and this is my take away. There's some grousing that APS should end option programs and other nonsense, but I pretty well summed up the sentiment. The only furor is from a few Taylor parents.


It’s not just a few Taylor parents fwiw.
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Why can’t busers be independent? Confusing to me.

Some of you sound like your kids aren’t this age yet. They ride their bikes all over (including to school) and they are willing to walk all over the place. They will easily walk the distance they’re getting bused on the way home. The bus isn’t the big problem you’re making it out to be.
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Anonymous wrote:Why can’t busers be independent? Confusing to me.

Some of you sound like your kids aren’t this age yet. They ride their bikes all over (including to school) and they are willing to walk all over the place. They will easily walk the distance they’re getting bused on the way home. The bus isn’t the big problem you’re making it out to be.


Because WMS is freaking far away, which is why parents were asking for a neighborhood school for a generation.

It’s too far to bike (and very hilly) and long bus ride by the time they are home it’s late. And the late bus was off the charts late, it dropped them off in the pitch dark.
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Anonymous wrote:I bet they delay it for another year or two. People in pretty much every middle school were furious about having to move, and that eventually is inevitable. But it's easier to just kick the can for a few years.

I haven't heard that much furor. The loudest are a few Taylor parents who don't think their kids should have to move to WMS, but that will likely be ignored as ridiculous. And two Ashlawn PUs that don't want to be carved off the rest of the elementary school, but I think that can pretty easily be fixed. No one else has posted a significant number of comments.


I agree with this. It's really not that big of a deal. The Hamm people are just nuts.


Sure you can call us names, but delaying won’t end end the outrage. The angriest people are those with little kids at Taylor who bought a home walking distance to an elementary and middle school, usually two working parent households where having walkable and independent students is a huge time savings.

We will be angry in two years, angry in 5 years, and likely will STILL campaign against the stupid “bus half the walkzone away” decision in perpetuity.

Kids will waste so much time waiting for and riding a bus needlessly. So this fight will only be over in December if the school board does the right thing, and moves Immersion to the school with the greatest capacity and uses the plan that minimizes bus costs and staffing. That is probably moving it to WMS, but math whizs are welcome to prove otherwise.

Haven't you read your own posts? It doesn't matter how far away MS is located because parents NEVER have to go there and MS students are 100% fine taking the bus by themselves. Transportation isn't an issue by MS, right? That's what Taylor parents are posting.

APS changes boundaries roughly every year. If anyone bought not knowing that, then they should have done more research. It's not exactly a secret.


It’s about independence and wasting time on a longer than necessary bus ride. Taylor students are almost universally ridiculously close to Hamm, and busing to WMS takes a circuitous route through neighborhoods.

It’s okay for option because that is part of the deal which you can always walk away from, to coin a phrase.

People who chose neighborhood prioritized proximity and short commutes to school. They don’t have a fallback.

And boundaries shouldn’t be changing every year, if they would just invest appropriately in facilities rather than blowing the budget on slides and award winning urban schools.


Boundaries don’t change every year. And boundaries changing this time has zero to do with past buildings having amenities you don’t approve of.

Doesn’t even make any sense.


DHMS opened in 2019, 4 years later we are RADICALLY redrawing boundaries. Maybe not “yearly” but incompetence and misguided investment. They should have made HBW bigger when they blew $100M, or maybe enlarged the other middle schools and built them a standard building for $50M.
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Anonymous wrote:I bet they delay it for another year or two. People in pretty much every middle school were furious about having to move, and that eventually is inevitable. But it's easier to just kick the can for a few years.

I haven't heard that much furor. The loudest are a few Taylor parents who don't think their kids should have to move to WMS, but that will likely be ignored as ridiculous. And two Ashlawn PUs that don't want to be carved off the rest of the elementary school, but I think that can pretty easily be fixed. No one else has posted a significant number of comments.


I agree with this. It's really not that big of a deal. The Hamm people are just nuts.


Sure you can call us names, but delaying won’t end end the outrage. The angriest people are those with little kids at Taylor who bought a home walking distance to an elementary and middle school, usually two working parent households where having walkable and independent students is a huge time savings.

We will be angry in two years, angry in 5 years, and likely will STILL campaign against the stupid “bus half the walkzone away” decision in perpetuity.

Kids will waste so much time waiting for and riding a bus needlessly. So this fight will only be over in December if the school board does the right thing, and moves Immersion to the school with the greatest capacity and uses the plan that minimizes bus costs and staffing. That is probably moving it to WMS, but math whizs are welcome to prove otherwise.

Haven't you read your own posts? It doesn't matter how far away MS is located because parents NEVER have to go there and MS students are 100% fine taking the bus by themselves. Transportation isn't an issue by MS, right? That's what Taylor parents are posting.

APS changes boundaries roughly every year. If anyone bought not knowing that, then they should have done more research. It's not exactly a secret.


It’s about independence and wasting time on a longer than necessary bus ride. Taylor students are almost universally ridiculously close to Hamm, and busing to WMS takes a circuitous route through neighborhoods.

It’s okay for option because that is part of the deal which you can always walk away from, to coin a phrase.

People who chose neighborhood prioritized proximity and short commutes to school. They don’t have a fallback.

And boundaries shouldn’t be changing every year, if they would just invest appropriately in facilities rather than blowing the budget on slides and award winning urban schools.


Boundaries don’t change every year. And boundaries changing this time has zero to do with past buildings having amenities you don’t approve of.

Doesn’t even make any sense.


DHMS opened in 2019, 4 years later we are RADICALLY redrawing boundaries. Maybe not “yearly” but incompetence and misguided investment. They should have made HBW bigger when they blew $100M, or maybe enlarged the other middle schools and built them a standard building for $50M.


I literally cannot believe the HBW disaster when the county KNEW it would be approving tons of affordable housing down there. And they are even changing height limitations to allow it to happen. Those kids aren’t walkable to any neighborhood schools. I don’t see how even the biggest APS apologists could explain that one away with a straight face. It’s the worst kind of incompetence.
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Anonymous wrote:Where and when did you hear this?

I’m following and never heard that.


It had been on their website - I'm almost certain of it - but I can't find it now. Either they changed something or I'm going crazy.


Maybe they said that initially before they canceled the immersion round table?


If they don't move the immersion program, then do all the middle school boundaries stay the same?


No I think even more students would need to be moved. Because even more Gunston kids would need to push north.


I know nobody really cares, but this is why it's more important to move the immersion program. Just shuffling the boundaries northward will take away the wealthier neighborhoods from TJ and further exacerbate the economic divide.


People are just throwing anything at the wall that will mean their kid isn't affected at all, which is clearly this bizarro campaign to put immersion at WMS.

PP. Actually, I believe immersion should move to Kenmore.
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Anonymous wrote:I bet they delay it for another year or two. People in pretty much every middle school were furious about having to move, and that eventually is inevitable. But it's easier to just kick the can for a few years.

I haven't heard that much furor. The loudest are a few Taylor parents who don't think their kids should have to move to WMS, but that will likely be ignored as ridiculous. And two Ashlawn PUs that don't want to be carved off the rest of the elementary school, but I think that can pretty easily be fixed. No one else has posted a significant number of comments.


I agree with this. It's really not that big of a deal. The Hamm people are just nuts.


Sure you can call us names, but delaying won’t end end the outrage. The angriest people are those with little kids at Taylor who bought a home walking distance to an elementary and middle school, usually two working parent households where having walkable and independent students is a huge time savings.

We will be angry in two years, angry in 5 years, and likely will STILL campaign against the stupid “bus half the walkzone away” decision in perpetuity.

Kids will waste so much time waiting for and riding a bus needlessly. So this fight will only be over in December if the school board does the right thing, and moves Immersion to the school with the greatest capacity and uses the plan that minimizes bus costs and staffing. That is probably moving it to WMS, but math whizs are welcome to prove otherwise.


Too bad.
Get over yourselves.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I bet they delay it for another year or two. People in pretty much every middle school were furious about having to move, and that eventually is inevitable. But it's easier to just kick the can for a few years.

I haven't heard that much furor. The loudest are a few Taylor parents who don't think their kids should have to move to WMS, but that will likely be ignored as ridiculous. And two Ashlawn PUs that don't want to be carved off the rest of the elementary school, but I think that can pretty easily be fixed. No one else has posted a significant number of comments.


I agree with this. It's really not that big of a deal. The Hamm people are just nuts.


Sure you can call us names, but delaying won’t end end the outrage. The angriest people are those with little kids at Taylor who bought a home walking distance to an elementary and middle school, usually two working parent households where having walkable and independent students is a huge time savings.

We will be angry in two years, angry in 5 years, and likely will STILL campaign against the stupid “bus half the walkzone away” decision in perpetuity.

Kids will waste so much time waiting for and riding a bus needlessly. So this fight will only be over in December if the school board does the right thing, and moves Immersion to the school with the greatest capacity and uses the plan that minimizes bus costs and staffing. That is probably moving it to WMS, but math whizs are welcome to prove otherwise.

Haven't you read your own posts? It doesn't matter how far away MS is located because parents NEVER have to go there and MS students are 100% fine taking the bus by themselves. Transportation isn't an issue by MS, right? That's what Taylor parents are posting. :roll:

APS changes boundaries roughly every year. If anyone bought not knowing that, then they should have done more research. It's not exactly a secret.


It’s about independence and wasting time on a longer than necessary bus ride. Taylor students are almost universally ridiculously close to Hamm, and busing to WMS takes a circuitous route through neighborhoods.

It’s okay for option because that is part of the deal which you can always walk away from, to coin a phrase.

People who chose neighborhood prioritized proximity and short commutes to school. They don’t have a fallback.

And boundaries shouldn’t be changing every year, if they would just invest appropriately in facilities rather than blowing the budget on slides and award winning urban schools.

If your issue is that kids should be able to walk, you're far more likely to get traction by proposing moving Hamm bus riders to WMS. They're already getting on a bus and many were previously zoned to WMS.

There's no way that APS is going to move Immersion to WMS given the feeder patterns, logistics, and equity issues. You can keep beating us over the head with the idea, but that isn't going to change those issues. I'd pivot to a different proposal if you want any chance of staying a walker.
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Anonymous wrote:I bet they delay it for another year or two. People in pretty much every middle school were furious about having to move, and that eventually is inevitable. But it's easier to just kick the can for a few years.

I haven't heard that much furor. The loudest are a few Taylor parents who don't think their kids should have to move to WMS, but that will likely be ignored as ridiculous. And two Ashlawn PUs that don't want to be carved off the rest of the elementary school, but I think that can pretty easily be fixed. No one else has posted a significant number of comments.


I agree with this. It's really not that big of a deal. The Hamm people are just nuts.


Sure you can call us names, but delaying won’t end end the outrage. The angriest people are those with little kids at Taylor who bought a home walking distance to an elementary and middle school, usually two working parent households where having walkable and independent students is a huge time savings.

We will be angry in two years, angry in 5 years, and likely will STILL campaign against the stupid “bus half the walkzone away” decision in perpetuity.

Kids will waste so much time waiting for and riding a bus needlessly. So this fight will only be over in December if the school board does the right thing, and moves Immersion to the school with the greatest capacity and uses the plan that minimizes bus costs and staffing. That is probably moving it to WMS, but math whizs are welcome to prove otherwise.

Haven't you read your own posts? It doesn't matter how far away MS is located because parents NEVER have to go there and MS students are 100% fine taking the bus by themselves. Transportation isn't an issue by MS, right? That's what Taylor parents are posting. :roll:

APS changes boundaries roughly every year. If anyone bought not knowing that, then they should have done more research. It's not exactly a secret.


It’s about independence and wasting time on a longer than necessary bus ride. Taylor students are almost universally ridiculously close to Hamm, and busing to WMS takes a circuitous route through neighborhoods.

It’s okay for option because that is part of the deal which you can always walk away from, to coin a phrase.

People who chose neighborhood prioritized proximity and short commutes to school. They don’t have a fallback.

And boundaries shouldn’t be changing every year, if they would just invest appropriately in facilities rather than blowing the budget on slides and award winning urban schools.

If your issue is that kids should be able to walk, you're far more likely to get traction by proposing moving Hamm bus riders to WMS. They're already getting on a bus and many were previously zoned to WMS.

There's no way that APS is going to move Immersion to WMS given the feeder patterns, logistics, and equity issues. You can keep beating us over the head with the idea, but that isn't going to change those issues. I'd pivot to a different proposal if you want any chance of staying a walker.



Why don’t they have a policy to keep all walkers at middle schools, and then just rotate around the bus population as needed.

Of course options mess that up because they use disproportionate amount of buses.
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Anonymous wrote:I bet they delay it for another year or two. People in pretty much every middle school were furious about having to move, and that eventually is inevitable. But it's easier to just kick the can for a few years.

I haven't heard that much furor. The loudest are a few Taylor parents who don't think their kids should have to move to WMS, but that will likely be ignored as ridiculous. And two Ashlawn PUs that don't want to be carved off the rest of the elementary school, but I think that can pretty easily be fixed. No one else has posted a significant number of comments.


I agree with this. It's really not that big of a deal. The Hamm people are just nuts.


Sure you can call us names, but delaying won’t end end the outrage. The angriest people are those with little kids at Taylor who bought a home walking distance to an elementary and middle school, usually two working parent households where having walkable and independent students is a huge time savings.

We will be angry in two years, angry in 5 years, and likely will STILL campaign against the stupid “bus half the walkzone away” decision in perpetuity.

Kids will waste so much time waiting for and riding a bus needlessly. So this fight will only be over in December if the school board does the right thing, and moves Immersion to the school with the greatest capacity and uses the plan that minimizes bus costs and staffing. That is probably moving it to WMS, but math whizs are welcome to prove otherwise.

Haven't you read your own posts? It doesn't matter how far away MS is located because parents NEVER have to go there and MS students are 100% fine taking the bus by themselves. Transportation isn't an issue by MS, right? That's what Taylor parents are posting. :roll:

APS changes boundaries roughly every year. If anyone bought not knowing that, then they should have done more research. It's not exactly a secret.


It’s about independence and wasting time on a longer than necessary bus ride. Taylor students are almost universally ridiculously close to Hamm, and busing to WMS takes a circuitous route through neighborhoods.

It’s okay for option because that is part of the deal which you can always walk away from, to coin a phrase.

People who chose neighborhood prioritized proximity and short commutes to school. They don’t have a fallback.

And boundaries shouldn’t be changing every year, if they would just invest appropriately in facilities rather than blowing the budget on slides and award winning urban schools.

If your issue is that kids should be able to walk, you're far more likely to get traction by proposing moving Hamm bus riders to WMS. They're already getting on a bus and many were previously zoned to WMS.

There's no way that APS is going to move Immersion to WMS given the feeder patterns, logistics, and equity issues. You can keep beating us over the head with the idea, but that isn't going to change those issues. I'd pivot to a different proposal if you want any chance of staying a walker.


It’s nice you make up “feeder patterns, logistics, and equity issues” as if they are actually a thing.

Option kids can be buses anywhere, and WMS requires the least buses through the system.

As for equity, moving Immersion to the majority Hispanic school sure looks like segregation, but I guess adding diversity to WMS hurts equity? You sure think funny.
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Anonymous wrote:I bet they delay it for another year or two. People in pretty much every middle school were furious about having to move, and that eventually is inevitable. But it's easier to just kick the can for a few years.

I haven't heard that much furor. The loudest are a few Taylor parents who don't think their kids should have to move to WMS, but that will likely be ignored as ridiculous. And two Ashlawn PUs that don't want to be carved off the rest of the elementary school, but I think that can pretty easily be fixed. No one else has posted a significant number of comments.


I agree with this. It's really not that big of a deal. The Hamm people are just nuts.


Sure you can call us names, but delaying won’t end end the outrage. The angriest people are those with little kids at Taylor who bought a home walking distance to an elementary and middle school, usually two working parent households where having walkable and independent students is a huge time savings.

We will be angry in two years, angry in 5 years, and likely will STILL campaign against the stupid “bus half the walkzone away” decision in perpetuity.

Kids will waste so much time waiting for and riding a bus needlessly. So this fight will only be over in December if the school board does the right thing, and moves Immersion to the school with the greatest capacity and uses the plan that minimizes bus costs and staffing. That is probably moving it to WMS, but math whizs are welcome to prove otherwise.

Haven't you read your own posts? It doesn't matter how far away MS is located because parents NEVER have to go there and MS students are 100% fine taking the bus by themselves. Transportation isn't an issue by MS, right? That's what Taylor parents are posting. :roll:

APS changes boundaries roughly every year. If anyone bought not knowing that, then they should have done more research. It's not exactly a secret.


It’s about independence and wasting time on a longer than necessary bus ride. Taylor students are almost universally ridiculously close to Hamm, and busing to WMS takes a circuitous route through neighborhoods.

It’s okay for option because that is part of the deal which you can always walk away from, to coin a phrase.

People who chose neighborhood prioritized proximity and short commutes to school. They don’t have a fallback.

And boundaries shouldn’t be changing every year, if they would just invest appropriately in facilities rather than blowing the budget on slides and award winning urban schools.

If your issue is that kids should be able to walk, you're far more likely to get traction by proposing moving Hamm bus riders to WMS. They're already getting on a bus and many were previously zoned to WMS.

There's no way that APS is going to move Immersion to WMS given the feeder patterns, logistics, and equity issues. You can keep beating us over the head with the idea, but that isn't going to change those issues. I'd pivot to a different proposal if you want any chance of staying a walker.


It’s nice you make up “feeder patterns, logistics, and equity issues” as if they are actually a thing.

Option kids can be buses anywhere, and WMS requires the least buses through the system.

As for equity, moving Immersion to the majority Hispanic school sure looks like segregation, but I guess adding diversity to WMS hurts equity? You sure think funny.

Typing nonsense doesn't make it true. People responded to this stuff for 20+ pages. You may think it's okay to bus option kids anywhere and that's somehow part of the deal when you sign up for your kid to learn two languages, but no one else has to agree with you. Many others think all kids should be treated fairly. And most don't think busing a few Taylor students to WMS, a nearby MS, is inequitable in any way.
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Anonymous wrote:Where and when did you hear this?

I’m following and never heard that.


It had been on their website - I'm almost certain of it - but I can't find it now. Either they changed something or I'm going crazy.


Maybe they said that initially before they canceled the immersion round table?


If they don't move the immersion program, then do all the middle school boundaries stay the same?


No I think even more students would need to be moved. Because even more Gunston kids would need to push north.


I know nobody really cares, but this is why it's more important to move the immersion program. Just shuffling the boundaries northward will take away the wealthier neighborhoods from TJ and further exacerbate the economic divide.


People are just throwing anything at the wall that will mean their kid isn't affected at all, which is clearly this bizarro campaign to put immersion at WMS.

PP. Actually, I believe immersion should move to Kenmore.


What other types of blatant racial segregation do you believe in?
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Anonymous wrote:Why can’t busers be independent? Confusing to me.

Some of you sound like your kids aren’t this age yet. They ride their bikes all over (including to school) and they are willing to walk all over the place. They will easily walk the distance they’re getting bused on the way home. The bus isn’t the big problem you’re making it out to be.


Because WMS is freaking far away, which is why parents were asking for a neighborhood school for a generation.

It’s too far to bike (and very hilly) and long bus ride by the time they are home it’s late. And the late bus was off the charts late, it dropped them off in the pitch dark.


It’s too far to bike. And too hilly. My teen bikes all over this county. That what they do once they want to see friends and go places and can’t drive yet.

You people are embarrassing.
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Anonymous wrote:I bet they delay it for another year or two. People in pretty much every middle school were furious about having to move, and that eventually is inevitable. But it's easier to just kick the can for a few years.

I haven't heard that much furor. The loudest are a few Taylor parents who don't think their kids should have to move to WMS, but that will likely be ignored as ridiculous. And two Ashlawn PUs that don't want to be carved off the rest of the elementary school, but I think that can pretty easily be fixed. No one else has posted a significant number of comments.


I agree with this. It's really not that big of a deal. The Hamm people are just nuts.


Sure you can call us names, but delaying won’t end end the outrage. The angriest people are those with little kids at Taylor who bought a home walking distance to an elementary and middle school, usually two working parent households where having walkable and independent students is a huge time savings.

We will be angry in two years, angry in 5 years, and likely will STILL campaign against the stupid “bus half the walkzone away” decision in perpetuity.

Kids will waste so much time waiting for and riding a bus needlessly. So this fight will only be over in December if the school board does the right thing, and moves Immersion to the school with the greatest capacity and uses the plan that minimizes bus costs and staffing. That is probably moving it to WMS, but math whizs are welcome to prove otherwise.

Haven't you read your own posts? It doesn't matter how far away MS is located because parents NEVER have to go there and MS students are 100% fine taking the bus by themselves. Transportation isn't an issue by MS, right? That's what Taylor parents are posting.

APS changes boundaries roughly every year. If anyone bought not knowing that, then they should have done more research. It's not exactly a secret.


If you can just about physically see a school, it’s usually a safe assumption you’ll go to that school after redistricting. APS is proving to be an acceptation because of course.


Yeah, tell that to the McKinley parents in Madison Manor and Dominion Hills. Sheesh.
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Anonymous wrote:I bet they delay it for another year or two. People in pretty much every middle school were furious about having to move, and that eventually is inevitable. But it's easier to just kick the can for a few years.

I haven't heard that much furor. The loudest are a few Taylor parents who don't think their kids should have to move to WMS, but that will likely be ignored as ridiculous. And two Ashlawn PUs that don't want to be carved off the rest of the elementary school, but I think that can pretty easily be fixed. No one else has posted a significant number of comments.


I agree with this. It's really not that big of a deal. The Hamm people are just nuts.


Sure you can call us names, but delaying won’t end end the outrage. The angriest people are those with little kids at Taylor who bought a home walking distance to an elementary and middle school, usually two working parent households where having walkable and independent students is a huge time savings.

We will be angry in two years, angry in 5 years, and likely will STILL campaign against the stupid “bus half the walkzone away” decision in perpetuity.

Kids will waste so much time waiting for and riding a bus needlessly. So this fight will only be over in December if the school board does the right thing, and moves Immersion to the school with the greatest capacity and uses the plan that minimizes bus costs and staffing. That is probably moving it to WMS, but math whizs are welcome to prove otherwise.

Haven't you read your own posts? It doesn't matter how far away MS is located because parents NEVER have to go there and MS students are 100% fine taking the bus by themselves. Transportation isn't an issue by MS, right? That's what Taylor parents are posting. :roll:

APS changes boundaries roughly every year. If anyone bought not knowing that, then they should have done more research. It's not exactly a secret.




It’s about independence and wasting time on a longer than necessary bus ride. Taylor students are almost universally ridiculously close to Hamm, and busing to WMS takes a circuitous route through neighborhoods.

It’s okay for option because that is part of the deal which you can always walk away from, to coin a phrase.

People who chose neighborhood prioritized proximity and short commutes to school. They don’t have a fallback.

And boundaries shouldn’t be changing every year, if they would just invest appropriately in facilities rather than blowing the budget on slides and award winning urban schools.

If your issue is that kids should be able to walk, you're far more likely to get traction by proposing moving Hamm bus riders to WMS. They're already getting on a bus and many were previously zoned to WMS.

There's no way that APS is going to move Immersion to WMS given the feeder patterns, logistics, and equity issues. You can keep beating us over the head with the idea, but that isn't going to change those issues. I'd pivot to a different proposal if you want any chance of staying a walker.


It’s nice you make up “feeder patterns, logistics, and equity issues” as if they are actually a thing.

Option kids can be buses anywhere, and WMS requires the least buses through the system.

As for equity, moving Immersion to the majority Hispanic school sure looks like segregation, but I guess adding diversity to WMS hurts equity? You sure think funny.


STOP with this argument. First, EL is under the immersion department meaning APS has deemed immersion to have the most and appropriate resources to support EL students. Immersion schools support hispanic families by going above and beyond to support hispanic culture and teach about hispanic cultural figures that aren't necessarily taught in other APS schools. The immersion schools also celebrate hispanic cultural holidays..so you can call it racism but other might call it brining the righr support to where students need it.
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