are the top kids you know even applying to the Ivies and other top 20 schools?

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Anonymous wrote:Plenty of people apply to the Ivies and then keep quiet about it.

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We are only quiet because of the reaction from others. They ask where your kid is applying and if you mention any ivues or top schools you get weird responses and attitudes.

We really don’t care about rejection from Ivies. It’s a lottery. We will buy the lottery ticket (application fee). My son exceeds the academic requirements- grades, test scores, great ECs/recs, 5s on all APs, etc. so it’s not personal if rejected. He understands that and doesn’t have a clear front runner or hopes tied to any particular school which I think is the best way to go about it.

And, of course, he is applying to safeties too. A mixed list.

That's off. When people tell me they're applying to Ivies nothing ever comes to mind.

When people tell me they go/got into an Ivy I think either (1) they're rich (2) took out too many loans and aren't fiscally responsible or (3) poor. But those are just thoughts, not things I say or contort my face to show because I never know which of the 3 it is.

You sound jealous and petty.

I’m happy for friends and family.

Not sure how I'm jealous or petty, seeing as both my husband and I went to an Ivy. Now 2 of my children do and likely the 3rd will too. I was poor. I didn't pay anything or take out loans. My husband's parents paid for his education so he also has no loans. My children, like my husband, benefit from us having the money to afford to be full pay for each of them.

NP here. Sure ya did.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Plenty of people apply to the Ivies and then keep quiet about it.

+1

We are only quiet because of the reaction from others. They ask where your kid is applying and if you mention any ivues or top schools you get weird responses and attitudes.

We really don’t care about rejection from Ivies. It’s a lottery. We will buy the lottery ticket (application fee). My son exceeds the academic requirements- grades, test scores, great ECs/recs, 5s on all APs, etc. so it’s not personal if rejected. He understands that and doesn’t have a clear front runner or hopes tied to any particular school which I think is the best way to go about it.

And, of course, he is applying to safeties too. A mixed list.

That's off. When people tell me they're applying to Ivies nothing ever comes to mind.

When people tell me they go/got into an Ivy I think either (1) they're rich (2) took out too many loans and aren't fiscally responsible or (3) poor. But those are just thoughts, not things I say or contort my face to show because I never know which of the 3 it is.

You sound jealous and petty.

I’m happy for friends and family.

Not sure how I'm jealous or petty, seeing as both my husband and I went to an Ivy. Now 2 of my children do and likely the 3rd will too. I was poor. I didn't pay anything or take out loans. My husband's parents paid for his education so he also has no loans. My children, like my husband, benefit from us having the money to afford to be full pay for each of them.

NP. How do you figure that a 3rd kid will likely end up at an Ivy? Big donor? Another hook?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My kid and many friends are top students.
We're all visiting the same colleges which are those in the 25-75 range. No one seems to be even considering the top tier.
Have you noticed this as well?

"Many" of your kid's friends can't be all top students. For example, about 1/2 of one percent of the 4 million high school graduates get into the top 20 schools. For a high school graduating class of around 600 (typical for FCPS), that's 3 kids. There are not more than a handful of kids in each grade that will be admitted to a top 25 kid. Maybe your "top" net is too wide casting.

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Anonymous wrote:My kid and many friends are top students.
We're all visiting the same colleges which are those in the 25-75 range. No one seems to be even considering the top tier.
Have you noticed this as well?

Visits and applications are not the same thing. It completely makes sense to focus visits in the 25-75 range so you can find good target/safety options. Then you throw in some reach apps. No need to visit those until/if you get accepted.

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Visits are for finding a target/safety you love. If you happen to get into HYPSM+ you can always visit the school then. The only people who I know who are visiting top schools are those who are choosing an ED option (e.g. a top 10 SLAC).

[Anonymous]

People should not hide where they are applying early. More info is helpful.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Plenty of people apply to the Ivies and then keep quiet about it.

+1

We are only quiet because of the reaction from others. They ask where your kid is applying and if you mention any ivues or top schools you get weird responses and attitudes.

We really don’t care about rejection from Ivies. It’s a lottery. We will buy the lottery ticket (application fee). My son exceeds the academic requirements- grades, test scores, great ECs/recs, 5s on all APs, etc. so it’s not personal if rejected. He understands that and doesn’t have a clear front runner or hopes tied to any particular school which I think is the best way to go about it.

And, of course, he is applying to safeties too. A mixed list.

That's off. When people tell me they're applying to Ivies nothing ever comes to mind.

When people tell me they go/got into an Ivy I think either (1) they're rich (2) took out too many loans and aren't fiscally responsible or (3) poor. But those are just thoughts, not things I say or contort my face to show because I never know which of the 3 it is.

You sound jealous and petty.

I’m happy for friends and family.

Not sure how I'm jealous or petty, seeing as both my husband and I went to an Ivy. Now 2 of my children do and likely the 3rd will too. I was poor. I didn't pay anything or take out loans. My husband's parents paid for his education so he also has no loans. My children, like my husband, benefit from us having the money to afford to be full pay for each of them.

I guess I don’t understand your three groups. Ivy grads have little to no loans in general. I guess your definition of wealthy is anyone full pay?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:People should not hide where they are applying early. More info is helpful.

What?
It's an entirely private matter.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Based on Naviance, not at all true at our large public high school. In fact I calculated that 1 out of every 5 seniors at the school applied to Harvard last year. Delusional! And considering nobody has been admitted from our school in the past 7 years, a real waste of time.

I agree I don’t hear a lot of talk about visits to HYP etc but the Naviance numbers suggest tons of kids are applying.

And THAT is what makes Harvard appear "selective" or "highly rejective." No reason to apply to a school if they have rejected your high school for seven years.

I told my kid the same with UNC. They have never selected a person from kid's high school. Why bother?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:People should not hide where they are applying early. More info is helpful.

What?
It's an entirely private matter.

You can end up with large numbers of students from the same school applying to the same places (sometimes where the college isn't even a real top choice, just where a kid thinks they have a good chance). The counselors can't be direct in informing families.
Why stay quiet? People just get paranoid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People should not hide where they are applying early. More info is helpful.

What?
It's an entirely private matter.

You can end up with large numbers of students from the same school applying to the same places (sometimes where the college isn't even a real top choice, just where a kid thinks they have a good chance). The counselors can't be direct in informing families.
Why stay quiet? People just get paranoid.

learn to swim your own lane

[Anonymous]

I do think the numbers are just discouraging. I don’t know if my kid is a top student — based on comments made to me, some other parents seem to think so. But they don’t even want to apply to ivies because they feel like no one gets in unless they have some super-star hook, and the ivies have a lot of extra essays so it’s a lot of work for an anticipated depressing result. Sometimes I wish there was more clarity and it didn’t feel so arbitrary.

[Anonymous]

Yes have definitely seen this. Kids at our top private not applying Ivy or baby Ivy. Including valedictorian. But can’t say they aren’t applying to the next tier within top 25. But not as many.

Call me crazy but in 10-20 years employers won’t looks ivy graduates in the same coveted was as in the past.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yes have definitely seen this. Kids at our top private not applying Ivy or baby Ivy. Including valedictorian. But can’t say they aren’t applying to the next tier within top 25. But not as many.

Call me crazy but in 10-20 years employers won’t looks ivy graduates in the same coveted was as in the past.

Baby Ivy?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yes have definitely seen this. Kids at our top private not applying Ivy or baby Ivy. Including valedictorian. But can’t say they aren’t applying to the [b]next tier within top 25[/b]. But not as many.

Call me crazy but in 10-20 years employers won’t looks ivy graduates in the same coveted was as in the past.

"Rankings and status aren't important to me."

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Anonymous wrote:Yes have definitely seen this. Kids at our top private not applying Ivy or baby Ivy. Including valedictorian. But can’t say they aren’t applying to the next tier within top 25. But not as many.

Call me crazy but in 10-20 years employers won’t looks ivy graduates in the same coveted was as in the past.

Baby Ivy?

i think what is meant by that is Williams and Amherst