Can we please stop with the JKLM
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Anonymous
Yep. I prefer the "not at risk" cut when reviewing the data among schools. But my most preferred way is seeing how far on/off the trend line the schools fall on the scatter plot relative to "at risk" (can open scatterplot separately to enlarge and then click each individual dot to see if performing above/below expected levels). But yeah, folks should stop using "total" numbers to compare schools that are already at the top. For a high SES kid, it generally won't matter much if they're at the #1 or #20 school. |
Anonymous
Demographics are not the same. Lafayette- 72% white Janney- 71.9% white Mann- 65.8% white Key- 64.3% white Stoddert- 59.6% white Murch- 57.6% white Hearst- 51.8% white |
Anonymous
Shepherd and Bancroft also feed to Deal. They often get excluded from these lists because they are 26% and 29% white respectively. |
Anonymous
I know most parents are not teachers but I used to teach at one of these schools and now teach at a title 1 school. The difference really isn’t the teachers are better or the schools are ran better. The difference is literally the circumstances of families. The truancy and tardy rates are lower at these schools. Less ELL students who need more support, no self contained classrooms, lower rates of students with disabilities who need a higher level of modification, etc. If 50% of students from one of these schools switched with the highest level of need students from another, let’s see what would happen lol. I guess I understand but let’s not tell lies that these schools are better, it is mostly the concentration of students with less need and all of these families trying to get to the same MS. Just my thoughts and IMO it was way easier to teach at my last school, I just had more annoying and busy body parents compared to now (most were lovely 75-80% but my current school 98% are). |
Anonymous
+1 |
Anonymous
| As a parent of a black child who does not have IB rights to one of these schools I just would like secure pathway through HS. That’s all. My child would not go to our IB HS. So we are trying to get that pathway early. It’s not that complicated. |
Anonymous
+1 Exactly |
Anonymous
Your point is that white students (who you apparently think are all "rich") do better than Black students so we should rate public schools in DC based on white numbers? That's dumb. 1) Schools vary widely in racial composition. For example, you mention Banneker. That school has 550 kids, with maybe 20 white kids. So, you are going to measure the school by the PARCC results of 4% of the student body, ignoring the the other 96%? That is ridiculous. Plenty of Black students do great at Banneker but we should ignore their success because, according to you, only the standardized scores of whites should be considered? No thanks. 2) Asians do better than whites (and Blacks) on standardized tests. Why not rate DC public schools based on Asian numbers? By your logic, it makes even more sense. For math, just looking at scores for Asians, the top public schools in DC are: Stoddert Yu Ying Hearst Mann Marie-Reed Latin Murch J-R For ELA, just looking at scores for Asians, the top schools are: Eaton Stoddert O-A J-R Lafayette Murch Mann Marie-Reed Murch Latin Seaton |
Anonymous
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Schools have an "at risk" metric and you can use that instead to view how the school is doing for "at risk" vs "not at risk" kids
Unfortunately, there is not a good SES metric to really tease out school performance accounts for differences in student population, yet we also know comparing overall school scores doesn't truly represent what schools are "good" so to speak |
Anonymous
Not the point at all. The point is that “JKLM” do not have a set of kids that have hardships or adversity. The point is they better have high scores because of their demographics. They aren’t doing anything special. In fact, some of them are doing a disservice to some of their disadvantaged students compared to peers. Why are you intentionally being so dense? |
Anonymous
I do live in-bounds for one of these schools and send my kids there, but I disagree with you — these schools get talked about a lot because a lot of DCUM readers live in upper NW. This is basically a neighborhood listserv, but anonymous and citywide. |
Anonymous
These comparisons are a little weird, though — I would certainly hope high schools and middle schools outperform an elementary school on ELA tests, even though I know the scores are comparing like age groups. Am I supposed to be dissatisfied with Janney because its 3rd graders don't score better on reading/writing tests than the sophomores at Walls do on theirs? |
Anonymous
| Rich white people must think their kids have the best because they’re the best. |
Anonymous
Not at all. You’re supposed to acknowledge that your kid’s peers at Ross, Payne, DCB, and Bancroft perform the same as your kids at Janney so let’s stop with the “JKLM is the only way to go” rhetoric. |
Anonymous
| It only bothers me because I think posts are so much more helpful when people actually name the school. |