Why are the service academies so selective?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Because more people are interested in that education and experience than they can accommodate.

But why? We don't currently know any, and we're a military family (dual, at one point in time).

How can you be a dual military family and not know any academy grads?

We know grads. We don't know any teens currently interested in attending (we have two teens of our own).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Because more people are interested in that education and experience than they can accommodate.

But why? We don't currently know any, and we're a military family (dual, at one point in time).

The academies, particularly West Point and Annapolis, have long been regarded as elite schools. There are very few 18 year olds who are fit enough, smart enough, and well-rounded enough to get a Congressional Nomination, which is necessary to be considered for admittance. Upon graduation - debt free - graduates are obliged to serve as officers for four years. The pay isn't bad these days, particulalrly since a young officer has basically no expenses, and the job is probably a lot more interesting than most first jobs. Academy grads tend to get first priority for the more desirable tracks.

The M7 business schools love academy grads. So too does MBB consulting. Not to mention the corporate world. An academy degree probably doesn't do much in tech, but elsewhere it opens a lot of doors. The networking is unparalleled.

It's not for everyone, but for the right kid, it's a great launching pad.

It actually opens a lot of doors in tech. Showing you can get a computer science or engineering degree from one of the academies while balancing the other demands is a huge plus for tech companies. We have a family friend whose kid is majoring in CS at one of the academies. He is a sophomore and has already been approached by tech companies about joining after he is done serving.

LOL. No tech company plans 6+ years ahead.

IBM does. So does Honeywell. Probably many, many others.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because more people are interested in that education and experience than they can accommodate.

But why? We don't currently know any, and we're a military family (dual, at one point in time).

The academies, particularly West Point and Annapolis, have long been regarded as elite schools. There are very few 18 year olds who are fit enough, smart enough, and well-rounded enough to get a Congressional Nomination, which is necessary to be considered for admittance. Upon graduation - debt free - graduates are obliged to serve as officers for four years. The pay isn't bad these days, particulalrly since a young officer has basically no expenses, and the job is probably a lot more interesting than most first jobs. Academy grads tend to get first priority for the more desirable tracks.

The M7 business schools love academy grads. So too does MBB consulting. Not to mention the corporate world. An academy degree probably doesn't do much in tech, but elsewhere it opens a lot of doors. The networking is unparalleled.

It's not for everyone, but for the right kid, it's a great launching pad.

It actually opens a lot of doors in tech. Showing you can get a computer science or engineering degree from one of the academies while balancing the other demands is a huge plus for tech companies. We have a family friend whose kid is majoring in CS at one of the academies. He is a sophomore and has already been approached by tech companies about joining after he is done serving.

LOL. No tech company plans 6+ years ahead.

IBM does. So does Honeywell. Probably many, many others.

Strange, I work in HR for IBM, and this is not true. We'll look into freshmen as regular universities, sure. Not a sophomore with a 4-6 year commitment after graduation. That's almost a decade for things to change!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because more people are interested in that education and experience than they can accommodate.

But why? We don't currently know any, and we're a military family (dual, at one point in time).

The academies, particularly West Point and Annapolis, have long been regarded as elite schools. There are very few 18 year olds who are fit enough, smart enough, and well-rounded enough to get a Congressional Nomination, which is necessary to be considered for admittance. Upon graduation - debt free - graduates are obliged to serve as officers for four years. The pay isn't bad these days, particulalrly since a young officer has basically no expenses, and the job is probably a lot more interesting than most first jobs. Academy grads tend to get first priority for the more desirable tracks.

The M7 business schools love academy grads. So too does MBB consulting. Not to mention the corporate world. An academy degree probably doesn't do much in tech, but elsewhere it opens a lot of doors. The networking is unparalleled.

It's not for everyone, but for the right kid, it's a great launching pad.

It actually opens a lot of doors in tech. Showing you can get a computer science or engineering degree from one of the academies while balancing the other demands is a huge plus for tech companies. We have a family friend whose kid is majoring in CS at one of the academies. He is a sophomore and has already been approached by tech companies about joining after he is done serving.

LOL. No tech company plans 6+ years ahead.

IBM does. So does Honeywell. Probably many, many others.

Strange, I work in HR for IBM, and this is not true. We'll look into freshmen as regular universities, sure. Not a sophomore with a 4-6 year commitment after graduation. That's almost a decade for things to change!

That IS strange considering the timeline IBM is working on for this vertical. Seems like maybe you aren't on the team building IBM's future?



You should probably check to see if you aren't being left out of the loop...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because more people are interested in that education and experience than they can accommodate.

But why? We don't currently know any, and we're a military family (dual, at one point in time).

The academies, particularly West Point and Annapolis, have long been regarded as elite schools. There are very few 18 year olds who are fit enough, smart enough, and well-rounded enough to get a Congressional Nomination, which is necessary to be considered for admittance. Upon graduation - debt free - graduates are obliged to serve as officers for four years. The pay isn't bad these days, particulalrly since a young officer has basically no expenses, and the job is probably a lot more interesting than most first jobs. Academy grads tend to get first priority for the more desirable tracks.

The M7 business schools love academy grads. So too does MBB consulting. Not to mention the corporate world. An academy degree probably doesn't do much in tech, but elsewhere it opens a lot of doors. The networking is unparalleled.

It's not for everyone, but for the right kid, it's a great launching pad.

It actually opens a lot of doors in tech. Showing you can get a computer science or engineering degree from one of the academies while balancing the other demands is a huge plus for tech companies. We have a family friend whose kid is majoring in CS at one of the academies. He is a sophomore and has already been approached by tech companies about joining after he is done serving.

LOL. No tech company plans 6+ years ahead.

IBM does. So does Honeywell. Probably many, many others.

Strange, I work in HR for IBM, and this is not true. We'll look into freshmen as regular universities, sure. Not a sophomore with a 4-6 year commitment after graduation. That's almost a decade for things to change!

That IS strange considering the timeline IBM is working on for this vertical. Seems like maybe you aren't on the team building IBM's future?



You should probably check to see if you aren't being left out of the loop...

LOL, I'm not out of the loop. And I assure you, no one is speaking with individual sophomore students with a post-grad military commitment right now.

[Anonymous]

I know of one three letter agency in the DC area that pipelines kids as early as junior year of high school. Especially the kids who love math and computer science. Recruiting for 6+ years in the future is absolutely a thing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I know of one three letter agency in the DC area that pipelines kids as early as junior year of high school. Especially the kids who love math and computer science. Recruiting for 6+ years in the future is absolutely a thing.

Kids relented enough to stand out in CS in high school aren’t working for government salaries

[Anonymous]

It’s funny to hear posters suggest that the admit rate is actually higher than advertised because you have to have certain physical requirements as a threshold. Not everybody has those requirements and that’s part of the reason why it’s so selective.

That’s like saying a division 1 athletic scholarship isn’t really that hard to get because you have to be really good at sports to get it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s funny to hear posters suggest that the admit rate is actually higher than advertised because you have to have certain physical requirements as a threshold. Not everybody has those requirements and that’s part of the reason why it’s so selective.

That’s like saying a division 1 athletic scholarship isn’t really that hard to get because you have to be really good at sports to get it.

Strawman argument. The acceptance rates are juiced because they include in the denominator everyone who ever clicked "apply" on the website, regardless of how little of the application they completed before abandoning it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Published July 2023:

"The West Point Acceptance Rate originates from the total number of applicants that start files with the West Point Admissions team. This doesn’t include qualified candidates, only students who are interested in attending. They haven’t received a congressional nomination yet or gone through any of the admissions processes. From a recent class profile, this totals 12,294.

Since only 1,210 were admitted, this leads the public to believe that the admissions rate was 9.8%.

In reality, only 2,228 were qualified academically and in physical aptitude according to the admissions team. This results in a much higher acceptance rate of 54% if you are qualified."

Published where? How do they get away with this?

Applying to West Point, Annapolis, or the Air Force Academy is not like applying to a normal school. You have the fitness tests to begin with. That eliminates nearly 80 percent of all 18 year olds. And then there's the Congressional Nomination, which is very difficult to get. Very few kids receive one. But once you have it - if I recall - the odds of getting into an academy are about 50 percent.

So it's not like applying to Penn or wherever. West Point doesn't receive 10,000 applications and simply chooses the best 1000. It's a layered process and potential applicants are eliminated along the way before they even get a chance to formally apply. Getting a Congressional Nomination is key. And they're not handed out like candy. There are panels and all sorts of hoops to go through. Anyone that gets one is a very accomplished young person.

Stop. There are other nomination paths, and one academy that doesn't require one at all.

*snort* Yeah. The Coast Guard Academy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s funny to hear posters suggest that the admit rate is actually higher than advertised because you have to have certain physical requirements as a threshold. Not everybody has those requirements and that’s part of the reason why it’s so selective.

That’s like saying a division 1 athletic scholarship isn’t really that hard to get because you have to be really good at sports to get it.

Strawman argument. The acceptance rates are juiced because they include in the denominator everyone who ever clicked "apply" on the website, regardless of how little of the application they completed before abandoning it.

Right. Because they knew they couldn’t make the cut.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Published July 2023:

"The West Point Acceptance Rate originates from the total number of applicants that start files with the West Point Admissions team. This doesn’t include qualified candidates, only students who are interested in attending. They haven’t received a congressional nomination yet or gone through any of the admissions processes. From a recent class profile, this totals 12,294.

Since only 1,210 were admitted, this leads the public to believe that the admissions rate was 9.8%.

In reality, only 2,228 were qualified academically and in physical aptitude according to the admissions team. This results in a much higher acceptance rate of 54% if you are qualified."

Published where? How do they get away with this?

Applying to West Point, Annapolis, or the Air Force Academy is not like applying to a normal school. You have the fitness tests to begin with. That eliminates nearly 80 percent of all 18 year olds. And then there's the Congressional Nomination, which is very difficult to get. Very few kids receive one. But once you have it - if I recall - the odds of getting into an academy are about 50 percent.

So it's not like applying to Penn or wherever. West Point doesn't receive 10,000 applications and simply chooses the best 1000. It's a layered process and potential applicants are eliminated along the way before they even get a chance to formally apply. Getting a Congressional Nomination is key. And they're not handed out like candy. There are panels and all sorts of hoops to go through. Anyone that gets one is a very accomplished young person.

Stop. There are other nomination paths, and one academy that doesn't require one at all.

*snort* Yeah. The Coast Guard Academy.

Tell us you aren't wealthy enough to own a leisure boat without saying you aren't wealthy enough to own a leisure boat.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Published July 2023:

"The West Point Acceptance Rate originates from the total number of applicants that start files with the West Point Admissions team. This doesn’t include qualified candidates, only students who are interested in attending. They haven’t received a congressional nomination yet or gone through any of the admissions processes. From a recent class profile, this totals 12,294.

Since only 1,210 were admitted, this leads the public to believe that the admissions rate was 9.8%.

In reality, only 2,228 were qualified academically and in physical aptitude according to the admissions team. This results in a much higher acceptance rate of 54% if you are qualified."

Published where? How do they get away with this?

Applying to West Point, Annapolis, or the Air Force Academy is not like applying to a normal school. You have the fitness tests to begin with. That eliminates nearly 80 percent of all 18 year olds. And then there's the Congressional Nomination, which is very difficult to get. Very few kids receive one. But once you have it - if I recall - the odds of getting into an academy are about 50 percent.

So it's not like applying to Penn or wherever. West Point doesn't receive 10,000 applications and simply chooses the best 1000. It's a layered process and potential applicants are eliminated along the way before they even get a chance to formally apply. Getting a Congressional Nomination is key. And they're not handed out like candy. There are panels and all sorts of hoops to go through. Anyone that gets one is a very accomplished young person.

Stop. There are other nomination paths, and one academy that doesn't require one at all.

*snort* Yeah. The Coast Guard Academy.

Aw, still bitter you didn't get in?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Published July 2023:

"The West Point Acceptance Rate originates from the total number of applicants that start files with the West Point Admissions team. This doesn’t include qualified candidates, only students who are interested in attending. They haven’t received a congressional nomination yet or gone through any of the admissions processes. From a recent class profile, this totals 12,294.

Since only 1,210 were admitted, this leads the public to believe that the admissions rate was 9.8%.

In reality, only 2,228 were qualified academically and in physical aptitude according to the admissions team. This results in a much higher acceptance rate of 54% if you are qualified."

Published where? How do they get away with this?

Applying to West Point, Annapolis, or the Air Force Academy is not like applying to a normal school. You have the fitness tests to begin with. That eliminates nearly 80 percent of all 18 year olds. And then there's the Congressional Nomination, which is very difficult to get. Very few kids receive one. But once you have it - if I recall - the odds of getting into an academy are about 50 percent.

So it's not like applying to Penn or wherever. West Point doesn't receive 10,000 applications and simply chooses the best 1000. It's a layered process and potential applicants are eliminated along the way before they even get a chance to formally apply. Getting a Congressional Nomination is key. And they're not handed out like candy. There are panels and all sorts of hoops to go through. Anyone that gets one is a very accomplished young person.

Stop. There are other nomination paths, and one academy that doesn't require one at all.

*snort* Yeah. The Coast Guard Academy.

Anybody remember this video of a Coast Guard sailor climbing on top of a narco sub packed with cocaine? That thing was submerging and he subdued it.



Laugh at the Coast Guard if you like but if your kids aren't stepping up like this then you are missing the big picture.

If you haven't been victimized by a junkie recently maybe you should be grateful?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s funny to hear posters suggest that the admit rate is actually higher than advertised because you have to have certain physical requirements as a threshold. Not everybody has those requirements and that’s part of the reason why it’s so selective.

That’s like saying a division 1 athletic scholarship isn’t really that hard to get because you have to be really good at sports to get it.

Strawman argument. The acceptance rates are juiced because they include in the denominator everyone who ever clicked "apply" on the website, regardless of how little of the application they completed before abandoning it.

Right. Because they knew they couldn’t make the cut.

1. I'd bet more kids abandon SA apps because they decide they don't want the lifestyle than because they lose hope they'll be admitted. 2. Even if 100% of abandoned apps were due to the latter, it's still inaccurate to count them as "applications" when calculating the percentage of applicants admitted. Because, you know, they didn't actually apply.