dual enrollment courses at TJHSST

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I would be surprised if they had any. DE is generally considered a level below AP and TJ advertises itself as above AP levels.

Dual Enrollment is not below AP. DE is literally taking a college course in lieu of an FCPS high school class. While you might get credit at a university for taking AP Literature, you are guaranteed to get credit if you take and pass DE English 111/112 at Northern Virginia Community College.

No, you are not. Some colleges might demand a list of readings and the syllabus and exams and decide it's not rigorous enough, or they might have a general policy of not awarding credit for any classes taken for HS credit, DE or otherwise.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:TJ does have a few DE math courses but they are not taught by TJ teachers and considered below the TJ ones. It is counterintuitive.

There is no universe where complex analysis and Diff Eq are considered below AP Calc. They’re also taught by GMU professors.

The comment you're replying to didn't say anything about DE being considered below AP; they said DE was considered below TJ courses. There is a universe where complex analysis and Diff Eq from GMU are considered below complex analysis and Diff Eq from TJ.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Unless something has recently changed, the DE math classes are not taught by GMU faculty. When my kids took the classes, they were taught by TJ teachers at TJ during regular school hours.

You then get GMU credit (DE) if you elect/register and pay for it. I think only linear, diffE, and mvc were eligible. Definitely not Complex.

I think it's maybe only worth it if you go in-state. Private, selective colleges most likely difficult to get any credit because a) the classes are not taught at GMU b) as with any college-course credit, they will want to compare syllabus c) highly-selective schools don't really grant credit. I think VA in-state colleges recognize GMU DE credits but you should double-check.

MIT will give credit.

And not if they don't pay?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:DD graduated TJ with 4 DE classes. We paid GMU about $2,000 for those. Her college didn't accept any of them because they only accept when a class is taught at college, not high school.

Which college? I would defer to TJ's reputation, especially when giving credit for AP classes taught in high school.

Colleges don't give credit for AP classes taught in high school, but instead for a high enough score on an AP exam. So it's a bit of an apples and oranges situation

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is dual enrollment just taking a class at college and getting high school credit? I heard in Maryland, students can take an entire year of high school at a college, and will graduate having completed a year's worth of credits.

Yes

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I did not realize FCPS makes families pay for DE. So two kids take the exact same course, but only the one whose family has more disposable income gets college credit for it? Seems like a terrible arrangement.

DE Courses taken at an FCPS high school are provided at no cost to the student.
Concurrent courses (Independent Dual Enrollment) taken at a NOVA campus or through NOVA online require in-state tuition per NOVA’s Tuition & Fees.

The TJ course and grades didn't cost anything. To get the credit from George Mason cost a few hundred dollars if the student wanted that piece of paper - this was 2018.

My DC took Multivariable Calc/Linear Alg DE at Oakton. It was taught at the HS. If he wanted college credit, he had to apply to George Mason (easy app) and pay a couple of hundred dollars. It did work for college credit at an out of state public university.

My TJ student took a NOVA class. He received DE credit. He had to apply as a DE student to NOVA and FCPS was involved with the application/enrollment process. It was a straight on NOVA class. I believe I paid more for the NOVA class than the GMU class.

[Anonymous]

Stanford also gives credit. Took a psychology 101-type class, to fulfill a requirement, at the local community college. Credit transferred.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Unless something has recently changed, the DE math classes are not taught by GMU faculty. When my kids took the classes, they were taught by TJ teachers at TJ during regular school hours.

You then get GMU credit (DE) if you elect/register and pay for it. I think only linear, diffE, and mvc were eligible. Definitely not Complex.

I think it's maybe only worth it if you go in-state. Private, selective colleges most likely difficult to get any credit because a) the classes are not taught at GMU b) as with any college-course credit, they will want to compare syllabus c) highly-selective schools don't really grant credit. I think VA in-state colleges recognize GMU DE credits but you should double-check.

MIT will give credit.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I did not realize FCPS makes families pay for DE. So two kids take the exact same course, but only the one whose family has more disposable income gets college credit for it? Seems like a terrible arrangement.

DE Courses taken at an FCPS high school are provided at no cost to the student.
Concurrent courses (Independent Dual Enrollment) taken at a NOVA campus or through NOVA online require in-state tuition per NOVA’s Tuition & Fees.

The TJ course and grades didn't cost anything. To get the credit from George Mason cost a few hundred dollars if the student wanted that piece of paper - this was 2018.

My DC took Multivariable Calc/Linear Alg DE at Oakton. It was taught at the HS. If he wanted college credit, he had to apply to George Mason (easy app) and pay a couple of hundred dollars. It did work for college credit at an out of state public university.

My TJ student took a NOVA class. He received DE credit. He had to apply as a DE student to NOVA and FCPS was involved with the application/enrollment process. It was a straight on NOVA class. I believe I paid more for the NOVA class than the GMU class.

What NOVA class was it?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Unless something has recently changed, the DE math classes are not taught by GMU faculty. When my kids took the classes, they were taught by TJ teachers at TJ during regular school hours.

You then get GMU credit (DE) if you elect/register and pay for it. I think only linear, diffE, and mvc were eligible. Definitely not Complex.

I think it's maybe only worth it if you go in-state. Private, selective colleges most likely difficult to get any credit because a) the classes are not taught at GMU b) as with any college-course credit, they will want to compare syllabus c) highly-selective schools don't really grant credit. I think VA in-state colleges recognize GMU DE credits but you should double-check.

MIT will give credit.

And not if they don't pay?

I thought the poster was saying top colleges will not give credit for college classes. Taught in school, I think the student can still apply to the math department which will review the syllabus. I suspect MIT is likely to grant credit for a class taught at TJ, but not as certain.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Unless something has recently changed, the DE math classes are not taught by GMU faculty. When my kids took the classes, they were taught by TJ teachers at TJ during regular school hours.

You then get GMU credit (DE) if you elect/register and pay for it. I think only linear, diffE, and mvc were eligible. Definitely not Complex.

I think it's maybe only worth it if you go in-state. Private, selective colleges most likely difficult to get any credit because a) the classes are not taught at GMU b) as with any college-course credit, they will want to compare syllabus c) highly-selective schools don't really grant credit. I think VA in-state colleges recognize GMU DE credits but you should double-check.

MIT will give credit.

And not if they don't pay?

I thought the poster was saying top colleges will not give credit for college classes. Taught in school, I think the student can still apply to the math department which will review the syllabus. I suspect MIT is likely to grant credit for a class taught at TJ, but not as certain.

MIT only gives credit for standardized exams; either AP, or IB, or MIT final exams taken before the class starts. No DE credit.

https://mitadmissions.org/help/faq/ap-ib-college-credit/

They also claim to not consider college level courses as a bonus in admissions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Unless something has recently changed, the DE math classes are not taught by GMU faculty. When my kids took the classes, they were taught by TJ teachers at TJ during regular school hours.

You then get GMU credit (DE) if you elect/register and pay for it. I think only linear, diffE, and mvc were eligible. Definitely not Complex.

I think it's maybe only worth it if you go in-state. Private, selective colleges most likely difficult to get any credit because a) the classes are not taught at GMU b) as with any college-course credit, they will want to compare syllabus c) highly-selective schools don't really grant credit. I think VA in-state colleges recognize GMU DE credits but you should double-check.

MIT will give credit.

And not if they don't pay?

I thought the poster was saying top colleges will not give credit for college classes. Taught in school, I think the student can still apply to the math department which will review the syllabus. I suspect MIT is likely to grant credit for a class taught at TJ, but not as certain.

MIT only gives credit for standardized exams; either AP, or IB, or MIT final exams taken before the class starts. No DE credit.

https://mitadmissions.org/help/faq/ap-ib-college-credit/

They also claim to not consider college level courses as a bonus in admissions.

'commonly'

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I did not realize FCPS makes families pay for DE. So two kids take the exact same course, but only the one whose family has more disposable income gets college credit for it? Seems like a terrible arrangement.

DE Courses taken at an FCPS high school are provided at no cost to the student.
Concurrent courses (Independent Dual Enrollment) taken at a NOVA campus or through NOVA online require in-state tuition per NOVA’s Tuition & Fees.

The TJ course and grades didn't cost anything. To get the credit from George Mason cost a few hundred dollars if the student wanted that piece of paper - this was 2018.

My DC took Multivariable Calc/Linear Alg DE at Oakton. It was taught at the HS. If he wanted college credit, he had to apply to George Mason (easy app) and pay a couple of hundred dollars. It did work for college credit at an out of state public university.

My TJ student took a NOVA class. He received DE credit. He had to apply as a DE student to NOVA and FCPS was involved with the application/enrollment process. It was a straight on NOVA class. I believe I paid more for the NOVA class than the GMU class.

What NOVA class was it?

NOVA MTH265 (Calculus III) = FCPS Multivariable Calculus DE 3178DE

[Anonymous]

Might have been GMU in the past...however, currently DE Multi at TJ is offered through JMU. Taught by a TJ teacher at TJ. Only some students in the class opt to go the DE route. Not all. Same material either way.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would be surprised if they had any. DE is generally considered a level below AP and TJ advertises itself as above AP levels.

Dual Enrollment is not below AP. DE is literally taking a college course in lieu of an FCPS high school class. While you might get credit at a university for taking AP Literature, you are guaranteed to get credit if you take and pass DE English 111/112 at Northern Virginia Community College.

No, you are not. Some colleges might demand a list of readings and the syllabus and exams and decide it's not rigorous enough, or they might have a general policy of not awarding credit for any classes taken for HS credit, DE or otherwise.

Absolutely no college is going to demand the exams from another institution.