dual enrollment courses at TJHSST

[Anonymous]

My kid took multivariable calculus which was taught by a TJ teacher at TJ. Kids had the choice to pay for dual enrolment credit with George Mason.

The final exam for the course was the George Mason paper, which was way easier than any of the tests during the school year, and raised her final grade significantly.

[Anonymous]

I did not realize FCPS makes families pay for DE. So two kids take the exact same course, but only the one whose family has more disposable income gets college credit for it? Seems like a terrible arrangement.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I did not realize FCPS makes families pay for DE. So two kids take the exact same course, but only the one whose family has more disposable income gets college credit for it? Seems like a terrible arrangement.

DE Courses taken at an FCPS high school are provided at no cost to the student.
Concurrent courses (Independent Dual Enrollment) taken at a NOVA campus or through NOVA online require in-state tuition per NOVA’s Tuition & Fees.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My kid took multivariable calculus which was taught by a TJ teacher at TJ. Kids had the choice to pay for dual enrolment credit with George Mason.

The final exam for the course was the George Mason paper, which was way easier than any of the tests during the school year, and raised her final grade significantly.

Academic rigor at TJ is comparable to that of at top STEM universities/colleges, not that of GMU/NVCC. Putting aside the tiny few DE students, GMU/NVCC exist to serve the vast majority of average students who do not want to be subjected to harvard/mit or even T100 like rigor. If GMU/NVCC starts enforcing TJ like rigor, then they would be discouraging its vast student population from continuing there.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My kid took multivariable calculus which was taught by a TJ teacher at TJ. Kids had the choice to pay for dual enrolment credit with George Mason.

The final exam for the course was the George Mason paper, which was way easier than any of the tests during the school year, and raised her final grade significantly.

Academic rigor at TJ is comparable to that of at top STEM universities/colleges, not that of GMU/NVCC. Putting aside the tiny few DE students, GMU/NVCC exist to serve the vast majority of average students who do not want to be subjected to harvard/mit or even T100 like rigor. If GMU/NVCC starts enforcing TJ like rigor, then they would be discouraging its vast student population from continuing there.

Sort of. There's rigor and there is thoroughness. Semester classes in highschool generally can't cover a college semester, since high school has 7 classes per semester.

Some classes are mini courses they preview the material in one semester, and some courses give a full treatment, usually over a full year for a semester class.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My kid took multivariable calculus which was taught by a TJ teacher at TJ. Kids had the choice to pay for dual enrolment credit with George Mason.

The final exam for the course was the George Mason paper, which was way easier than any of the tests during the school year, and raised her final grade significantly.

Was there an extra cost to this class and can you decide DE at any time?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I did not realize FCPS makes families pay for DE. So two kids take the exact same course, but only the one whose family has more disposable income gets college credit for it? Seems like a terrible arrangement.

DE Courses taken at an FCPS high school are provided at no cost to the student.
Concurrent courses (Independent Dual Enrollment) taken at a NOVA campus or through NOVA online require in-state tuition per NOVA’s Tuition & Fees.

The TJ course and grades didn't cost anything. To get the credit from George Mason cost a few hundred dollars if the student wanted that piece of paper - this was 2018.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My kid took multivariable calculus which was taught by a TJ teacher at TJ. Kids had the choice to pay for dual enrolment credit with George Mason.

The final exam for the course was the George Mason paper, which was way easier than any of the tests during the school year, and raised her final grade significantly.

Academic rigor at TJ is comparable to that of at top STEM universities/colleges, not that of GMU/NVCC. Putting aside the tiny few DE students, GMU/NVCC exist to serve the vast majority of average students who do not want to be subjected to harvard/mit or even T100 like rigor. If GMU/NVCC starts enforcing TJ like rigor, then they would be discouraging its vast student population from continuing there.

Sure, but it's scary to see this in action when your kid is getting a B at TJ. They might be thinking they are dumb, and see the B dragging down their GPA and college chances. Then when they go and do the George Mason final, they miraculously get 100% plus bonus points to bring them back to A territory at TJ. George Mason warns their students that this is a hard class, so clearly TJ is teaching it to a much higher level still.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I did not realize FCPS makes families pay for DE. So two kids take the exact same course, but only the one whose family has more disposable income gets college credit for it? Seems like a terrible arrangement.

DE Courses taken at an FCPS high school are provided at no cost to the student.
Concurrent courses (Independent Dual Enrollment) taken at a NOVA campus or through NOVA online require in-state tuition per NOVA’s Tuition & Fees.

The TJ course and grades didn't cost anything. To get the credit from George Mason cost a few hundred dollars if the student wanted that piece of paper - this was 2018.

So the policy is, all students take the class together. Then the rich kids get college credit for it, and the poor kids don’t.

That’s a bad policy.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I did not realize FCPS makes families pay for DE. So two kids take the exact same course, but only the one whose family has more disposable income gets college credit for it? Seems like a terrible arrangement.

DE Courses taken at an FCPS high school are provided at no cost to the student.
Concurrent courses (Independent Dual Enrollment) taken at a NOVA campus or through NOVA online require in-state tuition per NOVA’s Tuition & Fees.

The TJ course and grades didn't cost anything. To get the credit from George Mason cost a few hundred dollars if the student wanted that piece of paper - this was 2018.

So the policy is, all students take the class together. Then the rich kids get college credit for it, and the poor kids don’t.

That’s a bad policy.

This was prior to the change in admissions policy. You'd need to check the current dual enrollment policy. Might be completely different now.

https://www.fcps.edu/academics/graduation-requirements-and-course-planning/college-credit-high-school/dual-enrollment

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I did not realize FCPS makes families pay for DE. So two kids take the exact same course, but only the one whose family has more disposable income gets college credit for it? Seems like a terrible arrangement.

DE Courses taken at an FCPS high school are provided at no cost to the student.
Concurrent courses (Independent Dual Enrollment) taken at a NOVA campus or through NOVA online require in-state tuition per NOVA’s Tuition & Fees.

The TJ course and grades didn't cost anything. To get the credit from George Mason cost a few hundred dollars if the student wanted that piece of paper - this was 2018.

So the policy is, all students take the class together. Then the rich kids get college credit for it, and the poor kids don’t.

That’s a bad policy.

Did you just recently learn that college in USA is not free?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I did not realize FCPS makes families pay for DE. So two kids take the exact same course, but only the one whose family has more disposable income gets college credit for it? Seems like a terrible arrangement.

DE Courses taken at an FCPS high school are provided at no cost to the student.
Concurrent courses (Independent Dual Enrollment) taken at a NOVA campus or through NOVA online require in-state tuition per NOVA’s Tuition & Fees.

The TJ course and grades didn't cost anything. To get the credit from George Mason cost a few hundred dollars if the student wanted that piece of paper - this was 2018.

So the policy is, all students take the class together. Then the rich kids get college credit for it, and the poor kids don’t.

That’s a bad policy.

Did you just recently learn that college in USA is not free?

Sort of! I just recently learned that dual enrollment isn’t free for all public high school students. It’s free for public high school students in my district.

[Anonymous]

DD graduated TJ with 4 DE classes. We paid GMU about $2,000 for those. Her college didn't accept any of them because they only accept when a class is taught at college, not high school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DD graduated TJ with 4 DE classes. We paid GMU about $2,000 for those. Her college didn't accept any of them because they only accept when a class is taught at college, not high school.

Which college? I would defer to TJ's reputation, especially when giving credit for AP classes taught in high school.

[Anonymous]

Is dual enrollment just taking a class at college and getting high school credit? I heard in Maryland, students can take an entire year of high school at a college, and will graduate having completed a year's worth of credits.