Another case of misogyny .. in Italy

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Groping is allowed if for less than 10 sec.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/judge-italy-says-groping-only-102731711.html

A judge in Italy ruled that groping that lasts less than 10 seconds isn't criminal.

The ruling was in response to a case in which a school caretaker groped a 17-year-old student.

The controversial decision has sparked uproar in Italy, as well as a viral social media trend.

I have to wonder in that case if Italian fathers are ok with that ruling.

Italy has had other infamous cases like this, like when a women was raped, but the appeals judge said she couldn't have been because her jeans were too tight, so she must've taken them off herself.

FWIW, I love the country (traveled them many times), but this part of their culture stinks.

WTH do fathers have to do with it?

Do girls and women in Italy not own their own bodies?

The question about how fathers feel about this ruling is in regards to how they would feel if this happened to their 13, 14, 16 yr old daughters.

Would they say, "was it less than 10 seconds? then it's nothing". Or, would they be outraged?

Woosh.

Misogyny persists here as well.

Right! What about how the mothers, sisters, aunts, grandmas, cousins and female friends feel when this happens to their loved one?

Earlier PP, you were very misogynistic for just focusing on how fathers feel. Your thinking is just as archaic. Do better.

this is a dumb and pointless response. Go play elsewhere.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I do wonder if it's part of the culture of older men in Italy thinking that men ogling women and pinching women is sometimes seen as a compliment. People in Italy need to object to the judge's ruling to start to change the culture in 2023.

Not just the older generations. The younger male generations have learned this behavior and do it as well. When my relatives visit from Florence, I constantly remind my male cousins that catcalling women here may get the sh!t slapped out of them b/c American women are not submissive and demure like many Italian.

They say things like "it is a compliment for me to think a woman is beautiful and worth enough of my attention!"

Things will never change when people like you blame women for the bad behavior of men.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I do wonder if it's part of the culture of older men in Italy thinking that men ogling women and pinching women is sometimes seen as a compliment. People in Italy need to object to the judge's ruling to start to change the culture in 2023.

Not just the older generations. The younger male generations have learned this behavior and do it as well. When my relatives visit from Florence, I constantly remind my male cousins that catcalling women here may get the sh!t slapped out of them b/c American women are not submissive and demure like many Italian.

They say things like "it is a compliment for me to think a woman is beautiful and worth enough of my attention!"

Things will never change when people like you blame women for the bad behavior of men.

Culture is not made up of men only, it is made up of all people, men and women.

I'm not going to call your view misogynistic, but I am going to call it willfully blind.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I thought catcalling in the US was terrible, but Italy was in a whole other league.

Everywhere we traveled I was constantly harassed by men (not just Italian).

Catcalling is not a "US" thing. Have you never left North America?

If you are attractive it is a “thing.”

[Anonymous]

I thought about starting a thread about this story but I’ll share it here instead as it seems to fit.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/france-man-films-wife-rape-b2362206.html

This French guy drugged his wife and let upwards of 80 men rape her while she was unconscious, encouraging them to eschew condoms and to rape her bare back. He filmed all the rapes for his later enjoyment and police have been able to identity something like 50 men who raped her and of course among them are several pillar of the community types including one fireman who raped her while wearing his uniform.

I’ve read several articles about this shocking and horrifying case, one of which discussed how prevalent still in rural France (but it’s the whole world, really) that a man can do as he wishes with his wife as she belongs to him. All of the men who raped her clearly had that attitude.

Apparently the wife became suicidal once presented with the evidence by police. She had suffered disturbing dreams and gynecological problems of mysterious origin (!) but did not know that her husband of 50+ years was pimping out her unconscious body to random men he found on internet kink sites.

And just imagine the pain of the women married to some of these disgusting rapists.

By the way they burn 25,000 Indian women every year whose families fail to pay their bride price. It’s technically illegal but nobody does much about pursuing the cases. Look it up, it’s called bride burning.

And just a month or so again the United Nations released a report summarizing their research data which indicates that 9 out of 10 human beings on this planet are biased against women. When your own sisters are your enemies, what’s a woman to do?

Our world is still painfully misogynistic and today on the morning program they had a long conversation about how boys and men are getting lost and we need to help them. FFS!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I thought about starting a thread about this story but I’ll share it here instead as it seems to fit.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/france-man-films-wife-rape-b2362206.html

This French guy drugged his wife and let upwards of 80 men rape her while she was unconscious, encouraging them to eschew condoms and to rape her bare back. He filmed all the rapes for his later enjoyment and police have been able to identity something like 50 men who raped her and of course among them are several pillar of the community types including one fireman who raped her while wearing his uniform.

I’ve read several articles about this shocking and horrifying case, one of which discussed how prevalent still in rural France (but it’s the whole world, really) that a man can do as he wishes with his wife as she belongs to him. All of the men who raped her clearly had that attitude.

Apparently the wife became suicidal once presented with the evidence by police. She had suffered disturbing dreams and gynecological problems of mysterious origin (!) but did not know that her husband of 50+ years was pimping out her unconscious body to random men he found on internet kink sites.

And just imagine the pain of the women married to some of these disgusting rapists.

By the way they burn 25,000 Indian women every year whose families fail to pay their bride price. It’s technically illegal but nobody does much about pursuing the cases. Look it up, it’s called bride burning.

And just a month or so again the United Nations released a report summarizing their research data which indicates that 9 out of 10 human beings on this planet are biased against women. When your own sisters are your enemies, what’s a woman to do?

Our world is still painfully misogynistic and today on the morning program they had a long conversation about how boys and men are getting lost and we need to help them. FFS!

Just curious, are you posting from Italy, France, or India? In the US, where I am posting from, our boys and men are struggling.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I thought about starting a thread about this story but I’ll share it here instead as it seems to fit.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/france-man-films-wife-rape-b2362206.html

This French guy drugged his wife and let upwards of 80 men rape her while she was unconscious, encouraging them to eschew condoms and to rape her bare back. He filmed all the rapes for his later enjoyment and police have been able to identity something like 50 men who raped her and of course among them are several pillar of the community types including one fireman who raped her while wearing his uniform.

I’ve read several articles about this shocking and horrifying case, one of which discussed how prevalent still in rural France (but it’s the whole world, really) that a man can do as he wishes with his wife as she belongs to him. All of the men who raped her clearly had that attitude.

Apparently the wife became suicidal once presented with the evidence by police. She had suffered disturbing dreams and gynecological problems of mysterious origin (!) but did not know that her husband of 50+ years was pimping out her unconscious body to random men he found on internet kink sites.

And just imagine the pain of the women married to some of these disgusting rapists.

By the way they burn 25,000 Indian women every year whose families fail to pay their bride price. It’s technically illegal but nobody does much about pursuing the cases. Look it up, it’s called bride burning.

And just a month or so again the United Nations released a report summarizing their research data which indicates that 9 out of 10 human beings on this planet are biased against women. When your own sisters are your enemies, what’s a woman to do?

Our world is still painfully misogynistic and today on the morning program they had a long conversation about how boys and men are getting lost and we need to help them. FFS!

Just curious, are you posting from Italy, France, or India? In the US, where I am posting from, our boys and men are struggling.

I’m posting from the United States, the conversation on the struggle of boys and men was on Morning Joe today.

I don’t dispute that they made some good points about challenges facing young men. Most of them are about economics and opportunities which are challenges also faced by young women, with the added layer of the ongoing struggle against misogyny. Several of the headlines in today’s news were stories of violent assaults and murders of women by men. I am far far away from crying over the plight of boys and men in the USA or anywhere else.

[Anonymous]

Women in the USA have been saved from misogyny- ha.

https://minnesotareformer.com/2022/08/18/misogyny-is-fueling-the-countrys-gun-violence-epidemic-experts-say/Women

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Women in the USA have been saved from misogyny- ha.

https://minnesotareformer.com/2022/08/18/misogyny-is-fueling-the-countrys-gun-violence-epidemic-experts-say/Women

Wrong link?

[Anonymous]

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6058438/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Women in the USA have been saved from misogyny- ha.

https://minnesotareformer.com/2022/08/18/misogyny-is-fueling-the-countrys-gun-violence-epidemic-experts-say/Women

Wrong link?

https://minnesotareformer.com/2022/08/18/misogyny-is-fueling-the-countrys-gun-violence-epidemic-experts-say/

[Anonymous]

https://everytownresearch.org/report/misogyny-extremism-and-gun-violence/

[Anonymous]

https://www.glamour.com/story/misogyny-the-biggest-and-most-unflattering-trend-of-2023

[Anonymous]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/maiahoskin/2020/07/27/the-ugly-reality-of-violent-misogyny-in-america-is-systemic-endemic-and-normalized/?sh=744b37f27d6d

Of course the authors of some of these articles being women, they don’t count. Because of course all women are lying histrionics.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Women in the USA have been saved from misogyny- ha.

https://minnesotareformer.com/2022/08/18/misogyny-is-fueling-the-countrys-gun-violence-epidemic-experts-say/Women

Wrong link?

https://minnesotareformer.com/2022/08/18/misogyny-is-fueling-the-countrys-gun-violence-epidemic-experts-say/

I read this article and unfortunately because of the subject matter, it's dumb.

We'll have to agree to disagree. We have different perspectives. And this country is large enough that you can be concerned about women and I can be concerned about boys and men.