Drunk sub at Magruder sent home in an Uber

[Anonymous]

MCPS should take notes from Chicago public and how they pay their subs. If a sub in Chicago has a teaching license, pay starts at $187.
Then, teachers get $30 more on top of that for teaching in a special education position.
They get an extra $30 for teaching on a Monday or a Friday.
They get an extra $45 for teaching in a "hard to staff" school.
AND if they sub at least 12 days a month, they get a $450 stipend for the month.

All in all, subs in Chicago with teaching licenses can earn VERY good pay. Plus, there's no grading, no meetings, and very little BS. Yes, you must be excellent at classroom management. But this system has helped Chicago secure subs. It hasn't completely solved the issue because it is still a really hard job. But it has helped a lot. You stop getting so many crazies or drunks when you pay people what the job deserves.

[Anonymous]

As a MCPS teacher my first thought (sadly) was, "How the heck did they find a sub?". The bulk of the sub jobs at my school don't get picked up so usually our paras cover the classes.

[Anonymous]

High school classes are usually pretty easy since the kids can just sit and play on their phones. They are usually not as rambunctious at middle schoolers and it’s far less work than ES.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As a MCPS teacher my first thought (sadly) was, "How the heck did they find a sub?". The bulk of the sub jobs at my school don't get picked up so usually our paras cover the classes.

You have paras cover classes? Lucky! Ours don’t. Teachers don’t just give up our planning time at my school, we miss department and PLC meetings. It happens once a week to me. No wonder 30 people chose to leave.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Never a dull moment at MCPS and more specifically, Magruder.

I thought people said it was very difficult to get vetted and approved to be a sub in MCPS? Doesn't seem like it if drunks are making it through the screening process.

We don’t know if this individual was a sub before they developed a drinking problem.The pandemic birthed a lot of alcohol and substance abuse issues. I was shocked how much alcohol and weed people bought in March to June 2020. Emerging from that, some folks continued high levels of consumption and developed psychological dependence. Lots of functional alcoholics returned to workplaces last year. Quite a few not very functional ones have followed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:MCPS should take notes from Chicago public and how they pay their subs. If a sub in Chicago has a teaching license, pay starts at $187.
Then, teachers get $30 more on top of that for teaching in a special education position.
They get an extra $30 for teaching on a Monday or a Friday.
They get an extra $45 for teaching in a "hard to staff" school.
AND if they sub at least 12 days a month, they get a $450 stipend for the month.

All in all, subs in Chicago with teaching licenses can earn VERY good pay. Plus, there's no grading, no meetings, and very little BS. Yes, you must be excellent at classroom management. But this system has helped Chicago secure subs. It hasn't completely solved the issue because it is still a really hard job. But it has helped a lot. You stop getting so many crazies or drunks when you pay people what the job deserves.

Would love to see this. Last year they offered more pay for a few hard to fill days like the Friday before Memorial Day but they didn’t at all this year. So many teachers looking for subs around weekends in May.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:MCPS should take notes from Chicago public and how they pay their subs. If a sub in Chicago has a teaching license, pay starts at $187.
Then, teachers get $30 more on top of that for teaching in a special education position.
They get an extra $30 for teaching on a Monday or a Friday.
They get an extra $45 for teaching in a "hard to staff" school.
AND if they sub at least 12 days a month, they get a $450 stipend for the month.

All in all, subs in Chicago with teaching licenses can earn VERY good pay. Plus, there's no grading, no meetings, and very little BS. Yes, you must be excellent at classroom management. But this system has helped Chicago secure subs. It hasn't completely solved the issue because it is still a really hard job. But it has helped a lot. You stop getting so many crazies or drunks when you pay people what the job deserves.

So, if you work every day you'll make about $40k with no benefits. How is that very good pay? That is far less than the compensation of even a starting teacher.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a MCPS teacher my first thought (sadly) was, "How the heck did they find a sub?". The bulk of the sub jobs at my school don't get picked up so usually our paras cover the classes.

You have paras cover classes? Lucky! Ours don’t. Teachers don’t just give up our planning time at my school, we miss department and PLC meetings. It happens once a week to me. No wonder 30 people chose to leave.

Wow! What school (or at least zone) was this?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:MCPS should take notes from Chicago public and how they pay their subs. If a sub in Chicago has a teaching license, pay starts at $187.
Then, teachers get $30 more on top of that for teaching in a special education position.
They get an extra $30 for teaching on a Monday or a Friday.
They get an extra $45 for teaching in a "hard to staff" school.
AND if they sub at least 12 days a month, they get a $450 stipend for the month.

All in all, subs in Chicago with teaching licenses can earn VERY good pay. Plus, there's no grading, no meetings, and very little BS. Yes, you must be excellent at classroom management. But this system has helped Chicago secure subs. It hasn't completely solved the issue because it is still a really hard job. But it has helped a lot. You stop getting so many crazies or drunks when you pay people what the job deserves.

So, if you work every day you'll make about $40k with no benefits. How is that very good pay? That is far less than the compensation of even a starting teacher.

It's very good pay for a sub. Typically subs make half that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:MCPS should take notes from Chicago public and how they pay their subs. If a sub in Chicago has a teaching license, pay starts at $187.
Then, teachers get $30 more on top of that for teaching in a special education position.
They get an extra $30 for teaching on a Monday or a Friday.
They get an extra $45 for teaching in a "hard to staff" school.
AND if they sub at least 12 days a month, they get a $450 stipend for the month.

All in all, subs in Chicago with teaching licenses can earn VERY good pay. Plus, there's no grading, no meetings, and very little BS. Yes, you must be excellent at classroom management. But this system has helped Chicago secure subs. It hasn't completely solved the issue because it is still a really hard job. But it has helped a lot. You stop getting so many crazies or drunks when you pay people what the job deserves.

So, if you work every day you'll make about $40k with no benefits. How is that very good pay? That is far less than the compensation of even a starting teacher.

I don’t know of any subs for whom the job is their sole source of income. Most subs in the school I recently retired from are retirees (some former teachers) looking for a little extra income or a way to combat boredom. I personally don't sub because the pay is an embarrassment. That and I'm far from bored.

If MCPS paid subs as Chicago does, I'd definitely consider subbing a couple days a week. Subbing for a few sheckles above minimum wage? No. Way.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:MCPS should take notes from Chicago public and how they pay their subs. If a sub in Chicago has a teaching license, pay starts at $187.
Then, teachers get $30 more on top of that for teaching in a special education position.
They get an extra $30 for teaching on a Monday or a Friday.
They get an extra $45 for teaching in a "hard to staff" school.
AND if they sub at least 12 days a month, they get a $450 stipend for the month.

All in all, subs in Chicago with teaching licenses can earn VERY good pay. Plus, there's no grading, no meetings, and very little BS. Yes, you must be excellent at classroom management. But this system has helped Chicago secure subs. It hasn't completely solved the issue because it is still a really hard job. But it has helped a lot. You stop getting so many crazies or drunks when you pay people what the job deserves.

So, if you work every day you'll make about $40k with no benefits. How is that very good pay? That is far less than the compensation of even a starting teacher.

I don’t know of any subs for whom the job is their sole source of income. Most subs in the school I recently retired from are retirees (some former teachers) looking for a little extra income or a way to combat boredom. I personally don't sub because the pay is an embarrassment. That and I'm far from bored.

If MCPS paid subs as Chicago does, I'd definitely consider subbing a couple days a week. Subbing for a few sheckles above minimum wage? No. Way.

Yes, and that’s why we end up with losers for subs. When the best you can hope for is half-senile, that’s not a good situation. In other fields, where you actually care about the quality of sub workers, you pay more on an hourly basis than you do for full time staff.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:MCPS should take notes from Chicago public and how they pay their subs. If a sub in Chicago has a teaching license, pay starts at $187.
Then, teachers get $30 more on top of that for teaching in a special education position.
They get an extra $30 for teaching on a Monday or a Friday.
They get an extra $45 for teaching in a "hard to staff" school.
AND if they sub at least 12 days a month, they get a $450 stipend for the month.

All in all, subs in Chicago with teaching licenses can earn VERY good pay. Plus, there's no grading, no meetings, and very little BS. Yes, you must be excellent at classroom management. But this system has helped Chicago secure subs. It hasn't completely solved the issue because it is still a really hard job. But it has helped a lot. You stop getting so many crazies or drunks when you pay people what the job deserves.

So, if you work every day you'll make about $40k with no benefits. How is that very good pay? That is far less than the compensation of even a starting teacher.

I don’t know of any subs for whom the job is their sole source of income. Most subs in the school I recently retired from are retirees (some former teachers) looking for a little extra income or a way to combat boredom. I personally don't sub because the pay is an embarrassment. That and I'm far from bored.

If MCPS paid subs as Chicago does, I'd definitely consider subbing a couple days a week. Subbing for a few sheckles above minimum wage? No. Way.

Heck, Carroll County MD pays their subs more.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:MCPS should take notes from Chicago public and how they pay their subs. If a sub in Chicago has a teaching license, pay starts at $187.
Then, teachers get $30 more on top of that for teaching in a special education position.
They get an extra $30 for teaching on a Monday or a Friday.
They get an extra $45 for teaching in a "hard to staff" school.
AND if they sub at least 12 days a month, they get a $450 stipend for the month.

All in all, subs in Chicago with teaching licenses can earn VERY good pay. Plus, there's no grading, no meetings, and very little BS. Yes, you must be excellent at classroom management. But this system has helped Chicago secure subs. It hasn't completely solved the issue because it is still a really hard job. But it has helped a lot. You stop getting so many crazies or drunks when you pay people what the job deserves.

So, if you work every day you'll make about $40k with no benefits. How is that very good pay? That is far less than the compensation of even a starting teacher.

I don’t know of any subs for whom the job is their sole source of income. Most subs in the school I recently retired from are retirees (some former teachers) looking for a little extra income or a way to combat boredom. I personally don't sub because the pay is an embarrassment. That and I'm far from bored.

If MCPS paid subs as Chicago does, I'd definitely consider subbing a couple days a week. Subbing for a few sheckles above minimum wage? No. Way.

Yes, and that’s why we end up with losers for subs. When the best you can hope for is half-senile, that’s not a good situation. In other fields, where you actually care about the quality of sub workers, you pay more on an hourly basis than you do for full time staff.

so true. While there are many hard working retirees subs (thank goodness!), at least 1 in 4 subs are seriously psycho. More than any part time gig I know. Pay them more and you can have some selectivity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:MCPS should take notes from Chicago public and how they pay their subs. If a sub in Chicago has a teaching license, pay starts at $187.
Then, teachers get $30 more on top of that for teaching in a special education position.
They get an extra $30 for teaching on a Monday or a Friday.
They get an extra $45 for teaching in a "hard to staff" school.
AND if they sub at least 12 days a month, they get a $450 stipend for the month.

All in all, subs in Chicago with teaching licenses can earn VERY good pay. Plus, there's no grading, no meetings, and very little BS. Yes, you must be excellent at classroom management. But this system has helped Chicago secure subs. It hasn't completely solved the issue because it is still a really hard job. But it has helped a lot. You stop getting so many crazies or drunks when you pay people what the job deserves.

So, if you work every day you'll make about $40k with no benefits. How is that very good pay? That is far less than the compensation of even a starting teacher.

It's very good pay for a sub. Typically subs make half that.

You're the problem, how don't you see this? Subs SHOULD be making MORE, it shouldn't just be accepted. They should receive benefits. The district could hire permanent building subs as actual teaching positions where teachers would make whatever their salary step is. There are so many ways to solve this problem. It's not very good pay. At all. People make more with benefits at fast food restaurants. You clearly don't care about education.

[Anonymous]

There is a sub at Hoover MS that puts his feet up and naps and lets the kids play on their phone. He is there subbing weekly. No one cares. It’s sickening.