Religious people

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Another thread about atheism, how many are needed, honestly?

Perhaps you shouldn't comment on such threads, which only keeps them going. You could start a thread about looking for a church in your neighborhood, or something, instead.

As for your question, none are needed. No threads about anything are needed. All threads here are voluntary.

What an odd post. Anyway, post #3,258 about atheism. It’s ridiculous. Nobody cares about atheism except for atheists. They are obsessed with religion and pretending people don’t like them. News flash: people don’t like jerks. People like atheists who are nice, normal people. If you are an atheist who is isolated and posts here 24/7/365 and feel as if you are unlikable, it’s your attitude and personality.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Another thread about atheism, how many are needed, honestly?

Perhaps you shouldn't comment on such threads, which only keeps them going. You could start a thread about looking for a church in your neighborhood, or something, instead.

As for your question, none are needed. No threads about anything are needed. All threads here are voluntary.

What an odd post. Anyway, post #3,258 about atheism. It’s ridiculous. Nobody cares about atheism except for atheists. They are obsessed with religion and pretending people don’t like them. News flash: people don’t like jerks. People like atheists who are nice, normal people. If you are an atheist who is isolated and posts here 24/7/365 and feel as if you are unlikable, it’s your attitude and personality.

I guess you're an atheist, then, posting about atheism. Could you point out where in this thread an atheist says that people don't like atheists? it's a claim you make, but I haven't noticed it and don't have time to go through these posts to find the evidence.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Another thread about atheism, how many are needed, honestly?

Perhaps you shouldn't comment on such threads, which only keeps them going. You could start a thread about looking for a church in your neighborhood, or something, instead.

As for your question, none are needed. No threads about anything are needed. All threads here are voluntary.

What an odd post. Anyway, post #3,258 about atheism. It’s ridiculous. Nobody cares about atheism except for atheists. They are obsessed with religion and pretending people don’t like them. News flash: people don’t like jerks. People like atheists who are nice, normal people. If you are an atheist who is isolated and posts here 24/7/365 and feel as if you are unlikable, it’s your attitude and personality.

I guess you're an atheist, then, posting about atheism. Could you point out where in this thread an atheist says that people don't like atheists? it's a claim you make, but I haven't noticed it and don't have time to go through these posts to find the evidence.

A running theme pushed in this forum is that atheists are discriminated against, disliked, and not accepted in society. You only have to read each thread casually and see that theme repeated again and again. It’s pathological and obsessive.

People don’t have to like anyone. People will dislike you/me/everyone because not everyone likes everyone. It’s a fact of life.

If someone doesn’t like you, move on. Don’t waste your time stressing about it and trying to figure out why everyone on earth doesn’t want to be your bff. It’s childish. Adults know this.

No one has ever posted an instance of being truly discriminated against because of atheism. They don’t even have anecdotal evidence that they were denied housing, a job, etc, because they are atheist. No one has posted that they have been assaulted or harassed because they are atheist. It’s just some made up posts about neighbors or distant family members or co-workers being put off by atheism. Wow. Ok. That’s how the world works. People don’t exist to validate you or your choices. People can disagree with your choices and even express disagreement. You can do the same! Amazing!

I don’t know if children are posting here and don’t have the real world experience and emotional intelligence to understand this? Or exceptionally sensitive adults who feel everyone around them must validate them and their life choices. Children and sensitive adults: you will not be validated by other adults or society in general at every turn. People will express a range of emotions and responses to your choices. To live a healthy life, you will understand that and be confident in your own life. If someone doesn’t like you or your choices- you will understand that happens and continue on your merry way. That’s how it’s done.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Another thread about atheism, how many are needed, honestly?

Perhaps you shouldn't comment on such threads, which only keeps them going. You could start a thread about looking for a church in your neighborhood, or something, instead.

As for your question, none are needed. No threads about anything are needed. All threads here are voluntary.

What an odd post. Anyway, post #3,258 about atheism. It’s ridiculous. Nobody cares about atheism except for atheists. They are obsessed with religion and pretending people don’t like them. News flash: people don’t like jerks. People like atheists who are nice, normal people. If you are an atheist who is isolated and posts here 24/7/365 and feel as if you are unlikable, it’s your attitude and personality.

I guess you're an atheist, then, posting about atheism. Could you point out where in this thread an atheist says that people don't like atheists? it's a claim you make, but I haven't noticed it and don't have time to go through these posts to find the evidence.

A running theme pushed in this forum is that atheists are discriminated against, disliked, and not accepted in society. You only have to read each thread casually and see that theme repeated again and again. It’s pathological and obsessive.

People don’t have to like anyone. People will dislike you/me/everyone because not everyone likes everyone. It’s a fact of life.

If someone doesn’t like you, move on. Don’t waste your time stressing about it and trying to figure out why everyone on earth doesn’t want to be your bff. It’s childish. Adults know this.

No one has ever posted an instance of being truly discriminated against because of atheism. They don’t even have anecdotal evidence that they were denied housing, a job, etc, because they are atheist. No one has posted that they have been assaulted or harassed because they are atheist. It’s just some made up posts about neighbors or distant family members or co-workers being put off by atheism. Wow. Ok. That’s how the world works. People don’t exist to validate you or your choices. People can disagree with your choices and even express disagreement. You can do the same! Amazing!

I don’t know if children are posting here and don’t have the real world experience and emotional intelligence to understand this? Or exceptionally sensitive adults who feel everyone around them must validate them and their life choices. Children and sensitive adults: you will not be validated by other adults or society in general at every turn. People will express a range of emotions and responses to your choices. To live a healthy life, you will understand that and be confident in your own life. If someone doesn’t like you or your choices- you will understand that happens and continue on your merry way. That’s how it’s done.

Unlike people of different races, it's easy for atheists to hide and thus not be subject to discrimination. They can attend religious services or say they're agnostic, or not religious and pretty much hide that way and not bother anyone who happens to be prejudiced against them. Many of them do just that.

It's even easier for atheists to hide than it is for homosexuals and transgendered people, who can blend as long as they don't divulge their sexuality by word or deed. That's harder than hiding one's atheism, and until recently, most atheists simply hid their lack of religious beliefs.

But why should they hide? It's not innately evil or wrong to be homosexual or transgender to to not have a religion. Certainly religious people know some other religious people who are evil, or at least not nice.

Some people even think that because they believe in God, they are automatically superior to people who do not. Ridiculous.

It's possible that as a religious person, pp doesn't realize how poorly atheists can be treated. Or maybe pp is an atheist who doesn't feel any negative societal effects of non-belief. Fine. Others do and they can talk about it and try to do something about it and people like pp can continue to complain about it. It's a free country, right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Another thread about atheism, how many are needed, honestly?

Perhaps you shouldn't comment on such threads, which only keeps them going. You could start a thread about looking for a church in your neighborhood, or something, instead.

As for your question, none are needed. No threads about anything are needed. All threads here are voluntary.

What an odd post. Anyway, post #3,258 about atheism. It’s ridiculous. Nobody cares about atheism except for atheists. They are obsessed with religion and pretending people don’t like them. News flash: people don’t like jerks. People like atheists who are nice, normal people. If you are an atheist who is isolated and posts here 24/7/365 and feel as if you are unlikable, it’s your attitude and personality.

I guess you're an atheist, then, posting about atheism. Could you point out where in this thread an atheist says that people don't like atheists? it's a claim you make, but I haven't noticed it and don't have time to go through these posts to find the evidence.

A running theme pushed in this forum is that atheists are discriminated against, disliked, and not accepted in society. You only have to read each thread casually and see that theme repeated again and again. It’s pathological and obsessive.

People don’t have to like anyone. People will dislike you/me/everyone because not everyone likes everyone. It’s a fact of life.

If someone doesn’t like you, move on. Don’t waste your time stressing about it and trying to figure out why everyone on earth doesn’t want to be your bff. It’s childish. Adults know this.

No one has ever posted an instance of being truly discriminated against because of atheism. They don’t even have anecdotal evidence that they were denied housing, a job, etc, because they are atheist. No one has posted that they have been assaulted or harassed because they are atheist. It’s just some made up posts about neighbors or distant family members or co-workers being put off by atheism. Wow. Ok. That’s how the world works. People don’t exist to validate you or your choices. People can disagree with your choices and even express disagreement. You can do the same! Amazing!

I don’t know if children are posting here and don’t have the real world experience and emotional intelligence to understand this? Or exceptionally sensitive adults who feel everyone around them must validate them and their life choices. Children and sensitive adults: you will not be validated by other adults or society in general at every turn. People will express a range of emotions and responses to your choices. To live a healthy life, you will understand that and be confident in your own life. If someone doesn’t like you or your choices- you will understand that happens and continue on your merry way. That’s how it’s done.

Unlike people of different races, it's easy for atheists to hide and thus not be subject to discrimination. They can attend religious services or say they're agnostic, or not religious and pretty much hide that way and not bother anyone who happens to be prejudiced against them. Many of them do just that.

It's even easier for atheists to hide than it is for homosexuals and transgendered people, who can blend as long as they don't divulge their sexuality by word or deed. That's harder than hiding one's atheism, and until recently, most atheists simply hid their lack of religious beliefs.

But why should they hide? It's not innately evil or wrong to be homosexual or transgender to to not have a religion. Certainly religious people know some other religious people who are evil, or at least not nice.

Some people even think that because they believe in God, they are automatically superior to people who do not. Ridiculous.

It's possible that as a religious person, pp doesn't realize how poorly atheists can be treated. Or maybe pp is an atheist who doesn't feel any negative societal effects of non-belief. Fine. Others do and they can talk about it and try to do something about it and people like pp can continue to complain about it. It's a free country, right?

Focusing on supposed discrimination (from neighbors) 24/7/365 and posting about it here daily/weekly is a you problem. Nobody else is worried about your life choices. You are the one who is worried about your atheism and sees discrimination and disrespect everywhere. You let it run your every moment. Get therapy. It’s unhealthy to let the slightest interaction color your entire life and worldview. Nobody is out to get you, convert you, etc.

Nobody here has ever posted a single incident of actual discrimination or harassment they have experienced because they are atheist. It’s always some general, passing conversation they have become extremely offended and upset about. Give it a rest. Nobody else dwells on your life. People are too busy with their own lives. You are seeking and amplifying minor normal social interactions into constant crises. You are making up stories to make people pity you. It’s very scary you live this way.

[Anonymous]

Atheists get a bad rap because of a few loud mouths like Christopher Hitchens who used to openly disparage organized religion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Atheists get a bad rap because of a few loud mouths like Christopher Hitchens who used to openly disparage organized religion.

Wasn’t he an anti-theist?

[Anonymous]

NP
I have already had negative social interactions for not being religious. I have never disclosed that I'm outright atheist to anyone other than my dh. Even if others tell me they are, I don't say "yeah, me too". I just nod along smiling. I don't want to declare it for anyone else to pass judgment on, whether they would or not. Those who are religious promoting are choosing to put themselves out there as much as those who would claim atheism publicly, it's their choice but not mine.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Atheists get a bad rap because of a few loud mouths like Christopher Hitchens who used to openly disparage organized religion.

I mean if we are going to make a list of people who give their side a bad rap there is one side that tips the scales but sure, focus on that guy I've never heard of.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:NP
I have already had negative social interactions for not being religious. I have never disclosed that I'm outright atheist to anyone other than my dh. Even if others tell me they are, I don't say "yeah, me too". I just nod along smiling. I don't want to declare it for anyone else to pass judgment on, whether they would or not. Those who are religious promoting are choosing to put themselves out there as much as those who would claim atheism publicly, it's their choice but not mine.

Sounds like you're embarrassed to be an atheist and afraid of how people would react if they knew.

I can relate to this, but not to the extent you mention. I don't bring it up IRL, but will affirm my atheism if someone else mentions theirs. Right now, it seems brave to say outright that you're an atheist, so I want people who do to know they are not alone.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:NP
I have already had negative social interactions for not being religious. I have never disclosed that I'm outright atheist to anyone other than my dh. Even if others tell me they are, I don't say "yeah, me too". I just nod along smiling. I don't want to declare it for anyone else to pass judgment on, whether they would or not. Those who are religious promoting are choosing to put themselves out there as much as those who would claim atheism publicly, it's their choice but not mine.

What are the negative social interactions you’ve encountered? Please, go into detail.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Atheists get a bad rap because of a few loud mouths like Christopher Hitchens who used to openly disparage organized religion.

I mean if we are going to make a list of people who give their side a bad rap there is one side that tips the scales but sure, focus on that guy I've never heard of.

fundamentalist Christians?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NP
I have already had negative social interactions for not being religious. I have never disclosed that I'm outright atheist to anyone other than my dh. Even if others tell me they are, I don't say "yeah, me too". I just nod along smiling. I don't want to declare it for anyone else to pass judgment on, whether they would or not. Those who are religious promoting are choosing to put themselves out there as much as those who would claim atheism publicly, it's their choice but not mine.

Sounds like you're embarrassed to be an atheist and afraid of how people would react if they knew.

I can relate to this, but not to the extent you mention. I don't bring it up IRL, but will affirm my atheism if someone else mentions theirs. Right now, it seems brave to say outright that you're an atheist, so I want people who do to know they are not alone.

Not embarrassed, just afraid. Embarrassment is reserved for mishaps or things I can't change but would want to. Shame is involved at a personal level with embarassment, not just at dealing with an attempt to be shamed. I don't want to change being atheist but I'm not publicizing it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NP
I have already had negative social interactions for not being religious. I have never disclosed that I'm outright atheist to anyone other than my dh. Even if others tell me they are, I don't say "yeah, me too". I just nod along smiling. I don't want to declare it for anyone else to pass judgment on, whether they would or not. Those who are religious promoting are choosing to put themselves out there as much as those who would claim atheism publicly, it's their choice but not mine.

Sounds like you're embarrassed to be an atheist and afraid of how people would react if they knew.

I can relate to this, but not to the extent you mention. I don't bring it up IRL, but will affirm my atheism if someone else mentions theirs. Right now, it seems brave to say outright that you're an atheist, so I want people who do to know they are not alone.

Not embarrassed, just afraid. Embarrassment is reserved for mishaps or things I can't change but would want to. Shame is involved at a personal level with embarassment, not just at dealing with an attempt to be shamed. I don't want to change being atheist but I'm not publicizing it.

What are you afraid of?

Nobody has posted examples of any discriminatory or harassing or violent/abusive incidents resulting from disclosure of their atheism.

Nobody cares. If you are afraid of telling people you are atheist- it’s something inside you that makes you fearful.

Again, big picture- nobody cares. Nobody cares what you do and if you believe people have a specific and special interest in you- it’s a you problem.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NP
I have already had negative social interactions for not being religious. I have never disclosed that I'm outright atheist to anyone other than my dh. Even if others tell me they are, I don't say "yeah, me too". I just nod along smiling. I don't want to declare it for anyone else to pass judgment on, whether they would or not. Those who are religious promoting are choosing to put themselves out there as much as those who would claim atheism publicly, it's their choice but not mine.

Sounds like you're embarrassed to be an atheist and afraid of how people would react if they knew.

I can relate to this, but not to the extent you mention. I don't bring it up IRL, but will affirm my atheism if someone else mentions theirs. Right now, it seems brave to say outright that you're an atheist, so I want people who do to know they are not alone.

Not embarrassed, just afraid. Embarrassment is reserved for mishaps or things I can't change but would want to. Shame is involved at a personal level with embarassment, not just at dealing with an attempt to be shamed. I don't want to change being atheist but I'm not publicizing it.

What are you afraid of?

Nobody has posted examples of any discriminatory or harassing or violent/abusive incidents resulting from disclosure of their atheism.

Nobody cares. If you are afraid of telling people you are atheist- it’s something inside you that makes you fearful.

Again, big picture- nobody cares. Nobody cares what you do and if you believe people have a specific and special interest in you- it’s a you problem.

Even fearful sounds a bit much when these situations involving religious discussion happen every few years. I'm not living in fear if I didn't proclaim my atheism to a second cousin 5 years ago. Discriminatory, no because I haven't been in work situations of imbalanced power. This is just acquaintances, neighbors or distant relatives recoiling and/or advising me on how I am going down Satan's path (worst incident) or being incredulous that I can know right from wrong or that I can even be a good person (most common) in their eyes for "not being religious". There's no way I'm going to be proclaiming it's a bit more than straying down the path of not going to church. But there was a time religion was a bigger topic for some reason, maybe before covid. Nobody mentions it much anymore in terms of pointed questions but maybe I'm due for it soon. I would agree that nobody cares at the moment, I still am not going to discuss it. If its a me problem or not, I've had my experiences and don't wish to relive them even if they weren't "violent/abusive incidents".