Queen Charlotte: A Bridgerton Story

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Anonymous wrote:Just finished binging this and enjoyed it! I liked it more than season 2 of Bridgerton. I thought the leads had good chemistry. I enjoyed the secondary storylines as well.

I think they went a little too hard on the treatment of King George and Charlotte as savior but ah, it's a romance I guess.

I -LOVED- it. I love the backstory and development of both characters. I liked the casting a lot. And there was such a wonderful sweetness to their relationship. That last scene . . . AHHH. Love.

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Anonymous wrote:Is that where they make up a fake black ancestry for Charlotte to make the woke people happy?

What are you babbling about? It's fiction.

King George III and his wife Queen Charlotte are real people. Charlotte was a German princess with a thoroughly German ancestry. For some reason she is black in Bridgerton.

Oh FFS. How many times does this need to be said: it's historical FICTION. And the only one that cares are a small band of neanderthals like yourself.

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I am liking it but can I raise a specific question?

Wtf are they doing when they are washing the king after they bring him in from the garden? They’re like, scouring him with what seem to be dry sponges? That was so weird.

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It's a fun, bodice-y romp, chill racists guy.

Also, love Michelle Fairley in this. She looks great. The last thing I watched her in was The White Princess and she was made to look terrible. She looks gorgeous in this.

The actress who plays young Lady Danbury is delightful

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I loved Brimsley as well.

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Do Brimsley and his kingly counterpart (can’t remember his name) remind anyone else of Cogsworth and Lumire from the animated Beauty and the Beast?

Between their personalities, relative heights/build, and costumes, it can’t be a coincidence!

Only halfway thru the series, but I’m loving it.

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Anonymous wrote:Do Brimsley and his kingly counterpart (can’t remember his name) remind anyone else of Cogsworth and Lumire from the animated Beauty and the Beast?

Between their personalities, relative heights/build, and costumes, it can’t be a coincidence!

Only halfway thru the series, but I’m loving it.

Now that you say it, I can totally see it!

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I noticed that Shonda Rhimes herself wrote almost all the episodes (unlike the Bridgerton series where she wrote none).

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I just finished and I was sobbing. The casting was fantastic. All the younger versions look and speak and move the same. Wonderfully done.

Brimsley and Reynolds had me swooning. What a beautiful story. I lost it when Brimsley was dancing alone.

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I just finished and wept at the ending. I wish for so much more of this story. It needs to be its own series.

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Anonymous wrote:I noticed that Shonda Rhimes herself wrote almost all the episodes (unlike the Bridgerton series where she wrote none).

She did an amazing job! I need to go and find something now that will cheer me. I just finished and ended up in tears from the scene under the bed.

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Anonymous wrote:I am liking it but can I raise a specific question?

Wtf are they doing when they are washing the king after they bring him in from the garden? They’re like, scouring him with what seem to be dry sponges? That was so weird.

Yes! What was that? It was like they were picking off each blade of grass and piece of dirt with their hands and hard sponges.

Come on people. Put the man in the tub.

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“My heart calls your name!”

That line is going to live in my head rent-free.

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Anonymous wrote:Is that where they make up a fake black ancestry for Charlotte to make the woke people happy?

They ran with the speculation that the real Charlotte may have had some Black ancestry: https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2020/12/27/bridgerton-queen-charlotte-black-royals/

Historian Mario De Valdes y Cocom argues that Charlotte was directly descended from a Black branch of the Portuguese royal family: Alfonso III and his concubine, Ouruana, a Black Moor.

In the 13th century, “Alfonso III of Portugal conquered a little town named Faro from the Moors,” Valdes, a researcher on the 1996 Frontline PBS documentary “Secret Daughter,” told The Washington Post in 2018. “He demanded [the governor’s] daughter as a paramour. He had three children with her.”

According to Valdes, one of their sons, Martín Alfonso, married into the noble de Sousa family, which also had Black ancestry. Thus, Charlotte had African blood from both families.

Valdes, who grew up in Belize, began researching Charlotte’s African ancestry in 1967 after he moved to Boston.

He discovered that the royal physician, Baron Christian Friedrich Stockmar, had described Charlotte as “small and crooked, with a true mulatto face.” He also found other descriptions, including Sir Walter Scott writing that she was “ill-colored.” And a prime minister who once wrote of Queen Charlotte: “Her nose is too wide and her lips too thick.”

In several British colonies, Charlotte was often honored by Blacks who were convinced from her portraits and likeness on coins that she had African ancestry.
Valdes became fascinated by official portraits of Charlotte in which some of her features, he said, were visibly African.

“I started a systematic genealogical search,” Valdes said, which is how he traced her ancestry back to the mixed-race branch of the Portuguese royal family.
In a portrait by Sir Allan Ramsay, Charlotte is featured wearing a pink silk gown and holding two children. Her dark brown hair is piled high.
Ramsay, Valdes said, was an abolitionist married to the niece of Lord Mansfield, the judge who ruled in 1772 that slavery should be abolished in the British Empire.
In 1999, the London Sunday Times published an article with the headline: “REVEALED: THE QUEEN’S BLACK ANCESTORS.”

“The connection had been rumored but never proved,” the Times wrote. “The royal family has hidden credentials that make its members appropriate leaders of Britain’s multicultural society. It has black and mixed-raced royal ancestors who have never been publicly acknowledged. An American genealogist has established that Queen Charlotte, the wife of George III, was directly descended from the illegitimate son of an African mistress in the Portuguese royal house.”

After the Times story, the Boston Globe hailed Valdes’s research as groundbreaking. Charlotte passed on her mixed-race heritage to her granddaughter, Queen Victoria, and to Britain’s present-day monarch, Queen Elizabeth II.

Some scholars in England dismissed the evidence as weak — and beside the point.
“It really is so remote,” the David Williamson, former co-editor of Debrett’s Peerage, the guide to Britain’s barons, dukes and duchesses, marquises and other titled people, told the Globe. “In any case, all European royal families somewhere are linked to the kings of Castile. There is a lot of Moorish blood in the Portuguese royal family and it has diffused over the rest of Europe. The question is, who cares?”

Charlotte’s ancestry became the subject of public fascination when Britain’s Prince Harry married American actress Meghan Markle, whose mother is Black and whose father is White. Some people hailed her as Britain’s first mixed-race royal, prompting a reexamination of Queen Charlotte’s heritage.

Now “Bridgerton” and Rhimes are doing it again.

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So who was Queen Charlotte? She spoke no English when she arrived in London after a difficult journey by sea.
The teenage princess was introduced to the 22-year-old king and “threw herself at his feet,” according to the book “A Royal Experiment: The Private Life of King George III” by Janice Hadlow. The two were married just six hours later.
On Aug. 12, 1762, she gave birth to the couple’s first child, the future King George IV, according to Buckingham Palace. Fourteen more children followed.
The royal couple’s official residence was St. James Palace. “But the King had recently purchased a nearby property, Buckingham House,” according to the Royal Encyclopaedia. “In 1762 The King and Queen moved into this new house, making it Buckingham Palace. Charlotte loved it — 14 of her children were born there, and it came to be known as ‘The Queen’s House.’ ”
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Charlotte was an amateur botanist and a connoisseur of music. She especially liked German composers, including Handel. But her long marriage had an unhappy ending when the king began to suffer bouts of mental illness.
“After the onset of George III’s permanent madness in 1811,” according to Buckingham Palace, “The Prince of Wales became Regent, but Charlotte remained her husband’s guardian until her death in 1818.”
Brixton is a South London neighborhood sometimes called "the black capital of Europe."

Thanks PP who posted this. It was so interesting. I googled pics of her and she could definitely pass.

I had read that when the first bridgerton came out. It is interesting but also a little funny because I think most Spanish, Sicilians and Irish probably also have at least one Moorish ancestor from four hundred years ago. It doesn’t make us Black. The Moors got around.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is that where they make up a fake black ancestry for Charlotte to make the woke people happy?

They ran with the speculation that the real Charlotte may have had some Black ancestry: https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2020/12/27/bridgerton-queen-charlotte-black-royals/

Historian Mario De Valdes y Cocom argues that Charlotte was directly descended from a Black branch of the Portuguese royal family: Alfonso III and his concubine, Ouruana, a Black Moor.

In the 13th century, “Alfonso III of Portugal conquered a little town named Faro from the Moors,” Valdes, a researcher on the 1996 Frontline PBS documentary “Secret Daughter,” told The Washington Post in 2018. “He demanded [the governor’s] daughter as a paramour. He had three children with her.”

According to Valdes, one of their sons, Martín Alfonso, married into the noble de Sousa family, which also had Black ancestry. Thus, Charlotte had African blood from both families.

Valdes, who grew up in Belize, began researching Charlotte’s African ancestry in 1967 after he moved to Boston.

He discovered that the royal physician, Baron Christian Friedrich Stockmar, had described Charlotte as “small and crooked, with a true mulatto face.” He also found other descriptions, including Sir Walter Scott writing that she was “ill-colored.” And a prime minister who once wrote of Queen Charlotte: “Her nose is too wide and her lips too thick.”

In several British colonies, Charlotte was often honored by Blacks who were convinced from her portraits and likeness on coins that she had African ancestry.
Valdes became fascinated by official portraits of Charlotte in which some of her features, he said, were visibly African.

“I started a systematic genealogical search,” Valdes said, which is how he traced her ancestry back to the mixed-race branch of the Portuguese royal family.
In a portrait by Sir Allan Ramsay, Charlotte is featured wearing a pink silk gown and holding two children. Her dark brown hair is piled high.
Ramsay, Valdes said, was an abolitionist married to the niece of Lord Mansfield, the judge who ruled in 1772 that slavery should be abolished in the British Empire.
In 1999, the London Sunday Times published an article with the headline: “REVEALED: THE QUEEN’S BLACK ANCESTORS.”

“The connection had been rumored but never proved,” the Times wrote. “The royal family has hidden credentials that make its members appropriate leaders of Britain’s multicultural society. It has black and mixed-raced royal ancestors who have never been publicly acknowledged. An American genealogist has established that Queen Charlotte, the wife of George III, was directly descended from the illegitimate son of an African mistress in the Portuguese royal house.”

After the Times story, the Boston Globe hailed Valdes’s research as groundbreaking. Charlotte passed on her mixed-race heritage to her granddaughter, Queen Victoria, and to Britain’s present-day monarch, Queen Elizabeth II.

Some scholars in England dismissed the evidence as weak — and beside the point.
“It really is so remote,” the David Williamson, former co-editor of Debrett’s Peerage, the guide to Britain’s barons, dukes and duchesses, marquises and other titled people, told the Globe. “In any case, all European royal families somewhere are linked to the kings of Castile. There is a lot of Moorish blood in the Portuguese royal family and it has diffused over the rest of Europe. The question is, who cares?”

Charlotte’s ancestry became the subject of public fascination when Britain’s Prince Harry married American actress Meghan Markle, whose mother is Black and whose father is White. Some people hailed her as Britain’s first mixed-race royal, prompting a reexamination of Queen Charlotte’s heritage.

Now “Bridgerton” and Rhimes are doing it again.

***
So who was Queen Charlotte? She spoke no English when she arrived in London after a difficult journey by sea.
The teenage princess was introduced to the 22-year-old king and “threw herself at his feet,” according to the book “A Royal Experiment: The Private Life of King George III” by Janice Hadlow. The two were married just six hours later.
On Aug. 12, 1762, she gave birth to the couple’s first child, the future King George IV, according to Buckingham Palace. Fourteen more children followed.
The royal couple’s official residence was St. James Palace. “But the King had recently purchased a nearby property, Buckingham House,” according to the Royal Encyclopaedia. “In 1762 The King and Queen moved into this new house, making it Buckingham Palace. Charlotte loved it — 14 of her children were born there, and it came to be known as ‘The Queen’s House.’ ”
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Charlotte was an amateur botanist and a connoisseur of music. She especially liked German composers, including Handel. But her long marriage had an unhappy ending when the king began to suffer bouts of mental illness.
“After the onset of George III’s permanent madness in 1811,” according to Buckingham Palace, “The Prince of Wales became Regent, but Charlotte remained her husband’s guardian until her death in 1818.”
Brixton is a South London neighborhood sometimes called "the black capital of Europe."

Thanks PP who posted this. It was so interesting. I googled pics of her and she could definitely pass.

Does the real queen charlotte look mixed
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