Public Vs. Private?

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Anonymous wrote:My child's private upper school class has so much drama. Here's the shortlist: Drugs & drinking (sometimes on campus), eating disorders, bullying, absenteeism, race issues that are getting worse, antisemitism, quirkiest of quirky, mean girls, bro culture, spoiled kids that have no resiliency and a lot of stress, other kids that get away with *a lot* because of who the parents (faculty and big donors), clicky parent groups, disengaged admin team who often has no clue what is happening in classes, parent gossip about each other's kids and yes, some very mediocre teachers with turnover issues. Now tell me about your public woes.

And, MCPS teachers all just got another raise. College outcomes are pretty on par with privates.

College outcomes are NOT on par with top privates. Compare Whitman, Churchill, Langley, etc’s Instagram to the top DC Metro privates. By percentage, the public school students are heading to fewer Ivies and top 10 to 50 colleges. The floor (in terms of college ranking) is higher at top privates

Omg, enough with the trolling of Instagram pages. Do you really have nothing to do? Private schools have such small class sizes, a couple of “hooked” kids more or less makes a big differences in their %ages. You can’t compare.

That’s my point. You are correct, you can’t compare top publics to top privates. That’s why, generally speaking, the college outcomes are not on par.

Are you an idiot? I am saying you cannot compare because the percentages are so variable for the privates because of a low denominator.

Also, the only fair way to compare would be to figure out who is “hooked” or not and compare rates for each group separately.

Trying to figure out who is hooked vs. unhooked is an excuse public school parents like to use. I know a Black MCPS student who is a double Harvard legacy who was not admitted to Harvard this year. She has strong ECs and excellent grades, but I’m not sure if she chose to apply test optional. Either way, she was denied DESPITE her top grades and “hooks.” Perhaps if she attended a Big 3 (a third hook) she would have been admitted.

I also know double legacy from privates also rejected from ivy schools. One kid we know has two parents plus $ plus top private. Parents claim he was a top student with excellent test scores.

Aah, so you agree that legacy isn’t the hook public school parents claim it to be. Therefore, when you see all of those private school legacies being admitted to Ivies, please remember that double legacies with top grades and scores are still being rejected from those same colleges. Those students have earned their spot because legacy status isn’t enough. They still have to be qualified. You can’t have it both ways.

You seem to be an expert in making specious conclusions using a single piece of anecdata. By any chance, did you work for the Trump administration?

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Anonymous wrote:My child's private upper school class has so much drama. Here's the shortlist: Drugs & drinking (sometimes on campus), eating disorders, bullying, absenteeism, race issues that are getting worse, antisemitism, quirkiest of quirky, mean girls, bro culture, spoiled kids that have no resiliency and a lot of stress, other kids that get away with *a lot* because of who the parents (faculty and big donors), clicky parent groups, disengaged admin team who often has no clue what is happening in classes, parent gossip about each other's kids and yes, some very mediocre teachers with turnover issues. Now tell me about your public woes.

And, MCPS teachers all just got another raise. College outcomes are pretty on par with privates.

Hmm does it begin with an M?

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Anonymous wrote:My child's private upper school class has so much drama. Here's the shortlist: Drugs & drinking (sometimes on campus), eating disorders, bullying, absenteeism, race issues that are getting worse, antisemitism, quirkiest of quirky, mean girls, bro culture, spoiled kids that have no resiliency and a lot of stress, other kids that get away with *a lot* because of who the parents (faculty and big donors), clicky parent groups, disengaged admin team who often has no clue what is happening in classes, parent gossip about each other's kids and yes, some very mediocre teachers with turnover issues. Now tell me about your public woes.

And, MCPS teachers all just got another raise. College outcomes are pretty on par with privates.

College outcomes are NOT on par with top privates. Compare Whitman, Churchill, Langley, etc’s Instagram to the top DC Metro privates. By percentage, the public school students are heading to fewer Ivies and top 10 to 50 colleges. The floor (in terms of college ranking) is higher at top privates

Omg, enough with the trolling of Instagram pages. Do you really have nothing to do? Private schools have such small class sizes, a couple of “hooked” kids more or less makes a big differences in their %ages. You can’t compare.

That’s my point. You are correct, you can’t compare top publics to top privates. That’s why, generally speaking, the college outcomes are not on par.

Are you an idiot? I am saying you cannot compare because the percentages are so variable for the privates because of a low denominator.

Also, the only fair way to compare would be to figure out who is “hooked” or not and compare rates for each group separately.

Trying to figure out who is hooked vs. unhooked is an excuse public school parents like to use. I know a Black MCPS student who is a double Harvard legacy who was not admitted to Harvard this year. She has strong ECs and excellent grades, but I’m not sure if she chose to apply test optional. Either way, she was denied DESPITE her top grades and “hooks.” Perhaps if she attended a Big 3 (a third hook) she would have been admitted.

I also know double legacy from privates also rejected from ivy schools. One kid we know has two parents plus $ plus top private. Parents claim he was a top student with excellent test scores.

Aah, so you agree that legacy isn’t the hook public school parents claim it to be. Therefore, when you see all of those private school legacies being admitted to Ivies, please remember that double legacies with top grades and scores are still being rejected from those same colleges. Those students have earned their spot because legacy status isn’t enough. They still have to be qualified. You can’t have it both ways.

You seem to be an expert in making specious conclusions using a single piece of anecdata. By any chance, did you work for the Trump administration?

My statement is based on facts. Your statements are based on opinion fueled by envy (and personal attacks). Good luck with that.

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Anonymous wrote:My child's private upper school class has so much drama. Here's the shortlist: Drugs & drinking (sometimes on campus), eating disorders, bullying, absenteeism, race issues that are getting worse, antisemitism, quirkiest of quirky, mean girls, bro culture, spoiled kids that have no resiliency and a lot of stress, other kids that get away with *a lot* because of who the parents (faculty and big donors), clicky parent groups, disengaged admin team who often has no clue what is happening in classes, parent gossip about each other's kids and yes, some very mediocre teachers with turnover issues. Now tell me about your public woes.

And, MCPS teachers all just got another raise. College outcomes are pretty on par with privates.

College outcomes are NOT on par with top privates. Compare Whitman, Churchill, Langley, etc’s Instagram to the top DC Metro privates. By percentage, the public school students are heading to fewer Ivies and top 10 to 50 colleges. The floor (in terms of college ranking) is higher at top privates

Duh. Of course the "floor" is higher at top privates and by percentage there are fewer public kids heading to top colleges. That's because the private school doesn't have the "floor" students at all! If you siphoned off the top 10-20% of public school kids, you'll find they are nearly identical to the private school kids. It's just that the public schools actually have to educate *every* child - not just the academically successful ones with good supportive families.

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Anonymous wrote:Exact same thread. Over and over and over and over.

A lot of us are considering switching or staying. This is an easy decision for someone who lives in DC or in a bad public school system. It is a harder decision for those of us who live in top public school systems. I don't necessarily think there will be a college admissions boost for my kids and the student population will be geographically spread out. Right now I have 3 kids in schools that are within 2 miles from my house. Now I'm looking at schools that will be 20 minutes away without traffic. Is it really worth 50k per kid to go to a school that is a pain to get to? I think one of my kids would do well in an all boys school but not the other son or daughter. Do i send my 3 kids to 3 different schools that would be even a bigger pain to get to in the mornings? Why all this trouble when my kids are doing fine in our deemed top public??? it is a real dilemma.

I have one in private and one in public. Different kids, different schools.
The biggest difference is class size. It changes the whole vibe of the classroom. For some kids, the smaller class - where the teacher has time to call on each kid and to give more and more specific feedback - is invaluable. For other kids, they're perfectly comfortable raising their hand and asking a question even in a class of 30 and don't need the extra support/hand-holding in a private school class.

My public DD has a fantastic group of smart, kind, awesome friends, she's had mostly wonderful teachers who have challenged her, and is taking advantage of the opportunities the bigger school provides.
My private DS has a great group of smart, kind, awesome friends, has had mostly wonderful teachers who have challenged him, and is thriving with the extra support and attention the smaller school provides.

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Anonymous wrote:My child's private upper school class has so much drama. Here's the shortlist: Drugs & drinking (sometimes on campus), eating disorders, bullying, absenteeism, race issues that are getting worse, antisemitism, quirkiest of quirky, mean girls, bro culture, spoiled kids that have no resiliency and a lot of stress, other kids that get away with *a lot* because of who the parents (faculty and big donors), clicky parent groups, disengaged admin team who often has no clue what is happening in classes, parent gossip about each other's kids and yes, some very mediocre teachers with turnover issues. Now tell me about your public woes.

And, MCPS teachers all just got another raise. College outcomes are pretty on par with privates.

Wtf is wrong with quirky kids? And you're putting them in with racists and antisemites????

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Anonymous wrote:My child's private upper school class has so much drama. Here's the shortlist: Drugs & drinking (sometimes on campus), eating disorders, bullying, absenteeism, race issues that are getting worse, antisemitism, quirkiest of quirky, mean girls, bro culture, spoiled kids that have no resiliency and a lot of stress, other kids that get away with *a lot* because of who the parents (faculty and big donors), clicky parent groups, disengaged admin team who often has no clue what is happening in classes, parent gossip about each other's kids and yes, some very mediocre teachers with turnover issues. Now tell me about your public woes.

And, MCPS teachers all just got another raise. College outcomes are pretty on par with privates.

Wtf is wrong with quirky kids? And you're putting them in with racists and antisemites????

Yes, PP, pls explain. I am sure you didn’t mean that to sound that way. Right?

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Advocate for public school! Public! Public! Public schools have the capacity to serve your students should they have learned disabilities, need strategies and boundaries, and are building skills and habits. Private schools hire individuals who do not have certification, or a teachers license. How can a school hire people who don’t have the fundamental understanding of what it means to be an educator, therefore, they are not truly educators, they are people who feel that they are versed in their contents area. They do not care about your students, learning habits, in terms of meeting deadlines, being honest, and figuring out ways to improve when they are struggling. Public, Public, Public! You’re doing your child a great disservice by having them attend private schools, especially if you don’t want them to be a bigot, entitled, cheaters, or drug addicts.

Because this is exactly what the big three produce.

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Anonymous wrote:I did not want to be just a number in a big public school.

You don’t think that you are just a number at a private school, especially when you pay over $50,000 for it!? Lol lol trust me you’re just a number to them because you are paying. Nobody knows who you are, they do not care about your kid, the grades are inflated, your child is really not as smart as you think they are, the teachers just give A’s to avoid talking to all of you., and everything is a fraud. Keep writing a check and being ripped off so you can get inflated a grades and get into college. You already know that your child is not that smart. You just don’t want to go to public DC schools with Black and Hispanic students.

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You don’t think that you are just a number at a private school, especially when you pay over $50,000 for it!? Lol lol trust me you’re just a number to them because you are paying. Nobody knows who you are, they do not care about your kid, the grades are inflated, your child is really not as smart as you think they are, the teachers just give A’s to avoid talking to all of you., and everything is a fraud. Keep writing a check and being ripped off so you can get inflated a grades and get into college. You already know that your child is not that smart. You just don’t want to go to public DC schools with Black and Hispanic students.




quote=Anonymous]You are starting off with the opinion that those public schools are "so good."

Every family has a different reason, but I would first start with the understanding that the public schools aren't always great for some students or families.

Both my wife and I are public school graduates and while it has been 30+ years, the issues in public schools are the similar now as they were then, at least from our experience with our older child. She moved to private from one of the "W" schools you list and her experience has been heaps better. As we near graduation, we are thankful she attends her current school and are looking forward to her entering college with confidence and a solid academic background.
Could she have developed all of the skills in public? Probably. But there was undoubtedly a lot less drama, a safer social environment, and she has a much wider circle of peers and friends than she would have had she stayed in public.

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Anonymous wrote:Serious question, what are the benefits of Private school for those in Whitman/Churchill/Wooton/BCC school districts? The public schools are so good, just trying to understand why so many people in these school clusters are choosing private.

DC does not do well in the large class settings. For us it was important to have a smaller class size and overall smaller school so DC feels comfortable and can have a more enjoyable school experience. For us it has nothing to do with college admissions. Teachers in the other grades know my kid and DC knows them too so DC feels very comfortable with them.

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23:30 PP here again.

As another PP mentioned above, DC would be overwhelmed in the large MCPS classroom and would not ask a question or ask for help when needed. With the small class size in private the teachers have helped DC build confidence and help them advocate for themselves. There is no way a teacher with 25 kids would have the time to do that. Overall we have been very pleased with DC's social- emotional as well as academic growth.

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Anonymous wrote:Exact same thread. Over and over and over and over.

Yes, quite. Parents should do whatever is best for their DC. Different children are different.

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Anonymous wrote:I did not want to be just a number in a big public school.

You don’t think that you are just a number at a private school, especially when you pay over $50,000 for it!? Lol lol trust me you’re just a number to them because you are paying. Nobody knows who you are, they do not care about your kid, the grades are inflated, your child is really not as smart as you think they are, the teachers just give A’s to avoid talking to all of you., and everything is a fraud. Keep writing a check and being ripped off so you can get inflated a grades and get into college. You already know that your child is not that smart. You just don’t want to go to public DC schools with Black and Hispanic students.

+1 your private school sees $50K on your child's forehead.