If you're looking for a good rescue...

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We got our wonderful rescue dog from K9 Lifesavers, which I highly recommend. They get their dogs from high-kill shelters in the south and transport them to the DC area.

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Anonymous wrote:I have a dog from lucky dog too. They’re basically a pipeline from SC shelters to here. I’m not at all sure about it. I think it just creates a market and then there’s no pressure to do anything locally to prevent so many unwanted dogs. These linked are older but the adoption event I went to was 75% pit puppies. I don’t have the sense they want to work themselves out of a job, if that makes sense. And I just don’t see why this is the best long term solution.

Market implies that they are making money. They are not.
It would be wonderful if we could require the southern states to change their policies on neutering and dog ownership....how are you going to do that? Yep, it's absolutely a bandaid but what else are you suggesting be done? You should incredibly unaware of the situation.

What 'policies' do you propose that 'southern' states change ? What 'policies'do you have up north that have actually worked? And how the heck did the state take them over since animal control is generally handled at the county level?

If you look at Wolf Trap Rescue, they essentially took Booneville, Mississippi to almost no euthanization in the shelters. The policy is spay/neuter before adoption. And they do it young because the benefits outweigh the risks.
You just want to be argumentative, but it’s both at the state and county level. Yes, counties control animal control for the most part, but state law comes in to play regarding animal abuse cases.

EVERY shelter requires spay/neuter before adoption, north/south, everywhere. That's been a thing for at least 4 decades. You tell me what exactly you think that 'southern states' need to do.

Actually many take a deposit and do it "on your honor". And guess what? People forget until their puppy is pregnant for the first time. Pediatric spay/neuter is a different policy.

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Anonymous wrote:I have a dog from lucky dog too. They’re basically a pipeline from SC shelters to here. I’m not at all sure about it. I think it just creates a market and then there’s no pressure to do anything locally to prevent so many unwanted dogs. These linked are older but the adoption event I went to was 75% pit puppies. I don’t have the sense they want to work themselves out of a job, if that makes sense. And I just don’t see why this is the best long term solution.

Market implies that they are making money. They are not.
It would be wonderful if we could require the southern states to change their policies on neutering and dog ownership....how are you going to do that? Yep, it's absolutely a bandaid but what else are you suggesting be done? You should incredibly unaware of the situation.

What 'policies' do you propose that 'southern' states change ? What 'policies'do you have up north that have actually worked? And how the heck did the state take them over since animal control is generally handled at the county level?

If you look at Wolf Trap Rescue, they essentially took Booneville, Mississippi to almost no euthanization in the shelters. The policy is spay/neuter before adoption. And they do it young because the benefits outweigh the risks.
You just want to be argumentative, but it’s both at the state and county level. Yes, counties control animal control for the most part, but state law comes in to play regarding animal abuse cases.

EVERY shelter requires spay/neuter before adoption, north/south, everywhere. That's been a thing for at least 4 decades. You tell me what exactly you think that 'southern states' need to do.

Actually many take a deposit and do it "on your honor". And guess what? People forget until their puppy is pregnant for the first time. Pediatric spay/neuter is a different policy.

It has never been 'on your honor' if the shelter didn't receive a verification from a vet, within the specified dates, the animal was reclaimed. I haven't seen it done that way in at least 20 years, though. I'm not everywhere, so, maybe there are some places that still do it that way. Surely not enough to account for massive pet overpopulation, though. Funny, though, lots of people on this site argue that their special doggo doesn't need to be neutered ever, you know, because they are responsible and don't want to harm his mental health or bone growth or whatever. Doesn't seem like a problem limited to poor Southern communities to me.

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Anonymous wrote:I have a dog from lucky dog too. They’re basically a pipeline from SC shelters to here. I’m not at all sure about it. I think it just creates a market and then there’s no pressure to do anything locally to prevent so many unwanted dogs. These linked are older but the adoption event I went to was 75% pit puppies. I don’t have the sense they want to work themselves out of a job, if that makes sense. And I just don’t see why this is the best long term solution.

Market implies that they are making money. They are not.
It would be wonderful if we could require the southern states to change their policies on neutering and dog ownership....how are you going to do that? Yep, it's absolutely a bandaid but what else are you suggesting be done? You should incredibly unaware of the situation.

What 'policies' do you propose that 'southern' states change ? What 'policies'do you have up north that have actually worked? And how the heck did the state take them over since animal control is generally handled at the county level?

If you look at Wolf Trap Rescue, they essentially took Booneville, Mississippi to almost no euthanization in the shelters. The policy is spay/neuter before adoption. And they do it young because the benefits outweigh the risks.
You just want to be argumentative, but it’s both at the state and county level. Yes, counties control animal control for the most part, but state law comes in to play regarding animal abuse cases.

EVERY shelter requires spay/neuter before adoption, north/south, everywhere. That's been a thing for at least 4 decades. You tell me what exactly you think that 'southern states' need to do.

Actually many take a deposit and do it "on your honor". And guess what? People forget until their puppy is pregnant for the first time. Pediatric spay/neuter is a different policy.

It has never been 'on your honor' if the shelter didn't receive a verification from a vet, within the specified dates, the animal was reclaimed. I haven't seen it done that way in at least 20 years, though. I'm not everywhere, so, maybe there are some places that still do it that way. Surely not enough to account for massive pet overpopulation, though. Funny, though, lots of people on this site argue that their special doggo doesn't need to be neutered ever, you know, because they are responsible and don't want to harm his mental health or bone growth or whatever. Doesn't seem like a problem limited to poor Southern communities to me.

No shelter actually goes back to reclaim the animal if not spayed or neutered. I mean do you have any experience at all or just talking? There is a lot of controversy around sterilizing very young puppies (like 8 weeks and under) that are adopted out from these organizations. My brother just adopted a young puppy and it was not neutered before adoption - he indeed gave a deposit. And it's a very urban rescue.
If you'd like to let us know the problem in the south and why their euthanisia rate is so much higher, we're all ears.

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Anonymous wrote:I have a dog from lucky dog too. They’re basically a pipeline from SC shelters to here. I’m not at all sure about it. I think it just creates a market and then there’s no pressure to do anything locally to prevent so many unwanted dogs. These linked are older but the adoption event I went to was 75% pit puppies. I don’t have the sense they want to work themselves out of a job, if that makes sense. And I just don’t see why this is the best long term solution.

The best long-term solution would be to require all dogs to be licensed and almost all dogs to be spayed or neutered. But that's not going to happen, especially in Southern states, so this is what we're left with.

Technically all dogs are required to have a rabies license but many don't do it. The problem with spay and neutering is the cost. Except for a few clinics that do low income only, its crazy expensive.

You went from "license" to "rabies license" pretty quick there. A license can/should include being spayed/neutered, or at least a significantly higher rate for intact animals.

[Anonymous]

It's really hard to avoid pit in rescues, but a lot of rescues have a decent number of hounds. You might just have to get an older dog because it's harder to tell when they're puppies. FWIW we got a young dog from a rescue and she looks super hound, but still ended up with something like 18% pit per the DNA test.

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Anonymous wrote:I have a dog from lucky dog too. They’re basically a pipeline from SC shelters to here. I’m not at all sure about it. I think it just creates a market and then there’s no pressure to do anything locally to prevent so many unwanted dogs. These linked are older but the adoption event I went to was 75% pit puppies. I don’t have the sense they want to work themselves out of a job, if that makes sense. And I just don’t see why this is the best long term solution.

Market implies that they are making money. They are not.
It would be wonderful if we could require the southern states to change their policies on neutering and dog ownership....how are you going to do that? Yep, it's absolutely a bandaid but what else are you suggesting be done? You should incredibly unaware of the situation.

What 'policies' do you propose that 'southern' states change ? What 'policies'do you have up north that have actually worked? And how the heck did the state take them over since animal control is generally handled at the county level?

If you look at Wolf Trap Rescue, they essentially took Booneville, Mississippi to almost no euthanization in the shelters. The policy is spay/neuter before adoption. And they do it young because the benefits outweigh the risks.
You just want to be argumentative, but it’s both at the state and county level. Yes, counties control animal control for the most part, but state law comes in to play regarding animal abuse cases.

EVERY shelter requires spay/neuter before adoption, north/south, everywhere. That's been a thing for at least 4 decades. You tell me what exactly you think that 'southern states' need to do.

Actually many take a deposit and do it "on your honor". And guess what? People forget until their puppy is pregnant for the first time. Pediatric spay/neuter is a different policy.

It has never been 'on your honor' if the shelter didn't receive a verification from a vet, within the specified dates, the animal was reclaimed. I haven't seen it done that way in at least 20 years, though. I'm not everywhere, so, maybe there are some places that still do it that way. Surely not enough to account for massive pet overpopulation, though. Funny, though, lots of people on this site argue that their special doggo doesn't need to be neutered ever, you know, because they are responsible and don't want to harm his mental health or bone growth or whatever. Doesn't seem like a problem limited to poor Southern communities to me.

No shelter actually goes back to reclaim the animal if not spayed or neutered. I mean do you have any experience at all or just talking? There is a lot of controversy around sterilizing very young puppies (like 8 weeks and under) that are adopted out from these organizations. My brother just adopted a young puppy and it was not neutered before adoption - he indeed gave a deposit. And it's a very urban rescue.
If you'd like to let us know the problem in the south and why their euthanisia rate is so much higher, we're all ears.

I don't claim to have a solution, just wanted to know what brilliant insight YOU could bring to the table since you said you had a great policy that is ignorant southern people could put in place and fix everything. Really would love to hear about it.

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Anonymous wrote:I have a dog from lucky dog too. They’re basically a pipeline from SC shelters to here. I’m not at all sure about it. I think it just creates a market and then there’s no pressure to do anything locally to prevent so many unwanted dogs. These linked are older but the adoption event I went to was 75% pit puppies. I don’t have the sense they want to work themselves out of a job, if that makes sense. And I just don’t see why this is the best long term solution.

Market implies that they are making money. They are not.
It would be wonderful if we could require the southern states to change their policies on neutering and dog ownership....how are you going to do that? Yep, it's absolutely a bandaid but what else are you suggesting be done? You should incredibly unaware of the situation.

What 'policies' do you propose that 'southern' states change ? What 'policies'do you have up north that have actually worked? And how the heck did the state take them over since animal control is generally handled at the county level?

If you look at Wolf Trap Rescue, they essentially took Booneville, Mississippi to almost no euthanization in the shelters. The policy is spay/neuter before adoption. And they do it young because the benefits outweigh the risks.
You just want to be argumentative, but it’s both at the state and county level. Yes, counties control animal control for the most part, but state law comes in to play regarding animal abuse cases.

EVERY shelter requires spay/neuter before adoption, north/south, everywhere. That's been a thing for at least 4 decades. You tell me what exactly you think that 'southern states' need to do.

Actually many take a deposit and do it "on your honor". And guess what? People forget until their puppy is pregnant for the first time. Pediatric spay/neuter is a different policy.

It has never been 'on your honor' if the shelter didn't receive a verification from a vet, within the specified dates, the animal was reclaimed. I haven't seen it done that way in at least 20 years, though. I'm not everywhere, so, maybe there are some places that still do it that way. Surely not enough to account for massive pet overpopulation, though. Funny, though, lots of people on this site argue that their special doggo doesn't need to be neutered ever, you know, because they are responsible and don't want to harm his mental health or bone growth or whatever. Doesn't seem like a problem limited to poor Southern communities to me.

No shelter actually goes back to reclaim the animal if not spayed or neutered. I mean do you have any experience at all or just talking? There is a lot of controversy around sterilizing very young puppies (like 8 weeks and under) that are adopted out from these organizations. My brother just adopted a young puppy and it was not neutered before adoption - he indeed gave a deposit. And it's a very urban rescue.
If you'd like to let us know the problem in the south and why their euthanisia rate is so much higher, we're all ears.

I don't claim to have a solution, just wanted to know what brilliant insight YOU could bring to the table since you said you had a great policy that is ignorant southern people could put in place and fix everything. Really would love to hear about it.

You don't want to hear anything, you just want to shoot everything down.
I foster animals from the south. Pediatric spay/neuter so there is no chance of them ever reproducing. I can guarantee it's more than you are doing.

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Anonymous wrote:I have a dog from lucky dog too. They’re basically a pipeline from SC shelters to here. I’m not at all sure about it. I think it just creates a market and then there’s no pressure to do anything locally to prevent so many unwanted dogs. These linked are older but the adoption event I went to was 75% pit puppies. I don’t have the sense they want to work themselves out of a job, if that makes sense. And I just don’t see why this is the best long term solution.

Market implies that they are making money. They are not.
It would be wonderful if we could require the southern states to change their policies on neutering and dog ownership....how are you going to do that? Yep, it's absolutely a bandaid but what else are you suggesting be done? You should incredibly unaware of the situation.

What 'policies' do you propose that 'southern' states change ? What 'policies'do you have up north that have actually worked? And how the heck did the state take them over since animal control is generally handled at the county level?

If you look at Wolf Trap Rescue, they essentially took Booneville, Mississippi to almost no euthanization in the shelters. The policy is spay/neuter before adoption. And they do it young because the benefits outweigh the risks.
You just want to be argumentative, but it’s both at the state and county level. Yes, counties control animal control for the most part, but state law comes in to play regarding animal abuse cases.

EVERY shelter requires spay/neuter before adoption, north/south, everywhere. That's been a thing for at least 4 decades. You tell me what exactly you think that 'southern states' need to do.

I just want to point out that the rescue mentioned in the original post DOESN'T require it before adoption. They release the animal with the promise it be done. Here is one example where the listing specifically states the puppy is not sterilized.
https://toolkit.rescuegroups.org/javascript/v2.0/template1?animalID=19150409&key=Mqr6gy1W
You are just wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:I have a dog from lucky dog too. They’re basically a pipeline from SC shelters to here. I’m not at all sure about it. I think it just creates a market and then there’s no pressure to do anything locally to prevent so many unwanted dogs. These linked are older but the adoption event I went to was 75% pit puppies. I don’t have the sense they want to work themselves out of a job, if that makes sense. And I just don’t see why this is the best long term solution.

Market implies that they are making money. They are not.
It would be wonderful if we could require the southern states to change their policies on neutering and dog ownership....how are you going to do that? Yep, it's absolutely a bandaid but what else are you suggesting be done? You should incredibly unaware of the situation.

What 'policies' do you propose that 'southern' states change ? What 'policies'do you have up north that have actually worked? And how the heck did the state take them over since animal control is generally handled at the county level?

If you look at Wolf Trap Rescue, they essentially took Booneville, Mississippi to almost no euthanization in the shelters. The policy is spay/neuter before adoption. And they do it young because the benefits outweigh the risks.
You just want to be argumentative, but it’s both at the state and county level. Yes, counties control animal control for the most part, but state law comes in to play regarding animal abuse cases.

EVERY shelter requires spay/neuter before adoption, north/south, everywhere. That's been a thing for at least 4 decades. You tell me what exactly you think that 'southern states' need to do.

Actually many take a deposit and do it "on your honor". And guess what? People forget until their puppy is pregnant for the first time. Pediatric spay/neuter is a different policy.

It has never been 'on your honor' if the shelter didn't receive a verification from a vet, within the specified dates, the animal was reclaimed. I haven't seen it done that way in at least 20 years, though. I'm not everywhere, so, maybe there are some places that still do it that way. Surely not enough to account for massive pet overpopulation, though. Funny, though, lots of people on this site argue that their special doggo doesn't need to be neutered ever, you know, because they are responsible and don't want to harm his mental health or bone growth or whatever. Doesn't seem like a problem limited to poor Southern communities to me.

No shelter actually goes back to reclaim the animal if not spayed or neutered. I mean do you have any experience at all or just talking? There is a lot of controversy around sterilizing very young puppies (like 8 weeks and under) that are adopted out from these organizations. My brother just adopted a young puppy and it was not neutered before adoption - he indeed gave a deposit. And it's a very urban rescue.
If you'd like to let us know the problem in the south and why their euthanisia rate is so much higher, we're all ears.

I don't claim to have a solution, just wanted to know what brilliant insight YOU could bring to the table since you said you had a great policy that is ignorant southern people could put in place and fix everything. Really would love to hear about it.

You don't want to hear anything, you just want to shoot everything down.
I foster animals from the south. Pediatric spay/neuter so there is no chance of them ever reproducing. I can guarantee it's more than you are doing.

So, you got nothing? Big surprise there.

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Anonymous wrote:I have a dog from lucky dog too. They’re basically a pipeline from SC shelters to here. I’m not at all sure about it. I think it just creates a market and then there’s no pressure to do anything locally to prevent so many unwanted dogs. These linked are older but the adoption event I went to was 75% pit puppies. I don’t have the sense they want to work themselves out of a job, if that makes sense. And I just don’t see why this is the best long term solution.

Market implies that they are making money. They are not.
It would be wonderful if we could require the southern states to change their policies on neutering and dog ownership....how are you going to do that? Yep, it's absolutely a bandaid but what else are you suggesting be done? You should incredibly unaware of the situation.

What 'policies' do you propose that 'southern' states change ? What 'policies'do you have up north that have actually worked? And how the heck did the state take them over since animal control is generally handled at the county level?

If you look at Wolf Trap Rescue, they essentially took Booneville, Mississippi to almost no euthanization in the shelters. The policy is spay/neuter before adoption. And they do it young because the benefits outweigh the risks.
You just want to be argumentative, but it’s both at the state and county level. Yes, counties control animal control for the most part, but state law comes in to play regarding animal abuse cases.

EVERY shelter requires spay/neuter before adoption, north/south, everywhere. That's been a thing for at least 4 decades. You tell me what exactly you think that 'southern states' need to do.

I just want to point out that the rescue mentioned in the original post DOESN'T require it before adoption. They release the animal with the promise it be done. Here is one example where the listing specifically states the puppy is not sterilized.
https://toolkit.rescuegroups.org/javascript/v2.0/template1?animalID=19150409&key=Mqr6gy1W
You are just wrong.

Oh, sorry, I thought you meant the public shelters, not some ship 'em in, adopt 'em out private group. What's the state supposed to do about that?

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Anonymous wrote:I have a dog from lucky dog too. They’re basically a pipeline from SC shelters to here. I’m not at all sure about it. I think it just creates a market and then there’s no pressure to do anything locally to prevent so many unwanted dogs. These linked are older but the adoption event I went to was 75% pit puppies. I don’t have the sense they want to work themselves out of a job, if that makes sense. And I just don’t see why this is the best long term solution.

Market implies that they are making money. They are not.
It would be wonderful if we could require the southern states to change their policies on neutering and dog ownership....how are you going to do that? Yep, it's absolutely a bandaid but what else are you suggesting be done? You should incredibly unaware of the situation.

What 'policies' do you propose that 'southern' states change ? What 'policies'do you have up north that have actually worked? And how the heck did the state take them over since animal control is generally handled at the county level?

If you look at Wolf Trap Rescue, they essentially took Booneville, Mississippi to almost no euthanization in the shelters. The policy is spay/neuter before adoption. And they do it young because the benefits outweigh the risks.
You just want to be argumentative, but it’s both at the state and county level. Yes, counties control animal control for the most part, but state law comes in to play regarding animal abuse cases.

EVERY shelter requires spay/neuter before adoption, north/south, everywhere. That's been a thing for at least 4 decades. You tell me what exactly you think that 'southern states' need to do.

I just want to point out that the rescue mentioned in the original post DOESN'T require it before adoption. They release the animal with the promise it be done. Here is one example where the listing specifically states the puppy is not sterilized.
https://toolkit.rescuegroups.org/javascript/v2.0/template1?animalID=19150409&key=Mqr6gy1W
You are just wrong.

Oh, sorry, I thought you meant the public shelters, not some ship 'em in, adopt 'em out private group. What's the state supposed to do about that?

Well, nothing. As you pointed out at 18:49, animals shelters are handled at the county level. Shelters don’t spay/neuter before adopting young puppies out either.

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Anonymous wrote:I have a dog from lucky dog too. They’re basically a pipeline from SC shelters to here. I’m not at all sure about it. I think it just creates a market and then there’s no pressure to do anything locally to prevent so many unwanted dogs. These linked are older but the adoption event I went to was 75% pit puppies. I don’t have the sense they want to work themselves out of a job, if that makes sense. And I just don’t see why this is the best long term solution.

Market implies that they are making money. They are not.
It would be wonderful if we could require the southern states to change their policies on neutering and dog ownership....how are you going to do that? Yep, it's absolutely a bandaid but what else are you suggesting be done? You should incredibly unaware of the situation.

What 'policies' do you propose that 'southern' states change ? What 'policies'do you have up north that have actually worked? And how the heck did the state take them over since animal control is generally handled at the county level?

If you look at Wolf Trap Rescue, they essentially took Booneville, Mississippi to almost no euthanization in the shelters. The policy is spay/neuter before adoption. And they do it young because the benefits outweigh the risks.
You just want to be argumentative, but it’s both at the state and county level. Yes, counties control animal control for the most part, but state law comes in to play regarding animal abuse cases.

EVERY shelter requires spay/neuter before adoption, north/south, everywhere. That's been a thing for at least 4 decades. You tell me what exactly you think that 'southern states' need to do.

I just want to point out that the rescue mentioned in the original post DOESN'T require it before adoption. They release the animal with the promise it be done. Here is one example where the listing specifically states the puppy is not sterilized.
https://toolkit.rescuegroups.org/javascript/v2.0/template1?animalID=19150409&key=Mqr6gy1W
You are just wrong.

Oh, sorry, I thought you meant the public shelters, not some ship 'em in, adopt 'em out private group. What's the state supposed to do about that?

The animal shelters in the south aren’t doing much. Volunteer rescues (or as you call it ship em in, adopt em out private groups) are bailing them out.
I really hope no one is discouraged from rescue by this douche wad poster.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I often see posts of folks looking for a rescue dog that would be good for a family, not elderly and not a pitt mix. I'm on lucky dog looking (can't take another dog, but I am browsing!), and say two ones that look really great -- a young spaniel, and a 3-year old flat-coated retriever, both currently in So Carolina.

https://toolkit.rescuegroups.org/javascript/v2.0/template1?animalID=19113930&key=Mqr6gy1W

https://toolkit.rescuegroups.org/javascript/v2.0/template1?animalID=19067996&key=Mqr6gy1W

Also this adorable australian shephard mix (but those are often tough dogs to own!):

https://toolkit.rescuegroups.org/javascript/v2.0/template1?animalID=19119871&key=Mqr6gy1W

That “flat coated retriever” is almost certainly a golden retriever mix. I have a very similar looking one also from luck dog. For the record, she’s about 10% pit per the DNA test and also has a significant amount of Rottweiler, but no one can tell.

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Anonymous wrote:I'd have to drive all the way to SC?

Lucky Dog brings a lot of dogs up from SC that would be euthanized in the shelters down there. Part of the adoption fee goes towards that transport. My yellow lab mix is thru Lucky Dog and was found running in a rural road down there at 10 mos. He’s lovely, he’s 12 this month ( we think) and has cancer but he and my daughter are besties and he had been the most loving dog.

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Lucky Dog and Lost Dog are great bets. You can often tell by looking at a dog what breed. If not, then pass.