SEC RTO -- How'd the first pay period go?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What happened to all the paranoia and hysteria about Covid? Funny how that suddenly disappeared with RTO. What a scam.

management doesn't care about covid, they want to pretend its gone. there is no more covid leave, but folks that are immunocompromised or have an immunocompromised close family member can apply for the temporary medical telework program which will cover 20 weeks of in-office hours. SEC will probably decline TMT for family members after the emergency order is withdrawn in may.

i'm not happy about the covid risks, but currently i just go in when others are not and mask the entire time.

In your mind will Covid ever be "gone" in a sense that we don't have to have special rules because of it, or do you think the world has permanently changed?

And as far as Covid risks, are you really that cautious in your personal life that you avoid all but the most essential indoor functions and then only masked?

I have a colleague like you who is outraged at having to come in to the office based on perceived Covid risks, but is willing to travel, eat out in restaurants, and pretty much live normally outside of work at this point. I wouldn't be shocked if she tried to get TMT, but at least in her case it should be declined.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What happened to all the paranoia and hysteria about Covid? Funny how that suddenly disappeared with RTO. What a scam.

management doesn't care about covid, they want to pretend its gone. there is no more covid leave, but folks that are immunocompromised or have an immunocompromised close family member can apply for the temporary medical telework program which will cover 20 weeks of in-office hours. SEC will probably decline TMT for family members after the emergency order is withdrawn in may.

i'm not happy about the covid risks, but currently i just go in when others are not and mask the entire time.

Are we seriously still on this? If you possess this much fear about Covid to the point where RTO gives you Covid-related anxiety, you need real professional help. That’s not a sarcastic comment. It’s no longer rational to post what you just posted.

[Anonymous]

It was NEVER rational. Except maybe in March 2020.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What happened to all the paranoia and hysteria about Covid? Funny how that suddenly disappeared with RTO. What a scam.

management doesn't care about covid, they want to pretend its gone. there is no more covid leave, but folks that are immunocompromised or have an immunocompromised close family member can apply for the temporary medical telework program which will cover 20 weeks of in-office hours. SEC will probably decline TMT for family members after the emergency order is withdrawn in may.

i'm not happy about the covid risks, but currently i just go in when others are not and mask the entire time.

In your mind will Covid ever be "gone" in a sense that we don't have to have special rules because of it, or do you think the world has permanently changed?

And as far as Covid risks, are you really that cautious in your personal life that you avoid all but the most essential indoor functions and then only masked?

I have a colleague like you who is outraged at having to come in to the office based on perceived Covid risks, but is willing to travel, eat out in restaurants, and pretty much live normally outside of work at this point. I wouldn't be shocked if she tried to get TMT, but at least in her case it should be declined.

Why mischaracterize what I said? I said I was not happy about the covid risks, not that I am *outraged*. I understand based on a close reading of the law that the SEC does not want to be obliged to cover travel time and expenses for all of the staff that are actually required by their jobs to be in the office, and so they won't increase telework past 8 days per pay period. But yes, the world has permanently changed. I'm not sure why anyone wants to sign up for extra helpings of the vascular and neurocognitive damage covid causes, though perhaps like toxoplasmosis it changes the behaviours of its host to promote greater exposure/spread. But I make my living, and support my family, by thinking. I cannot risk that.

I don't eat in restaurants, I will occasionally eat on patios, I wear eye protection and mask when indoors or in crowded places (grocery shopping, office buildings, farmers markets). I test before/after any gatherings, and basically am only ever indoors unmasked with a very small group of people who take similar precautions. I have traveled twice in the last year for specific reasons that i felt outweighed the risks-- helping my mom through cancer surgery was a big one. I had covid once in 2022 and really do not want to get it again. i'm also lucky to be an introvert, I guess, but this is my life now.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What happened to all the paranoia and hysteria about Covid? Funny how that suddenly disappeared with RTO. What a scam.

management doesn't care about covid, they want to pretend its gone. there is no more covid leave, but folks that are immunocompromised or have an immunocompromised close family member can apply for the temporary medical telework program which will cover 20 weeks of in-office hours. SEC will probably decline TMT for family members after the emergency order is withdrawn in may.

i'm not happy about the covid risks, but currently i just go in when others are not and mask the entire time.

In your mind will Covid ever be "gone" in a sense that we don't have to have special rules because of it, or do you think the world has permanently changed?

And as far as Covid risks, are you really that cautious in your personal life that you avoid all but the most essential indoor functions and then only masked?

I have a colleague like you who is outraged at having to come in to the office based on perceived Covid risks, but is willing to travel, eat out in restaurants, and pretty much live normally outside of work at this point. I wouldn't be shocked if she tried to get TMT, but at least in her case it should be declined.

Why mischaracterize what I said? I said I was not happy about the covid risks, not that I am *outraged*. I understand based on a close reading of the law that the SEC does not want to be obliged to cover travel time and expenses for all of the staff that are actually required by their jobs to be in the office, and so they won't increase telework past 8 days per pay period. But yes, the world has permanently changed. I'm not sure why anyone wants to sign up for extra helpings of the vascular and neurocognitive damage covid causes, though perhaps like toxoplasmosis it changes the behaviours of its host to promote greater exposure/spread. But I make my living, and support my family, by thinking. I cannot risk that.

I don't eat in restaurants, I will occasionally eat on patios, I wear eye protection and mask when indoors or in crowded places (grocery shopping, office buildings, farmers markets). I test before/after any gatherings, and basically am only ever indoors unmasked with a very small group of people who take similar precautions. I have traveled twice in the last year for specific reasons that i felt outweighed the risks-- helping my mom through cancer surgery was a big one. I had covid once in 2022 and really do not want to get it again. i'm also lucky to be an introvert, I guess, but this is my life now.

Virtually NO jobs pay their employees for the time and costs of commuting. You are asking for/expecting something that is totally beyond the norm and is completely unreasonable.

If that's how you live in your personal life, then at least you are being consistent, so I'll give you credit for that. It's crazy, but consistent. The world had communicable and potentially serious diseases long before Covid and the world didn't come to a stop and people lived their lives not consumed by fear. We are at a point now -- not by April 2020 as a PP said in an earlier comment - where Covid should be treated the same way. People need to get on with their lives, both personally and professionally.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What happened to all the paranoia and hysteria about Covid? Funny how that suddenly disappeared with RTO. What a scam.

management doesn't care about covid, they want to pretend its gone. there is no more covid leave, but folks that are immunocompromised or have an immunocompromised close family member can apply for the temporary medical telework program which will cover 20 weeks of in-office hours. SEC will probably decline TMT for family members after the emergency order is withdrawn in may.

i'm not happy about the covid risks, but currently i just go in when others are not and mask the entire time.

In your mind will Covid ever be "gone" in a sense that we don't have to have special rules because of it, or do you think the world has permanently changed?

And as far as Covid risks, are you really that cautious in your personal life that you avoid all but the most essential indoor functions and then only masked?

I have a colleague like you who is outraged at having to come in to the office based on perceived Covid risks, but is willing to travel, eat out in restaurants, and pretty much live normally outside of work at this point. I wouldn't be shocked if she tried to get TMT, but at least in her case it should be declined.

Why mischaracterize what I said? I said I was not happy about the covid risks, not that I am *outraged*. I understand based on a close reading of the law that the SEC does not want to be obliged to cover travel time and expenses for all of the staff that are actually required by their jobs to be in the office, and so they won't increase telework past 8 days per pay period. But yes, the world has permanently changed. I'm not sure why anyone wants to sign up for extra helpings of the vascular and neurocognitive damage covid causes, though perhaps like toxoplasmosis it changes the behaviours of its host to promote greater exposure/spread. But I make my living, and support my family, by thinking. I cannot risk that.

I don't eat in restaurants, I will occasionally eat on patios, I wear eye protection and mask when indoors or in crowded places (grocery shopping, office buildings, farmers markets). I test before/after any gatherings, and basically am only ever indoors unmasked with a very small group of people who take similar precautions. I have traveled twice in the last year for specific reasons that i felt outweighed the risks-- helping my mom through cancer surgery was a big one. I had covid once in 2022 and really do not want to get it again. i'm also lucky to be an introvert, I guess, but this is my life now.

Virtually NO jobs pay their employees for the time and costs of commuting. You are asking for/expecting something that is totally beyond the norm and is completely unreasonable.

If that's how you live in your personal life, then at least you are being consistent, so I'll give you credit for that. It's crazy, but consistent. The world had communicable and potentially serious diseases long before Covid and the world didn't come to a stop and people lived their lives not consumed by fear. We are at a point now -- not by April 2020 as a PP said in an earlier comment - where Covid should be treated the same way. People need to get on with their lives, both personally and professionally.

I agree. Also - people need to stop blaming being “introverted” and using it like an excuse or a badge. I’m introverted too. That means I get tired from a lot of interaction. On Teams I interact all day. It’s constant. It exhausts me. I’m also social, which has nothing to do with being introverted.

I maintain you should seek emotional support from a qualified professional. The way you’re treating Covid is now absolutely irrational.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What happened to all the paranoia and hysteria about Covid? Funny how that suddenly disappeared with RTO. What a scam.

management doesn't care about covid, they want to pretend its gone. there is no more covid leave, but folks that are immunocompromised or have an immunocompromised close family member can apply for the temporary medical telework program which will cover 20 weeks of in-office hours. SEC will probably decline TMT for family members after the emergency order is withdrawn in may.

i'm not happy about the covid risks, but currently i just go in when others are not and mask the entire time.

In your mind will Covid ever be "gone" in a sense that we don't have to have special rules because of it, or do you think the world has permanently changed?

And as far as Covid risks, are you really that cautious in your personal life that you avoid all but the most essential indoor functions and then only masked?

I have a colleague like you who is outraged at having to come in to the office based on perceived Covid risks, but is willing to travel, eat out in restaurants, and pretty much live normally outside of work at this point. I wouldn't be shocked if she tried to get TMT, but at least in her case it should be declined.

Why mischaracterize what I said? I said I was not happy about the covid risks, not that I am *outraged*. I understand based on a close reading of the law that the SEC does not want to be obliged to cover travel time and expenses for all of the staff that are actually required by their jobs to be in the office, and so they won't increase telework past 8 days per pay period. But yes, the world has permanently changed. I'm not sure why anyone wants to sign up for extra helpings of the vascular and neurocognitive damage covid causes, though perhaps like toxoplasmosis it changes the behaviours of its host to promote greater exposure/spread. But I make my living, and support my family, by thinking. I cannot risk that.

I don't eat in restaurants, I will occasionally eat on patios, I wear eye protection and mask when indoors or in crowded places (grocery shopping, office buildings, farmers markets). I test before/after any gatherings, and basically am only ever indoors unmasked with a very small group of people who take similar precautions. I have traveled twice in the last year for specific reasons that i felt outweighed the risks-- helping my mom through cancer surgery was a big one. I had covid once in 2022 and really do not want to get it again. i'm also lucky to be an introvert, I guess, but this is my life now.

Virtually NO jobs pay their employees for the time and costs of commuting. You are asking for/expecting something that is totally beyond the norm and is completely unreasonable.

If that's how you live in your personal life, then at least you are being consistent, so I'll give you credit for that. It's crazy, but consistent. The world had communicable and potentially serious diseases long before Covid and the world didn't come to a stop and people lived their lives not consumed by fear. We are at a point now -- not by April 2020 as a PP said in an earlier comment - where Covid should be treated the same way. People need to get on with their lives, both personally and professionally.

You have reading comprehension problems. How many times have you had covid? Of course, you probably don't test, so you probably don't know.

I am not asking for nor expecting the bolded text-- the SEC argument to the FSIP was that to allow fewer than two days per pay period in the office would OBLIGATE the SEC under existing law to absorb those costs. The union was not asking for that, either, but the SEC successfully argued that without a change in the law, RTO at 2 days per pay period had to happen to shield the SEC from those costs.

Anyway. Humans are notoriously bad at assessing the risk of actions, especially the cumulative risk of actions, when the consequences are on a very long tail and the gratification is immediate. Just like it's really hard to see total cost of, say, dying from lung cancer vs having a cigarette when someone is 16 and feels immortal, or dying from cervical cancer from having unprotected sex, or dying from COPD when the only option for employment is the local coal mine.

I have some asbestos flooring that needs to come up, looks completely harmless. Want to earn some cash over the weekend? Super light labor.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What happened to all the paranoia and hysteria about Covid? Funny how that suddenly disappeared with RTO. What a scam.

management doesn't care about covid, they want to pretend its gone. there is no more covid leave, but folks that are immunocompromised or have an immunocompromised close family member can apply for the temporary medical telework program which will cover 20 weeks of in-office hours. SEC will probably decline TMT for family members after the emergency order is withdrawn in may.

i'm not happy about the covid risks, but currently i just go in when others are not and mask the entire time.

In your mind will Covid ever be "gone" in a sense that we don't have to have special rules because of it, or do you think the world has permanently changed?

And as far as Covid risks, are you really that cautious in your personal life that you avoid all but the most essential indoor functions and then only masked?

I have a colleague like you who is outraged at having to come in to the office based on perceived Covid risks, but is willing to travel, eat out in restaurants, and pretty much live normally outside of work at this point. I wouldn't be shocked if she tried to get TMT, but at least in her case it should be declined.

Why mischaracterize what I said? I said I was not happy about the covid risks, not that I am *outraged*. I understand based on a close reading of the law that the SEC does not want to be obliged to cover travel time and expenses for all of the staff that are actually required by their jobs to be in the office, and so they won't increase telework past 8 days per pay period. But yes, the world has permanently changed. I'm not sure why anyone wants to sign up for extra helpings of the vascular and neurocognitive damage covid causes, though perhaps like toxoplasmosis it changes the behaviours of its host to promote greater exposure/spread. But I make my living, and support my family, by thinking. I cannot risk that.

I don't eat in restaurants, I will occasionally eat on patios, I wear eye protection and mask when indoors or in crowded places (grocery shopping, office buildings, farmers markets). I test before/after any gatherings, and basically am only ever indoors unmasked with a very small group of people who take similar precautions. I have traveled twice in the last year for specific reasons that i felt outweighed the risks-- helping my mom through cancer surgery was a big one. I had covid once in 2022 and really do not want to get it again. i'm also lucky to be an introvert, I guess, but this is my life now.

Virtually NO jobs pay their employees for the time and costs of commuting. You are asking for/expecting something that is totally beyond the norm and is completely unreasonable.

If that's how you live in your personal life, then at least you are being consistent, so I'll give you credit for that. It's crazy, but consistent. The world had communicable and potentially serious diseases long before Covid and the world didn't come to a stop and people lived their lives not consumed by fear. We are at a point now -- not by April 2020 as a PP said in an earlier comment - where Covid should be treated the same way. People need to get on with their lives, both personally and professionally.

You have reading comprehension problems. How many times have you had covid? Of course, you probably don't test, so you probably don't know.

I am not asking for nor expecting the bolded text-- the SEC argument to the FSIP was that to allow fewer than two days per pay period in the office would OBLIGATE the SEC under existing law to absorb those costs. The union was not asking for that, either, but the SEC successfully argued that without a change in the law, RTO at 2 days per pay period had to happen to shield the SEC from those costs.

Anyway. Humans are notoriously bad at assessing the risk of actions, especially the cumulative risk of actions, when the consequences are on a very long tail and the gratification is immediate. Just like it's really hard to see total cost of, say, dying from lung cancer vs having a cigarette when someone is 16 and feels immortal, or dying from cervical cancer from having unprotected sex, or dying from COPD when the only option for employment is the local coal mine.

I have some asbestos flooring that needs to come up, looks completely harmless. Want to earn some cash over the weekend? Super light labor.

If you are talking reading comprehension, where did you get anything that suggested how many times I had or had not had Covid. FYI, I've had it twice. And I'm far from the Covidiot you are trying to paint me as "you probably don't test". When reasonable risk assessments called for it, I substantially changed my behavior and avoided almost all indoor contact. But that's no longer the world we live in and you seem to be a living breathing example of people being pure at judging risks, which cuts both ways, not just underestimating risks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What happened to all the paranoia and hysteria about Covid? Funny how that suddenly disappeared with RTO. What a scam.

management doesn't care about covid, they want to pretend its gone. there is no more covid leave, but folks that are immunocompromised or have an immunocompromised close family member can apply for the temporary medical telework program which will cover 20 weeks of in-office hours. SEC will probably decline TMT for family members after the emergency order is withdrawn in may.

i'm not happy about the covid risks, but currently i just go in when others are not and mask the entire time.

In your mind will Covid ever be "gone" in a sense that we don't have to have special rules because of it, or do you think the world has permanently changed?

And as far as Covid risks, are you really that cautious in your personal life that you avoid all but the most essential indoor functions and then only masked?

I have a colleague like you who is outraged at having to come in to the office based on perceived Covid risks, but is willing to travel, eat out in restaurants, and pretty much live normally outside of work at this point. I wouldn't be shocked if she tried to get TMT, but at least in her case it should be declined.

Why mischaracterize what I said? I said I was not happy about the covid risks, not that I am *outraged*. I understand based on a close reading of the law that the SEC does not want to be obliged to cover travel time and expenses for all of the staff that are actually required by their jobs to be in the office, and so they won't increase telework past 8 days per pay period. But yes, the world has permanently changed. I'm not sure why anyone wants to sign up for extra helpings of the vascular and neurocognitive damage covid causes, though perhaps like toxoplasmosis it changes the behaviours of its host to promote greater exposure/spread. But I make my living, and support my family, by thinking. I cannot risk that.

I don't eat in restaurants, I will occasionally eat on patios, I wear eye protection and mask when indoors or in crowded places (grocery shopping, office buildings, farmers markets). I test before/after any gatherings, and basically am only ever indoors unmasked with a very small group of people who take similar precautions. I have traveled twice in the last year for specific reasons that i felt outweighed the risks-- helping my mom through cancer surgery was a big one. I had covid once in 2022 and really do not want to get it again. i'm also lucky to be an introvert, I guess, but this is my life now.

Virtually NO jobs pay their employees for the time and costs of commuting. You are asking for/expecting something that is totally beyond the norm and is completely unreasonable.

If that's how you live in your personal life, then at least you are being consistent, so I'll give you credit for that. It's crazy, but consistent. The world had communicable and potentially serious diseases long before Covid and the world didn't come to a stop and people lived their lives not consumed by fear. We are at a point now -- not by April 2020 as a PP said in an earlier comment - where Covid should be treated the same way. People need to get on with their lives, both personally and professionally.

You have reading comprehension problems. How many times have you had covid? Of course, you probably don't test, so you probably don't know.

I am not asking for nor expecting the bolded text-- the SEC argument to the FSIP was that to allow fewer than two days per pay period in the office would OBLIGATE the SEC under existing law to absorb those costs. The union was not asking for that, either, but the SEC successfully argued that without a change in the law, RTO at 2 days per pay period had to happen to shield the SEC from those costs.

Anyway. Humans are notoriously bad at assessing the risk of actions, especially the cumulative risk of actions, when the consequences are on a very long tail and the gratification is immediate. Just like it's really hard to see total cost of, say, dying from lung cancer vs having a cigarette when someone is 16 and feels immortal, or dying from cervical cancer from having unprotected sex, or dying from COPD when the only option for employment is the local coal mine.

I have some asbestos flooring that needs to come up, looks completely harmless. Want to earn some cash over the weekend? Super light labor.

If you are talking reading comprehension, where did you get anything that suggested how many times I had or had not had Covid. FYI, I've had it twice. And I'm far from the Covidiot you are trying to paint me as "you probably don't test". When reasonable risk assessments called for it, I substantially changed my behavior and avoided almost all indoor contact. But that's no longer the world we live in and you seem to be a living breathing example of people being pure at judging risks, which cuts both ways, not just underestimating risks.

Each time you get covid has a measurable impact on your cognition. I said I wasn't happy with the covid risks but had returned to the office, you claimed I was "outraged". I said I understood the legal basis of the two days per pay period RTO, you accused me of "asking for/expecting something that is totally beyond the norm and is completely unreasonable"... imagining that I expected the SEC to pay for commute time and cost.

As for the world we live in, I'll point you to the precautions taken at WEF-- as a random person said on twitter: "Davos was the litmus test. If the richest on the planet, thought leaders, didn’t need any precautions then this truly was behind us & not something to take so seriously. Cue the opposite. If all those precautions are necessary and good enough for them, they’re good enough for me."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2023/01/20/world-economic-forum-is-taking-all-these-covid-19-precautions-at-davos/?sh=453f72526304

Apparently, though, our immediate economy requires the grunts to feel like there's nothing to worry about. Cool, that's you, you've got that sorted. I have the ability to mask and predominately stay at home, I'm going to do that. I'm not anxious or emotionally wrought over it. I have a lovely home, it's great to enjoy it for most of the month.

[Anonymous]

I was happy to be back. I coordinated with my friends so we are in person on the same day.

[Anonymous]

My estimation of SEC employees has decreased dramatically after reading this thread.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:it's... whatever. my office mate moved 1000 miles away, so i just ensure i am not in the office when they come in for their local week (aka, thursday, friday, monday, tuesday).

somehow they are going to have to restack all of the non-contractors in sp3, as well as all of the new hires, in the next couple months since the plan is for sp3 to be empty by june for the rest of the physical handover.

the equipment is a lot shittier than what I have at home, so between the flickering overhead lights and the slightly blurry monitors I end my in-office day with a migraine. otoh, at least i only need to come in two days a pay period. under the previous CBA, I'd be stuck at only two days of telework a week for basically ever.

This id one of my biggest issues. My stuff at home is just so much better.

And having windows at home is nice….

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What happened to all the paranoia and hysteria about Covid? Funny how that suddenly disappeared with RTO. What a scam.

management doesn't care about covid, they want to pretend its gone. there is no more covid leave, but folks that are immunocompromised or have an immunocompromised close family member can apply for the temporary medical telework program which will cover 20 weeks of in-office hours. SEC will probably decline TMT for family members after the emergency order is withdrawn in may.

i'm not happy about the covid risks, but currently i just go in when others are not and mask the entire time.

In your mind will Covid ever be "gone" in a sense that we don't have to have special rules because of it, or do you think the world has permanently changed?

And as far as Covid risks, are you really that cautious in your personal life that you avoid all but the most essential indoor functions and then only masked?

I have a colleague like you who is outraged at having to come in to the office based on perceived Covid risks, but is willing to travel, eat out in restaurants, and pretty much live normally outside of work at this point. I wouldn't be shocked if she tried to get TMT, but at least in her case it should be declined.

Why mischaracterize what I said? I said I was not happy about the covid risks, not that I am *outraged*. I understand based on a close reading of the law that the SEC does not want to be obliged to cover travel time and expenses for all of the staff that are actually required by their jobs to be in the office, and so they won't increase telework past 8 days per pay period. But yes, the world has permanently changed. I'm not sure why anyone wants to sign up for extra helpings of the vascular and neurocognitive damage covid causes, though perhaps like toxoplasmosis it changes the behaviours of its host to promote greater exposure/spread. But I make my living, and support my family, by thinking. I cannot risk that.

I don't eat in restaurants, I will occasionally eat on patios, I wear eye protection and mask when indoors or in crowded places (grocery shopping, office buildings, farmers markets). I test before/after any gatherings, and basically am only ever indoors unmasked with a very small group of people who take similar precautions. I have traveled twice in the last year for specific reasons that i felt outweighed the risks-- helping my mom through cancer surgery was a big one. I had covid once in 2022 and really do not want to get it again. i'm also lucky to be an introvert, I guess, but this is my life now.

Virtually NO jobs pay their employees for the time and costs of commuting. You are asking for/expecting something that is totally beyond the norm and is completely unreasonable.

If that's how you live in your personal life, then at least you are being consistent, so I'll give you credit for that. It's crazy, but consistent. The world had communicable and potentially serious diseases long before Covid and the world didn't come to a stop and people lived their lives not consumed by fear. We are at a point now -- not by April 2020 as a PP said in an earlier comment - where Covid should be treated the same way. People need to get on with their lives, both personally and professionally.

You have reading comprehension problems. How many times have you had covid? Of course, you probably don't test, so you probably don't know.

I am not asking for nor expecting the bolded text-- the SEC argument to the FSIP was that to allow fewer than two days per pay period in the office would OBLIGATE the SEC under existing law to absorb those costs. The union was not asking for that, either, but the SEC successfully argued that without a change in the law, RTO at 2 days per pay period had to happen to shield the SEC from those costs.

Anyway. Humans are notoriously bad at assessing the risk of actions, especially the cumulative risk of actions, when the consequences are on a very long tail and the gratification is immediate. Just like it's really hard to see total cost of, say, dying from lung cancer vs having a cigarette when someone is 16 and feels immortal, or dying from cervical cancer from having unprotected sex, or dying from COPD when the only option for employment is the local coal mine.

I have some asbestos flooring that needs to come up, looks completely harmless. Want to earn some cash over the weekend? Super light labor.

If you are talking reading comprehension, where did you get anything that suggested how many times I had or had not had Covid. FYI, I've had it twice. And I'm far from the Covidiot you are trying to paint me as "you probably don't test". When reasonable risk assessments called for it, I substantially changed my behavior and avoided almost all indoor contact. But that's no longer the world we live in and you seem to be a living breathing example of people being pure at judging risks, which cuts both ways, not just underestimating risks.

Each time you get covid has a measurable impact on your cognition. I said I wasn't happy with the covid risks but had returned to the office, you claimed I was "outraged". I said I understood the legal basis of the two days per pay period RTO, you accused me of "asking for/expecting something that is totally beyond the norm and is completely unreasonable"... imagining that I expected the SEC to pay for commute time and cost.

As for the world we live in, I'll point you to the precautions taken at WEF-- as a random person said on twitter: "Davos was the litmus test. If the richest on the planet, thought leaders, didn’t need any precautions then this truly was behind us & not something to take so seriously. Cue the opposite. If all those precautions are necessary and good enough for them, they’re good enough for me."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2023/01/20/world-economic-forum-is-taking-all-these-covid-19-precautions-at-davos/?sh=453f72526304

Apparently, though, our immediate economy requires the grunts to feel like there's nothing to worry about. Cool, that's you, you've got that sorted. I have the ability to mask and predominately stay at home, I'm going to do that. I'm not anxious or emotionally wrought over it. I have a lovely home, it's great to enjoy it for most of the month.

Some people got so happy standing on that soap box in 2020 that they just can’t get themselves together off of it. The feeling of superiority is just too important.

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Anonymous wrote:What happened to all the paranoia and hysteria about Covid? Funny how that suddenly disappeared with RTO. What a scam.

management doesn't care about covid, they want to pretend its gone. there is no more covid leave, but folks that are immunocompromised or have an immunocompromised close family member can apply for the temporary medical telework program which will cover 20 weeks of in-office hours. SEC will probably decline TMT for family members after the emergency order is withdrawn in may.

i'm not happy about the covid risks, but currently i just go in when others are not and mask the entire time.

In your mind will Covid ever be "gone" in a sense that we don't have to have special rules because of it, or do you think the world has permanently changed?

And as far as Covid risks, are you really that cautious in your personal life that you avoid all but the most essential indoor functions and then only masked?

I have a colleague like you who is outraged at having to come in to the office based on perceived Covid risks, but is willing to travel, eat out in restaurants, and pretty much live normally outside of work at this point. I wouldn't be shocked if she tried to get TMT, but at least in her case it should be declined.

Why mischaracterize what I said? I said I was not happy about the covid risks, not that I am *outraged*. I understand based on a close reading of the law that the SEC does not want to be obliged to cover travel time and expenses for all of the staff that are actually required by their jobs to be in the office, and so they won't increase telework past 8 days per pay period. But yes, the world has permanently changed. I'm not sure why anyone wants to sign up for extra helpings of the vascular and neurocognitive damage covid causes, though perhaps like toxoplasmosis it changes the behaviours of its host to promote greater exposure/spread. But I make my living, and support my family, by thinking. I cannot risk that.

I don't eat in restaurants, I will occasionally eat on patios, I wear eye protection and mask when indoors or in crowded places (grocery shopping, office buildings, farmers markets). I test before/after any gatherings, and basically am only ever indoors unmasked with a very small group of people who take similar precautions. I have traveled twice in the last year for specific reasons that i felt outweighed the risks-- helping my mom through cancer surgery was a big one. I had covid once in 2022 and really do not want to get it again. i'm also lucky to be an introvert, I guess, but this is my life now.

Virtually NO jobs pay their employees for the time and costs of commuting. You are asking for/expecting something that is totally beyond the norm and is completely unreasonable.

If that's how you live in your personal life, then at least you are being consistent, so I'll give you credit for that. It's crazy, but consistent. The world had communicable and potentially serious diseases long before Covid and the world didn't come to a stop and people lived their lives not consumed by fear. We are at a point now -- not by April 2020 as a PP said in an earlier comment - where Covid should be treated the same way. People need to get on with their lives, both personally and professionally.

You have reading comprehension problems. How many times have you had covid? Of course, you probably don't test, so you probably don't know.

I am not asking for nor expecting the bolded text-- the SEC argument to the FSIP was that to allow fewer than two days per pay period in the office would OBLIGATE the SEC under existing law to absorb those costs. The union was not asking for that, either, but the SEC successfully argued that without a change in the law, RTO at 2 days per pay period had to happen to shield the SEC from those costs.

Anyway. Humans are notoriously bad at assessing the risk of actions, especially the cumulative risk of actions, when the consequences are on a very long tail and the gratification is immediate. Just like it's really hard to see total cost of, say, dying from lung cancer vs having a cigarette when someone is 16 and feels immortal, or dying from cervical cancer from having unprotected sex, or dying from COPD when the only option for employment is the local coal mine.

I have some asbestos flooring that needs to come up, looks completely harmless. Want to earn some cash over the weekend? Super light labor.

If you are talking reading comprehension, where did you get anything that suggested how many times I had or had not had Covid. FYI, I've had it twice. And I'm far from the Covidiot you are trying to paint me as "you probably don't test". When reasonable risk assessments called for it, I substantially changed my behavior and avoided almost all indoor contact. But that's no longer the world we live in and you seem to be a living breathing example of people being pure at judging risks, which cuts both ways, not just underestimating risks.

Each time you get covid has a measurable impact on your cognition. I said I wasn't happy with the covid risks but had returned to the office, you claimed I was "outraged". I said I understood the legal basis of the two days per pay period RTO, you accused me of "asking for/expecting something that is totally beyond the norm and is completely unreasonable"... imagining that I expected the SEC to pay for commute time and cost.

As for the world we live in, I'll point you to the precautions taken at WEF-- as a random person said on twitter: "Davos was the litmus test. If the richest on the planet, thought leaders, didn’t need any precautions then this truly was behind us & not something to take so seriously. Cue the opposite. If all those precautions are necessary and good enough for them, they’re good enough for me."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2023/01/20/world-economic-forum-is-taking-all-these-covid-19-precautions-at-davos/?sh=453f72526304

Apparently, though, our immediate economy requires the grunts to feel like there's nothing to worry about. Cool, that's you, you've got that sorted. I have the ability to mask and predominately stay at home, I'm going to do that. I'm not anxious or emotionally wrought over it. I have a lovely home, it's great to enjoy it for most of the month.

Ah yes, the very authoritative "random person on Twitter."

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Anonymous wrote:My estimation of SEC employees has decreased dramatically after reading this thread.

because a couple random shitposters on a mommy blog are representative of an entire agency....