Denver school shooting suspect was on probation

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Anonymous wrote:America cares more about gun rights than people’s lives, OP. The conservatives and many liberals in Congress do not care that people are dying.

they could jail people for gun crimes and have prevented this shooting

I don’t know much about juvenile law so I can’t comment. But I leave it to conservatives to look for anything BUT the most obvious answer. Meanwhile Americans keep dying from an easily solved problem. It wasn’t always like this. 2nd Amendment folks assist murderers. Hell of a job, you’re doing! *slow clap*

what gun law? He already broke gun laws and they didn’t punish him. Then he broke gun laws again while on probation for his prior gun law violation

So your answer is what? Because my answer is to get rid of guns. Your answer is to get rid of the kid- and go where? on whose dime? for how long? Breaking a gun law doesn't meet the threshold over his rights.

He has no right to have a gun in the first place. He is a minor.
He was a criminal. And, the "system" seemed to be more concerned with the rights of this criminal than the rights of others. And, so do you.
And, your answer is to take firearms away from law abiding citizens because criminals have them. So, let's say that happens..... Who will be the ones with firearms then? You think criminals are going to turn in their firearms?

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[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:America cares more about gun rights than people’s lives, OP. The conservatives and many liberals in Congress do not care that people are dying.

they could jail people for gun crimes and have prevented this shooting

I don’t know much about juvenile law so I can’t comment. But I leave it to conservatives to look for anything BUT the most obvious answer. Meanwhile Americans keep dying from an easily solved problem. It wasn’t always like this. 2nd Amendment folks assist murderers. Hell of a job, you’re doing! *slow clap*

what gun law? He already broke gun laws and they didn’t punish him. Then he broke gun laws again while on probation for his prior gun law violation

So your answer is what? Because my answer is to get rid of guns. Your answer is to get rid of the kid- and go where? on whose dime? for how long? Breaking a gun law doesn't meet the threshold over his rights.

He has no right to have a gun in the first place. He is a minor.
He was a criminal. And, the "system" seemed to be more concerned with the rights of this criminal than the rights of others. And, so do you.
And, your answer is to take firearms away from law abiding citizens because criminals have them. So, let's say that happens..... Who will be the ones with firearms then? You think criminals are going to turn in their firearms?

DP. Most of the world manages to deal with criminals in their midst without arming their citizenry.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:America cares more about gun rights than people’s lives, OP. The conservatives and many liberals in Congress do not care that people are dying.

they could jail people for gun crimes and have prevented this shooting

I don’t know much about juvenile law so I can’t comment. But I leave it to conservatives to look for anything BUT the most obvious answer. Meanwhile Americans keep dying from an easily solved problem. It wasn’t always like this. 2nd Amendment folks assist murderers. Hell of a job, you’re doing! *slow clap*

what gun law? He already broke gun laws and they didn’t punish him. Then he broke gun laws again while on probation for his prior gun law violation

So your answer is what? Because my answer is to get rid of guns. Your answer is to get rid of the kid- and go where? on whose dime? for how long? Breaking a gun law doesn't meet the threshold over his rights.

He has no right to have a gun in the first place. He is a minor.
He was a criminal. And, the "system" seemed to be more concerned with the rights of this criminal than the rights of others. And, so do you.
And, your answer is to take firearms away from law abiding citizens because criminals have them. So, let's say that happens..... Who will be the ones with firearms then? You think criminals are going to turn in their firearms?

A minor is not the same as an adult. You didn't answer the question of what to do with all of these locked up people that we have no room to imprison.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:America cares more about gun rights than people’s lives, OP. The conservatives and many liberals in Congress do not care that people are dying.

they could jail people for gun crimes and have prevented this shooting

I don’t know much about juvenile law so I can’t comment. But I leave it to conservatives to look for anything BUT the most obvious answer. Meanwhile Americans keep dying from an easily solved problem. It wasn’t always like this. 2nd Amendment folks assist murderers. Hell of a job, you’re doing! *slow clap*

what gun law? He already broke gun laws and they didn’t punish him. Then he broke gun laws again while on probation for his prior gun law violation

So your answer is what? Because my answer is to get rid of guns. Your answer is to get rid of the kid- and go where? on whose dime? for how long? Breaking a gun law doesn't meet the threshold over his rights.

He has no right to have a gun in the first place. He is a minor.
He was a criminal. And, the "system" seemed to be more concerned with the rights of this criminal than the rights of others. And, so do you.
And, your answer is to take firearms away from law abiding citizens because criminals have them. So, let's say that happens..... Who will be the ones with firearms then? You think criminals are going to turn in their firearms?

DP. Most of the world manages to deal with criminals in their midst without arming their citizenry.

Most places in the the world have pretty harsh sentences for violent crimes. They also do not provide a free public education to older teens who don't show academic aptitide.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:America cares more about gun rights than people’s lives, OP. The conservatives and many liberals in Congress do not care that people are dying.

they could jail people for gun crimes and have prevented this shooting

I don’t know much about juvenile law so I can’t comment. But I leave it to conservatives to look for anything BUT the most obvious answer. Meanwhile Americans keep dying from an easily solved problem. It wasn’t always like this. 2nd Amendment folks assist murderers. Hell of a job, you’re doing! *slow clap*

what gun law? He already broke gun laws and they didn’t punish him. Then he broke gun laws again while on probation for his prior gun law violation

So your answer is what? Because my answer is to get rid of guns. Your answer is to get rid of the kid- and go where? on whose dime? for how long? Breaking a gun law doesn't meet the threshold over his rights.

He has no right to have a gun in the first place. He is a minor.
He was a criminal. And, the "system" seemed to be more concerned with the rights of this criminal than the rights of others. And, so do you.
And, your answer is to take firearms away from law abiding citizens because criminals have them. So, let's say that happens..... Who will be the ones with firearms then? You think criminals are going to turn in their firearms?

A minor is not the same as an adult. You didn't answer the question of what to do with all of these locked up people that we have no room to imprison.

Educate them in an alternative educational setting that minimizes possible violence towards innocent classmates. This young man should not have been walking freely around that school building.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:America cares more about gun rights than people’s lives, OP. The conservatives and many liberals in Congress do not care that people are dying.

they could jail people for gun crimes and have prevented this shooting

I don’t know much about juvenile law so I can’t comment. But I leave it to conservatives to look for anything BUT the most obvious answer. Meanwhile Americans keep dying from an easily solved problem. It wasn’t always like this. 2nd Amendment folks assist murderers. Hell of a job, you’re doing! *slow clap*

what gun law? He already broke gun laws and they didn’t punish him. Then he broke gun laws again while on probation for his prior gun law violation

So your answer is what? Because my answer is to get rid of guns. Your answer is to get rid of the kid- and go where? on whose dime? for how long? Breaking a gun law doesn't meet the threshold over his rights.

He has no right to have a gun in the first place. He is a minor.
He was a criminal. And, the "system" seemed to be more concerned with the rights of this criminal than the rights of others. And, so do you.
And, your answer is to take firearms away from law abiding citizens because criminals have them. So, let's say that happens..... Who will be the ones with firearms then? You think criminals are going to turn in their firearms?

A minor is not the same as an adult. You didn't answer the question of what to do with all of these locked up people that we have no room to imprison.

Educate them in an alternative educational setting that minimizes possible violence towards innocent classmates. This young man should not have been walking freely around that school building.

That's not a fix. He's turned into the workforce at some point and does the same.

What's wrong with you?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:America cares more about gun rights than people’s lives, OP. The conservatives and many liberals in Congress do not care that people are dying.

they could jail people for gun crimes and have prevented this shooting

I don’t know much about juvenile law so I can’t comment. But I leave it to conservatives to look for anything BUT the most obvious answer. Meanwhile Americans keep dying from an easily solved problem. It wasn’t always like this. 2nd Amendment folks assist murderers. Hell of a job, you’re doing! *slow clap*

what gun law? He already broke gun laws and they didn’t punish him. Then he broke gun laws again while on probation for his prior gun law violation

So your answer is what? Because my answer is to get rid of guns. Your answer is to get rid of the kid- and go where? on whose dime? for how long? Breaking a gun law doesn't meet the threshold over his rights.

He has no right to have a gun in the first place. He is a minor.
He was a criminal. And, the "system" seemed to be more concerned with the rights of this criminal than the rights of others. And, so do you.
And, your answer is to take firearms away from law abiding citizens because criminals have them. So, let's say that happens..... Who will be the ones with firearms then? You think criminals are going to turn in their firearms?

A minor is not the same as an adult. You didn't answer the question of what to do with all of these locked up people that we have no room to imprison.

Educate them in an alternative educational setting that minimizes possible violence towards innocent classmates. This young man should not have been walking freely around that school building.

That's not a fix. He's turned into the workforce at some point and does the same.

What's wrong with you?

PP here. Some kids can't be "fixed," but we can try to help and support in an alternative setting that keeps other kids safe and prevents possible suicides like this one.

[Anonymous]

Juvenile justice system is dangerous because violent kids can remain violent adults , still buy guns, their past violence hidden. It should only be used for non violent crimes /not involving weapons

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:America cares more about gun rights than people’s lives, OP. The conservatives and many liberals in Congress do not care that people are dying.

they could jail people for gun crimes and have prevented this shooting

I don’t know much about juvenile law so I can’t comment. But I leave it to conservatives to look for anything BUT the most obvious answer. Meanwhile Americans keep dying from an easily solved problem. It wasn’t always like this. 2nd Amendment folks assist murderers. Hell of a job, you’re doing! *slow clap*

what gun law? He already broke gun laws and they didn’t punish him. Then he broke gun laws again while on probation for his prior gun law violation

So your answer is what? Because my answer is to get rid of guns. Your answer is to get rid of the kid- and go where? on whose dime? for how long? Breaking a gun law doesn't meet the threshold over his rights.

He has no right to have a gun in the first place. He is a minor.
He was a criminal. And, the "system" seemed to be more concerned with the rights of this criminal than the rights of others. And, so do you.
And, your answer is to take firearms away from law abiding citizens because criminals have them. So, let's say that happens..... Who will be the ones with firearms then? You think criminals are going to turn in their firearms?

DP. Most of the world manages to deal with criminals in their midst without arming their citizenry.

Most places in the the world have pretty harsh sentences for violent crimes. They also do not provide a free public education to older teens who don't show academic aptitide.

We incarcerate more people than most countries in the world so I'm not sure what you mean by "most places in the world have pretty harsh sentences for violent crime." Please show your stats. I'm pretty sure that most developed nations (to which we supposedly belong) don't have harsher sentences than us. Also, what are you stats for "most countries" not providing a free public education to "older teens who don't show academic aptitude"?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:America cares more about gun rights than people’s lives, OP. The conservatives and many liberals in Congress do not care that people are dying.

they could jail people for gun crimes and have prevented this shooting

I don’t know much about juvenile law so I can’t comment. But I leave it to conservatives to look for anything BUT the most obvious answer. Meanwhile Americans keep dying from an easily solved problem. It wasn’t always like this. 2nd Amendment folks assist murderers. Hell of a job, you’re doing! *slow clap*

what gun law? He already broke gun laws and they didn’t punish him. Then he broke gun laws again while on probation for his prior gun law violation

So your answer is what? Because my answer is to get rid of guns. Your answer is to get rid of the kid- and go where? on whose dime? for how long? Breaking a gun law doesn't meet the threshold over his rights.

He has no right to have a gun in the first place. He is a minor.
He was a criminal. And, the "system" seemed to be more concerned with the rights of this criminal than the rights of others. And, so do you.
And, your answer is to take firearms away from law abiding citizens because criminals have them. So, let's say that happens..... Who will be the ones with firearms then? You think criminals are going to turn in their firearms?

DP. Most of the world manages to deal with criminals in their midst without arming their citizenry.

Most places in the the world have pretty harsh sentences for violent crimes. They also do not provide a free public education to older teens who don't show academic aptitide.

We incarcerate more people than most countries in the world so I'm not sure what you mean by "most places in the world have pretty harsh sentences for violent crime." Please show your stats. I'm pretty sure that most developed nations (to which we supposedly belong) don't have harsher sentences than us. Also, what are you stats for "most countries" not providing a free public education to "older teens who don't show academic aptitude"?

PP here. Try reading. It's too much to report. Those of us in the education field are aware.

[Anonymous]

Turns out the shooter's story is more nuanced than just "violent kid with gun."

Of note:

The shooter was a 2A advocate: "..a bright, 17-year-old and passionate advocate for the Second Amendment right to bear arms who felt he had the right to possess firearms — perhaps even on a high school campus. And law enforcement sources say that attitude, at least partly, led him on a tortured 16-month path from a promising future as a potential engineering major to the woods outside of Bailey where he took his own life earlier this week."

And he wasn't someone without academic aptitude, as an earlier poster suggested: "He was described as making good grades and progressing on probation."

I'm guessing there are mental health issues with this kid that may never come to light. Nevertheless, the students and staff at the school should have never had to deal with the presence of a student at the school who had an intense interest in guns and who was known to possess guns. Given the history of school shootings in the US, we should have a zero tolerance approach to students who even hint at having a gun, let alone possessing one.

https://denverite.com/2023/03/24/east-high-school-shooter-history/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:America cares more about gun rights than people’s lives, OP. The conservatives and many liberals in Congress do not care that people are dying.

they could jail people for gun crimes and have prevented this shooting

I don’t know much about juvenile law so I can’t comment. But I leave it to conservatives to look for anything BUT the most obvious answer. Meanwhile Americans keep dying from an easily solved problem. It wasn’t always like this. 2nd Amendment folks assist murderers. Hell of a job, you’re doing! *slow clap*

what gun law? He already broke gun laws and they didn’t punish him. Then he broke gun laws again while on probation for his prior gun law violation

So your answer is what? Because my answer is to get rid of guns. Your answer is to get rid of the kid- and go where? on whose dime? for how long? Breaking a gun law doesn't meet the threshold over his rights.

Many people broke vehicle laws Today, so time to get rid of all cars right?

[Anonymous]

You gun hating repeat the same skreed over and over folks fail to acknowledge the greatest amount of mass casualties at a school involved zero guns. A mad man will manage to cause carnage, gun or no gun.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You know the parents of students at this school are going to be hopping mad. Not only did Denver remove all SROs from schools, but this student had been expelled from another school and placed at this school.
It is hard to listen to officials scream about more gun control when incidents like this happen.

Now, the teenager’s past brushes with the law have come to light, revealing that he was still on probation for possession of a ghost gun at the time of Wednesday’s shooting.

Law enforcement sources told CBS Colorado that the 17-year-old had been arrested back in 2021 for possession of a ghost gun and a high capacity magazine.

His arrest came when he was a student at Overland High School and some fellow students reported photos on social media showing Lyle with a gun, the sources said.

A search of the teenager’s home then uncovered the ghost gun and magazine. He was later expelled from the school and began attending East High School.

As part of a school safety plan based on his prior behaviour, Lyle was required to be patted down for weapons each day on arrival at East High, Denver Police Chief Thomas said on Wednesday.

It was during this search that he opened fire.

https://news.yahoo.com/denver-student-probation-shot-two-130850174.html?soc_src=social-sh&soc_trk=tw&tsrc=twtr

SROs were so brave at Uvalde and Majory Stoneman.

Here is an SRO who was hailed as a hero in IL: https://www.police1.com/officer-shootings/articles/sro-takes-down-high-school-shooter-saves-lives-rGEcUGpZVZdm65fD/
And here is a resource with case studies about how SROs have saved lives: https://cops.usdoj.gov/RIC/Publications/cops-w0903-pub.pdf
Here is another about an SRO who saved a student from a suicide attempt: https://www.nasro.org/news/2022/04/21/news-releases/sro-success-story-school-resource-officer-saves-student-from-suicide-attempt/
And, an SRO saved a student after a heart attack: https://www.kptv.com/2022/06/15/wilsonville-staff-sro-save-students-life-after-sudden-cardiac-arrest/

There are many more like these.

There are many, many more cases where they override school personnel wrt discipline. There are many cases of sros and police abusing students with disabilities. Studies have shown they make young students less safe.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You know the parents of students at this school are going to be hopping mad. Not only did Denver remove all SROs from schools, but this student had been expelled from another school and placed at this school.
It is hard to listen to officials scream about more gun control when incidents like this happen.

Now, the teenager’s past brushes with the law have come to light, revealing that he was still on probation for possession of a ghost gun at the time of Wednesday’s shooting.

Law enforcement sources told CBS Colorado that the 17-year-old had been arrested back in 2021 for possession of a ghost gun and a high capacity magazine.

His arrest came when he was a student at Overland High School and some fellow students reported photos on social media showing Lyle with a gun, the sources said.

A search of the teenager’s home then uncovered the ghost gun and magazine. He was later expelled from the school and began attending East High School.

As part of a school safety plan based on his prior behaviour, Lyle was required to be patted down for weapons each day on arrival at East High, Denver Police Chief Thomas said on Wednesday.

It was during this search that he opened fire.

https://news.yahoo.com/denver-student-probation-shot-two-130850174.html?soc_src=social-sh&soc_trk=tw&tsrc=twtr

SROs were so brave at Uvalde and Majory Stoneman.

Here is an SRO who was hailed as a hero in IL: https://www.police1.com/officer-shootings/articles/sro-takes-down-high-school-shooter-saves-lives-rGEcUGpZVZdm65fD/
And here is a resource with case studies about how SROs have saved lives: https://cops.usdoj.gov/RIC/Publications/cops-w0903-pub.pdf
Here is another about an SRO who saved a student from a suicide attempt: https://www.nasro.org/news/2022/04/21/news-releases/sro-success-story-school-resource-officer-saves-student-from-suicide-attempt/
And, an SRO saved a student after a heart attack: https://www.kptv.com/2022/06/15/wilsonville-staff-sro-save-students-life-after-sudden-cardiac-arrest/

There are many more like these.

There are many, many more cases where they override school personnel wrt discipline. There are many cases of sros and police abusing students with disabilities. Studies have shown they make young students less safe.

Citations for your claims. Credible citations. And, you said, "many" so a single incident or even a couple won't suffice.