Girls swimming. How good is ranked top 100 for your graduating class?

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think there is a single answer. States vary dramatically in terms of swimming talent depth. Swimcloud has info about how particular times stack up with D1 and D3 teams.

I see. Is there a certain single event that can sort of distill a swimmer's overall talent? I can share that PB time if it helps.

College recruiting is largely stroke based, so there is no one event that can give you an idea of overall talent for recruiting purposes. By the time recruiting starts swimmers have narrowed in on their best strokes and events and are focusing there. No one cares if an elite breaststroker isn’t good at fly, and vice versa.

I think this is one of the go-to strokes. Is this good?

Women 100 Yard Freestyle: 56.xx

You think? Is this not about your child?

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Anonymous wrote:I think there are definitely D3 programs that would take a 56 second 100 freestyler, but they may have small, not very competitive programs. We have a few with slower times make it from our HS. Look at the results from some school your child might be interested in. I'm even surprised at some of the times on lower D1 programs.

But It is a lot of work, and grind, early mornings, to be the slowest swimmer on the team without much glory. For some kids OK, some not.

I have a swimmer that would only be able to swim at a low low d3 but she doesn't want to give up choosing her school to continue swimming. Some of her friends don't want to stop swimming, and will go where they can find a home. Both are ok.

The majority of programs are not competitive for years.

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Anonymous wrote:Didn't you save for college? I don't get expecting a scholarship.

you know not everyone is rich right? I’m not OP but my kid swims, not very well to be honest, probably not even college worthy, but doesn’t hurt for those of us who aren’t wealthy to think about it.

Exactly, that's why we've been saving since birth, got a shack, small house in a DCUM crummy neighborhood and rarely take vacations... so we can save for college (and pay for swim and other activities).

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think there is a single answer. States vary dramatically in terms of swimming talent depth. Swimcloud has info about how particular times stack up with D1 and D3 teams.

I see. Is there a certain single event that can sort of distill a swimmer's overall talent? I can share that PB time if it helps.

College recruiting is largely stroke based, so there is no one event that can give you an idea of overall talent for recruiting purposes. By the time recruiting starts swimmers have narrowed in on their best strokes and events and are focusing there. No one cares if an elite breaststroker isn’t good at fly, and vice versa.

I think this is one of the go-to strokes. Is this good?

Women 100 Yard Freestyle: 56.xx

I put on a division 3 school into Swim Cloud and looked at their women’s 100 free times. Depending on how many milliseconds into 56 seconds she is, she’d be between 14-16th fastest freestylers on the team. The top 6 are 53.xx and below.

Only the top 5 of this particular school were recruited to swim 100 Free (not 100% but it's likely, kids times do change as do their focus events). If your swimmer is in the top 5 of a particular school's times in MORE than one event (preferably 3 from a coach's perspective as that the limit on individual swims for conference champs), then it's likely a match swimming wise. If they are super dominant (common with breast) and top 1-3 for the team and that team needs their points for conference then the coach may be interested even if the other events wouldn't put the particular swimmer that high. Some teams (regardless of division) do take walk-ons but not all or even most.

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Anonymous wrote:For example, swim cloud recruiting ranking page says 95th for high school class of 202x in the entire state/commonwealth. Is that good enough to... swim in college? Get a division 1 scholarship? I haven't the faintest idea.

Power index is a better measure than state ranking. The best Power Index is 1.0. Power index in the low-mid teens is a good starting place to get some money for D1 swimming. How much money varies greatly depending on type of team/school. Almost no one is getting full ride, Power Index close to 1 probably.

Swim cloud power index is in the high 50s.

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High 50s would not swim in D1 or a competitive D2/3, unless they were amazing in one event and crap at everything else. And when I say amazing, I mean literally top 50 in the nation to make up for having zero flexibility for a college team. If the high 50 is because all their best three events were 45-55 in the index, it would be tough to find a college team.

Can you explain roughly what the power index needs to be for a chance at d1 and competitive d2/d3?

There’s no hard and fast number, and there are always exceptions- but generally under 20.

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For a point of reference. My D3 swimmer- class of 2021 was ranks in the 30s for the state of Maryland and had a power index of about 25.

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Anonymous wrote:For example, swim cloud recruiting ranking page says 95th for high school class of 202x in the entire state/commonwealth. Is that good enough to... swim in college? Get a division 1 scholarship? I haven't the faintest idea.

Power index is a better measure than state ranking. The best Power Index is 1.0. Power index in the low-mid teens is a good starting place to get some money for D1 swimming. How much money varies greatly depending on type of team/school. Almost no one is getting full ride, Power Index close to 1 probably.

Swim cloud power index is in the high 50s.

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High 50s would not swim in D1 or a competitive D2/3, unless they were amazing in one event and crap at everything else. And when I say amazing, I mean literally top 50 in the nation to make up for having zero flexibility for a college team. If the high 50 is because all their best three events were 45-55 in the index, it would be tough to find a college team.

Can you explain roughly what the power index needs to be for a chance at d1 and competitive d2/d3?

From what I’ve seen, 30ish for competitive D2/3. 10ish For D1. My kid is 50ish and no where near being able to swim in college except at a non competitive program.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think there is a single answer. States vary dramatically in terms of swimming talent depth. Swimcloud has info about how particular times stack up with D1 and D3 teams.

I see. Is there a certain single event that can sort of distill a swimmer's overall talent? I can share that PB time if it helps.

College recruiting is largely stroke based, so there is no one event that can give you an idea of overall talent for recruiting purposes. By the time recruiting starts swimmers have narrowed in on their best strokes and events and are focusing there. No one cares if an elite breaststroker isn’t good at fly, and vice versa.

I think this is one of the go-to strokes. Is this good?

Women 100 Yard Freestyle: 56.xx

I’m really sorry to ask this but is this for real? My 8th grader is swimming a 53 low so a 56 is not great unless your kid is younger

53 for SCY 100 free at 13 is really good (top 3 maybe on JO) - even last senior champ, it will be on final B. Let's hope your kid is getting faster.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think there is a single answer. States vary dramatically in terms of swimming talent depth. Swimcloud has info about how particular times stack up with D1 and D3 teams.

I see. Is there a certain single event that can sort of distill a swimmer's overall talent? I can share that PB time if it helps.

College recruiting is largely stroke based, so there is no one event that can give you an idea of overall talent for recruiting purposes. By the time recruiting starts swimmers have narrowed in on their best strokes and events and are focusing there. No one cares if an elite breaststroker isn’t good at fly, and vice versa.

I think this is one of the go-to strokes. Is this good?

Women 100 Yard Freestyle: 56.xx

Not sure we need to come out and slander a 56.Xx girl. At 95% of high schools this girl will be a key scorer and swim the 400 freestyle relay. I would say this can swim at most D3 schools. The highest end D3 schools like a Dennison probably not, but there are thousands of D3 schools and all but like 25 of them take anyone they can get who is decent. Nothing wrong with being an above average hs age swimmer even if this time is not that of a superstar.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think there is a single answer. States vary dramatically in terms of swimming talent depth. Swimcloud has info about how particular times stack up with D1 and D3 teams.

I see. Is there a certain single event that can sort of distill a swimmer's overall talent? I can share that PB time if it helps.

College recruiting is largely stroke based, so there is no one event that can give you an idea of overall talent for recruiting purposes. By the time recruiting starts swimmers have narrowed in on their best strokes and events and are focusing there. No one cares if an elite breaststroker isn’t good at fly, and vice versa.

I think this is one of the go-to strokes. Is this good?

Women 100 Yard Freestyle: 56.xx

Not sure we need to come out and slander a 56.Xx girl. At 95% of high schools this girl will be a key scorer and swim the 400 freestyle relay. I would say this can swim at most D3 schools. The highest end D3 schools like a Dennison probably not, but there are thousands of D3 schools and all but like 25 of them take anyone they can get who is decent. Nothing wrong with being an above average hs age swimmer even if this time is not that of a superstar.

OP - how old is your daughter? If she's 13-15 she still has plenty of time to bring her times and power index down before she begins recruiting.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't think there is a single answer. States vary dramatically in terms of swimming talent depth. Swimcloud has info about how particular times stack up with D1 and D3 teams.

I see. Is there a certain single event that can sort of distill a swimmer's overall talent? I can share that PB time if it helps.

College recruiting is largely stroke based, so there is no one event that can give you an idea of overall talent for recruiting purposes. By the time recruiting starts swimmers have narrowed in on their best strokes and events and are focusing there. No one cares if an elite breaststroker isn’t good at fly, and vice versa.

I think this is one of the go-to strokes. Is this good?

Women 100 Yard Freestyle: 56.xx

Not sure we need to come out and slander a 56.Xx girl. At 95% of high schools this girl will be a key scorer and swim the 400 freestyle relay. I would say this can swim at most D3 schools. The highest end D3 schools like a Dennison probably not, but there are thousands of D3 schools and all but like 25 of them take anyone they can get who is decent. Nothing wrong with being an above average hs age swimmer even if this time is not that of a superstar.

College swimming is a lot more competitive vs that. You have to be in the top 2-3% of all swimmers for D1 and top 7% for D3. Most schools do not have swim teams.
Total number of colleges
D1 363
D2 303
D3 483

School w/swim—— # of Teams———# of athletes m/f——-Team size m/f——Scholarships m/f
NCAA I ——202——-137/200———-4,032/6,196—————-29/31—————-9.9/14
NCAA II——100——-75/99—————1,687/2,141———-—-23/22——————8.1/8.1
NCAA III—-272——-240/268————4,553/5,453—————19/20
https://scholarshipstats.com/swimming

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't think there is a single answer. States vary dramatically in terms of swimming talent depth. Swimcloud has info about how particular times stack up with D1 and D3 teams.

I see. Is there a certain single event that can sort of distill a swimmer's overall talent? I can share that PB time if it helps.

College recruiting is largely stroke based, so there is no one event that can give you an idea of overall talent for recruiting purposes. By the time recruiting starts swimmers have narrowed in on their best strokes and events and are focusing there. No one cares if an elite breaststroker isn’t good at fly, and vice versa.

I think this is one of the go-to strokes. Is this good?

Women 100 Yard Freestyle: 56.xx

Not sure we need to come out and slander a 56.Xx girl. At 95% of high schools this girl will be a key scorer and swim the 400 freestyle relay. I would say this can swim at most D3 schools. The highest end D3 schools like a Dennison probably not, but there are thousands of D3 schools and all but like 25 of them take anyone they can get who is decent. Nothing wrong with being an above average hs age swimmer even if this time is not that of a superstar.

College swimming is a lot more competitive vs that. You have to be in the top 2-3% of all swimmers for D1 and top 7% for D3. Most schools do not have swim teams.
Total number of colleges
D1 363
D2 303
D3 483

School w/swim—— # of Teams———# of athletes m/f——-Team size m/f——Scholarships m/f
NCAA I ——202——-137/200———-4,032/6,196—————-29/31—————-9.9/14
NCAA II——100——-75/99—————1,687/2,141———-—-23/22——————8.1/8.1
NCAA III—-272——-240/268————4,553/5,453—————19/20
https://scholarshipstats.com/swimming

Plenty of Division 3 girls can’t break 1:00 in 100 freestyle. There are elite D3 schools where it might take 53 to be on the team but others that aren’t competitive in the slightest.

Too be a high end college swimmer, regardless of level/classification is very hard but walking on to lower end D1 teams or being on an average D3 is attainable for most full time HS swimmers. Not uncommon to see part time swimmers put up marks that would allow them to swim at the D1 level.