AP Test Passage By High School

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:AP Physics 1 is tough, my DC got a 5 in Calc AB and a 2 in Physics 1.

All DCPS high schools require one AP class to graduate.

I am about 99.7 percent sure this is incorrect. If I am, please point us to the policy.

It is true that every DCPS high school is required to offer AP courses: "all DCPS schools are required to offer at least one AP course in each of the four core subject areas" (https://dcps.dc.gov/release/dcps-students-take-and-pass-more-advanced-placement-courses-and-exams)

Here are the DCPS graduation requirements:

https://dcps.dc.gov/graduation

You need at least 2 of your 24 credits in a CLCP course. CLCP courses include AP courses as well as career and technical courses. So, you don't have to take an AP course to graduate and can take, say, auto repair instead.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is really fascinating data. I think it might give you insight on schools that are perhaps up and coming - an early indicator.

So there's the obvious, plenty of good scores, from Wilson, Walls, Banneker. And even a decent amount from Oyster-Adams, which is surprising (doesn't that only go through 8th grade? They've got 8th graders taking AP tests??)

Then you got the zero or close to it contingent - Anacostia, Ballou, Dunbar, Eastern, Phelps, Ron Brown, Woodson. The bottom line is, if your kid has the skills to get decent scores on a couple AP tests, they are NOT going to fit in there - they will have NO kids at their level. For most parents, that is not an option.

But this gives a window into other options. Ellington, CHEC, McKinley - they may not be at the numbers that Wilson, Walls, and Banneker have, but they're over 50. That means there's a solid cohort of kids there taking and doing well at AP exams. This would make me feel much better about sending my kid, who will be taking and probably doing well at AP tests, to one of these schools - they'll have real AP classes with other students who are at AP level, and probably in a variety of subjects.

Cardozo, Coolidge, Roosevelt - these numbers are small (in the teens) but that's really different than 0-2. You're approaching a number where you could have some real AP classes. These numbers would make me bet on, for example, Roosevelt over Dunbar, which I don't know if I would have said before seeing this. Especially when you're talking DC, and things change fast - early indicators are valuable.

Does this data exist for charters?

You can find it here: https://www.usnews.com/education/best-high-schools/district-of-columbia/rankings

Here is a short comparative list of students getting 3, 4, or 5:

BASIS 90% (highest public in DC)
Walls 89%
J-R 63%
Banneker 48%
McKinley 42%

Latin didn't report its numbers to USNW&R but someone posted that it was 76%.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:AP Physics 1 is tough, my DC got a 5 in Calc AB and a 2 in Physics 1.

All DCPS high schools require one AP class to graduate.

I am about 99.7 percent sure this is incorrect. If I am, please point us to the policy.

It is true that every DCPS high school is required to offer AP courses: "all DCPS schools are required to offer at least one AP course in each of the four core subject areas" (https://dcps.dc.gov/release/dcps-students-take-and-pass-more-advanced-placement-courses-and-exams)

Here are the DCPS graduation requirements:

https://dcps.dc.gov/graduation

You need at least 2 of your 24 credits in a CLCP course. CLCP courses include AP courses as well as career and technical courses. So, you don't have to take an AP course to graduate and can take, say, auto repair instead.

I am the PP that made the assertion it was required and I was told that by my student’s teacher. My student is at Ellington FWIW.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is really fascinating data. I think it might give you insight on schools that are perhaps up and coming - an early indicator.

So there's the obvious, plenty of good scores, from Wilson, Walls, Banneker. And even a decent amount from Oyster-Adams, which is surprising (doesn't that only go through 8th grade? They've got 8th graders taking AP tests??)

Then you got the zero or close to it contingent - Anacostia, Ballou, Dunbar, Eastern, Phelps, Ron Brown, Woodson. The bottom line is, if your kid has the skills to get decent scores on a couple AP tests, they are NOT going to fit in there - they will have NO kids at their level. For most parents, that is not an option.

But this gives a window into other options. Ellington, CHEC, McKinley - they may not be at the numbers that Wilson, Walls, and Banneker have, but they're over 50. That means there's a solid cohort of kids there taking and doing well at AP exams. This would make me feel much better about sending my kid, who will be taking and probably doing well at AP tests, to one of these schools - they'll have real AP classes with other students who are at AP level, and probably in a variety of subjects.

Cardozo, Coolidge, Roosevelt - these numbers are small (in the teens) but that's really different than 0-2. You're approaching a number where you could have some real AP classes. These numbers would make me bet on, for example, Roosevelt over Dunbar, which I don't know if I would have said before seeing this. Especially when you're talking DC, and things change fast - early indicators are valuable.

Does this data exist for charters?

You can find it here: https://www.usnews.com/education/best-high-schools/district-of-columbia/rankings

Here is a short comparative list of students getting 3, 4, or 5:

BASIS 90% (highest public in DC)
Walls 89%
J-R 63%
Banneker 48%
McKinley 42%

Latin didn't report its numbers to USNW&R but someone posted that it was 76%.

Wow, more than 1/2 of Banneker’s students are getting 2 and below. That is a very poor showing for a selective high school. Not much better than McKinley.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is really fascinating data. I think it might give you insight on schools that are perhaps up and coming - an early indicator.

So there's the obvious, plenty of good scores, from Wilson, Walls, Banneker. And even a decent amount from Oyster-Adams, which is surprising (doesn't that only go through 8th grade? They've got 8th graders taking AP tests??)

Then you got the zero or close to it contingent - Anacostia, Ballou, Dunbar, Eastern, Phelps, Ron Brown, Woodson. The bottom line is, if your kid has the skills to get decent scores on a couple AP tests, they are NOT going to fit in there - they will have NO kids at their level. For most parents, that is not an option.

But this gives a window into other options. Ellington, CHEC, McKinley - they may not be at the numbers that Wilson, Walls, and Banneker have, but they're over 50. That means there's a solid cohort of kids there taking and doing well at AP exams. This would make me feel much better about sending my kid, who will be taking and probably doing well at AP tests, to one of these schools - they'll have real AP classes with other students who are at AP level, and probably in a variety of subjects.

Cardozo, Coolidge, Roosevelt - these numbers are small (in the teens) but that's really different than 0-2. You're approaching a number where you could have some real AP classes. These numbers would make me bet on, for example, Roosevelt over Dunbar, which I don't know if I would have said before seeing this. Especially when you're talking DC, and things change fast - early indicators are valuable.

Does this data exist for charters?

You can find it here: https://www.usnews.com/education/best-high-schools/district-of-columbia/rankings

Here is a short comparative list of students getting 3, 4, or 5:

BASIS 90% (highest public in DC)
Walls 89%
J-R 63%
Banneker 48%
McKinley 42%

Latin didn't report its numbers to USNW&R but someone posted that it was 76%.

Wow, more than 1/2 of Banneker’s students are getting 2 and below. That is a very poor showing for a selective high school. Not much better than McKinley.

Not what that means, Many of their students do IB instead. It's not a pass rate, it's a percentage of students with a 3 or above.

[Anonymous]

The 2021-22 AP/IB performance numbers are in the OSSE school report cards for the individual schools. https://osse.dc.gov/dcschoolreportcard. They include charters. And they’re broken down by race. The schools with a 90% pass rate or better for white students are Basis, Walls, DCI, Banneker, and Latin.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is really fascinating data. I think it might give you insight on schools that are perhaps up and coming - an early indicator.

So there's the obvious, plenty of good scores, from Wilson, Walls, Banneker. And even a decent amount from Oyster-Adams, which is surprising (doesn't that only go through 8th grade? They've got 8th graders taking AP tests??)

Then you got the zero or close to it contingent - Anacostia, Ballou, Dunbar, Eastern, Phelps, Ron Brown, Woodson. The bottom line is, if your kid has the skills to get decent scores on a couple AP tests, they are NOT going to fit in there - they will have NO kids at their level. For most parents, that is not an option.

But this gives a window into other options. Ellington, CHEC, McKinley - they may not be at the numbers that Wilson, Walls, and Banneker have, but they're over 50. That means there's a solid cohort of kids there taking and doing well at AP exams. This would make me feel much better about sending my kid, who will be taking and probably doing well at AP tests, to one of these schools - they'll have real AP classes with other students who are at AP level, and probably in a variety of subjects.

Cardozo, Coolidge, Roosevelt - these numbers are small (in the teens) but that's really different than 0-2. You're approaching a number where you could have some real AP classes. These numbers would make me bet on, for example, Roosevelt over Dunbar, which I don't know if I would have said before seeing this. Especially when you're talking DC, and things change fast - early indicators are valuable.

Does this data exist for charters?

You can find it here: https://www.usnews.com/education/best-high-schools/district-of-columbia/rankings

Here is a short comparative list of students getting 3, 4, or 5:

BASIS 90% (highest public in DC)
Walls 89%
J-R 63%
Banneker 48%
McKinley 42%

Latin didn't report its numbers to USNW&R but someone posted that it was 76%.

Wow, more than 1/2 of Banneker’s students are getting 2 and below. That is a very poor showing for a selective high school. Not much better than McKinley.

Not what that means, Many of their students do IB instead. It's not a pass rate, it's a percentage of students with a 3 or above.

Wait, I don't think this is right. The numbers are what DCPS reports as the percentage of students who took an AP test and got at least a 3 -- except that DCPS says McKinley's number is 19%.

[Anonymous]

Curious whether JR’s rate goes up this year since they’re back to full-year classes rather than 4x4. Seems like 4x4 was terrible for AP classes for many reasons (e.g., big gap between end of first semester and test in May, not able to cover all material before May in second semester classes).

Speaking of which…aren’t most of the other comprehensive HSs in DC on 4x4? If so, they are really putting kids in those schools at a disadvantage in terms of AP test success.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Curious whether JR’s rate goes up this year since they’re back to full-year classes rather than 4x4. Seems like 4x4 was terrible for AP classes for many reasons (e.g., big gap between end of first semester and test in May, not able to cover all material before May in second semester classes).

Speaking of which…aren’t most of the other comprehensive HSs in DC on 4x4? If so, they are really putting kids in those schools at a disadvantage in terms of AP test success.

I’m curious too. I think some schools on a 4x4 teach APs as two-credit yearlong courses. I think Coolidge early college does it that way, for example, and maybe EL Haynes. I doubt that would be popular at JR but it seems like a good choice for some schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is really fascinating data. I think it might give you insight on schools that are perhaps up and coming - an early indicator.

So there's the obvious, plenty of good scores, from Wilson, Walls, Banneker. And even a decent amount from Oyster-Adams, which is surprising (doesn't that only go through 8th grade? They've got 8th graders taking AP tests??)

Then you got the zero or close to it contingent - Anacostia, Ballou, Dunbar, Eastern, Phelps, Ron Brown, Woodson. The bottom line is, if your kid has the skills to get decent scores on a couple AP tests, they are NOT going to fit in there - they will have NO kids at their level. For most parents, that is not an option.

But this gives a window into other options. Ellington, CHEC, McKinley - they may not be at the numbers that Wilson, Walls, and Banneker have, but they're over 50. That means there's a solid cohort of kids there taking and doing well at AP exams. This would make me feel much better about sending my kid, who will be taking and probably doing well at AP tests, to one of these schools - they'll have real AP classes with other students who are at AP level, and probably in a variety of subjects.

Cardozo, Coolidge, Roosevelt - these numbers are small (in the teens) but that's really different than 0-2. You're approaching a number where you could have some real AP classes. These numbers would make me bet on, for example, Roosevelt over Dunbar, which I don't know if I would have said before seeing this. Especially when you're talking DC, and things change fast - early indicators are valuable.

Does this data exist for charters?

You can find it here: https://www.usnews.com/education/best-high-schools/district-of-columbia/rankings

Here is a short comparative list of students getting 3, 4, or 5:

BASIS 90% (highest public in DC)
Walls 89%
J-R 63%
Banneker 48%
McKinley 42%

Latin didn't report its numbers to USNW&R but someone posted that it was 76%.

Wow, more than 1/2 of Banneker’s students are getting 2 and below. That is a very poor showing for a selective high school. Not much better than McKinley.

Not what that means, Many of their students do IB instead. It's not a pass rate, it's a percentage of students with a 3 or above.

Get real. Majority of their students Do Not do IB. It’s like 25 or so kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The 2021-22 AP/IB performance numbers are in the OSSE school report cards for the individual schools. https://osse.dc.gov/dcschoolreportcard. They include charters. And they’re broken down by race. The schools with a 90% pass rate or better for white students are Basis, Walls, DCI, Banneker, and Latin.

Who cares what race the kids are? It’s not like only the white kids are in the AP class.

You should look at overall pass rate and if it’s not high then it’s obvious that the classes are not as rigorous. In this scenario, the kids who do well are ones supplementing outside of class

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is really fascinating data. I think it might give you insight on schools that are perhaps up and coming - an early indicator.

So there's the obvious, plenty of good scores, from Wilson, Walls, Banneker. And even a decent amount from Oyster-Adams, which is surprising (doesn't that only go through 8th grade? They've got 8th graders taking AP tests??)

Then you got the zero or close to it contingent - Anacostia, Ballou, Dunbar, Eastern, Phelps, Ron Brown, Woodson. The bottom line is, if your kid has the skills to get decent scores on a couple AP tests, they are NOT going to fit in there - they will have NO kids at their level. For most parents, that is not an option.

But this gives a window into other options. Ellington, CHEC, McKinley - they may not be at the numbers that Wilson, Walls, and Banneker have, but they're over 50. That means there's a solid cohort of kids there taking and doing well at AP exams. This would make me feel much better about sending my kid, who will be taking and probably doing well at AP tests, to one of these schools - they'll have real AP classes with other students who are at AP level, and probably in a variety of subjects.

Cardozo, Coolidge, Roosevelt - these numbers are small (in the teens) but that's really different than 0-2. You're approaching a number where you could have some real AP classes. These numbers would make me bet on, for example, Roosevelt over Dunbar, which I don't know if I would have said before seeing this. Especially when you're talking DC, and things change fast - early indicators are valuable.

Does this data exist for charters?

You can find it here: https://www.usnews.com/education/best-high-schools/district-of-columbia/rankings

Here is a short comparative list of students getting 3, 4, or 5:

BASIS 90% (highest public in DC)
Walls 89%
J-R 63%
Banneker 48%
McKinley 42%

Latin didn't report its numbers to USNW&R but someone posted that it was 76%.

Wow, more than 1/2 of Banneker’s students are getting 2 and below. That is a very poor showing for a selective high school. Not much better than McKinley.

Not what that means, Many of their students do IB instead. It's not a pass rate, it's a percentage of students with a 3 or above.

I think you have a reading comprehension issue. Did not say pass rate, said getting 2 or below which is accurately over 1/2 the kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is really fascinating data. I think it might give you insight on schools that are perhaps up and coming - an early indicator.

So there's the obvious, plenty of good scores, from Wilson, Walls, Banneker. And even a decent amount from Oyster-Adams, which is surprising (doesn't that only go through 8th grade? They've got 8th graders taking AP tests??)

Then you got the zero or close to it contingent - Anacostia, Ballou, Dunbar, Eastern, Phelps, Ron Brown, Woodson. The bottom line is, if your kid has the skills to get decent scores on a couple AP tests, they are NOT going to fit in there - they will have NO kids at their level. For most parents, that is not an option.

But this gives a window into other options. Ellington, CHEC, McKinley - they may not be at the numbers that Wilson, Walls, and Banneker have, but they're over 50. That means there's a solid cohort of kids there taking and doing well at AP exams. This would make me feel much better about sending my kid, who will be taking and probably doing well at AP tests, to one of these schools - they'll have real AP classes with other students who are at AP level, and probably in a variety of subjects.

Cardozo, Coolidge, Roosevelt - these numbers are small (in the teens) but that's really different than 0-2. You're approaching a number where you could have some real AP classes. These numbers would make me bet on, for example, Roosevelt over Dunbar, which I don't know if I would have said before seeing this. Especially when you're talking DC, and things change fast - early indicators are valuable.

Does this data exist for charters?

You can find it here: https://www.usnews.com/education/best-high-schools/district-of-columbia/rankings

Here is a short comparative list of students getting 3, 4, or 5:

BASIS 90% (highest public in DC)
Walls 89%
J-R 63%
Banneker 48%
McKinley 42%

Latin didn't report its numbers to USNW&R but someone posted that it was 76%.

Wow, more than 1/2 of Banneker’s students are getting 2 and below. That is a very poor showing for a selective high school. Not much better than McKinley.

Not what that means, Many of their students do IB instead. It's not a pass rate, it's a percentage of students with a 3 or above.

Wait, I don't think this is right. The numbers are what DCPS reports as the percentage of students who took an AP test and got at least a 3 -- except that DCPS says McKinley's number is 19%.

I think the years shown for McKinley might be different.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The 2021-22 AP/IB performance numbers are in the OSSE school report cards for the individual schools. https://osse.dc.gov/dcschoolreportcard. They include charters. And they’re broken down by race. The schools with a 90% pass rate or better for white students are Basis, Walls, DCI, Banneker, and Latin.

Not sure where you are getting that.

If you look at white students, Basis is at 94%, Walls 93%; Latin and DCI are just below 90%; and Banneker has too few white students to provide a percentage.

Plus, just looking at white students is misleading given how diverse the above schools are.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The 2021-22 AP/IB performance numbers are in the OSSE school report cards for the individual schools. https://osse.dc.gov/dcschoolreportcard. They include charters. And they’re broken down by race. The schools with a 90% pass rate or better for white students are Basis, Walls, DCI, Banneker, and Latin.

Not sure where you are getting that.

If you look at white students, Basis is at 94%, Walls 93%; Latin and DCI are just below 90%; and Banneker has too few white students to provide a percentage.

Plus, just looking at white students is misleading given how diverse the above schools are.

When I follow the link, I get a white AP/IB performance number at Banneker and DCI of >=90%. There are too few students to report an AP/IB participation rate at Banneker. At DCI the participation rate is reported as 89.47%. Are you sure you’re looking at the right number? (The performance number at Latin is technically just under 90% but it’s over 89.5 so I rounded up.)

And I agree, it’s not like only white students matter. But OSSE doesn’t give us data based on parents’ education or middle school, two factors beyond the control of any high school that are strongly associated with AP/IB performance. Since the white population of DC is not very socioeconomically diverse, it’s a decent proxy for students from college-educated homes who attended decent middle schools.