Is Jackson Reed really that bad?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Real estate has changed. Too easy to move over the line and not do J-R in the same neighborhood.

This post is uncommonly nonsensical. Kudos.

PP means you can move to MD and go to a school other than J-R without changing your home neighborhood, your commute, your grocery store, your friends, etc.

And what has "changed" exactly?

[Anonymous]

Everyone's experience is personal and anecdotal. So take theirs (and mine) with a grain of salt.

I have a 9th grader at JRHS. This year has been fine. Not great. Not horrible. Fine. Classes are not really challenging and lots of kids with a wide range of abilities (some super smart, some couldn't care less, some really behind). But lots of people saying that will change once they can take APs (plan is to take 3-4 next year), and have been some definite bright spots, including the academies (child only in one, of course, but several of the academies seems really good). Went without a teacher in one class for several months, but that has been fixed. Has been loving the huge range of activities and has been trying lots of them. A real year of exploring interests and learning about themselves.

I have to believe that with the pandemic lots of schools are struggling to catch kids up and if your kid is stronger academically, they will feel like their needs are not being met. I don't think JRHS is unique in that regard (and again all anecdotal, but friends with other 9th graders in public and private in DC area seem to confirm some of that). And I do appreciate that my child is really learning to advocate for themselves and see where gaps are in their learning and fill them. If your child is prone to get lost among the masses or need a lot of guidance, I could see how you might be hesitant to send your child to JRHS (or any large HS). But if they take advantage of what is offered and are or can learn to be a self-starter, then the school could, in principle, be a great place, especially given that life is not going to hand you things on a spoon.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP - I recommend you spend some time in Tenlytown both before and after school. Talk with the folks who work in the businesses around the school. Or just sit on the bench by the library and observe. It will give you a good feel for the school.

What exactly will you learn about the school from observing how kids behave as soon as they're done with school for the day?

NP here. You learn a lot, insomuch as the behavior of the kids that attend the school. Im in Tenleytown most days around that time, and have been threatened routinely inside of my car, outside of my car, I watch kids smoking weed out in the open, screaming at eachother, running in packs from various police officers posted to keep behavior in check, the stress of the managers at Target over shoplifting, the stress and eye-rolling of the local businesses, kids sneaking in the backdoor of Wawa to get around the timed entry. The general manners of the portion of the student body observed (terrible). The drive-by shooting that took place outside. Its precisely BECAUSE of the observation of students outside of the building that I would never send my kids there, and I'm in the feeder pattern. I don't what we are going to do because we can't afford private, but understanding my own expectations for my kids and their behavior, being surrounded by what I see every day around J-R makes this school a non option. Maybe we move in bounds for MacArthur. There is nothing to do or mess with retail wise so maybe kids will just...go home?

Oh come on PP. Do you really think the dozen or so kids that hang out after school to smoke weed and shoplift are representative of the entire student body of an enormous public high school? The shooting was not JR students, totally unfair to smear them with that

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP - I recommend you spend some time in Tenlytown both before and after school. Talk with the folks who work in the businesses around the school. Or just sit on the bench by the library and observe. It will give you a good feel for the school.

What exactly will you learn about the school from observing how kids behave as soon as they're done with school for the day?

NP here. You learn a lot, insomuch as the behavior of the kids that attend the school. Im in Tenleytown most days around that time, and have been threatened routinely inside of my car, outside of my car, I watch kids smoking weed out in the open, screaming at eachother, running in packs from various police officers posted to keep behavior in check, the stress of the managers at Target over shoplifting, the stress and eye-rolling of the local businesses, kids sneaking in the backdoor of Wawa to get around the timed entry. The general manners of the portion of the student body observed (terrible). The drive-by shooting that took place outside. Its precisely BECAUSE of the observation of students outside of the building that I would never send my kids there, and I'm in the feeder pattern. I don't what we are going to do because we can't afford private, but understanding my own expectations for my kids and their behavior, being surrounded by what I see every day around J-R makes this school a non option. Maybe we move in bounds for MacArthur. There is nothing to do or mess with retail wise so maybe kids will just...go home?

You observing high schoolers having bad manners is the funniest part of this chicken little paragraph: uh no crap. Watch any movie about schools from 1950 on and you'll see conflict between adults and high school kids. I mean Grease is a classic for goodness sakes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP - I recommend you spend some time in Tenlytown both before and after school. Talk with the folks who work in the businesses around the school. Or just sit on the bench by the library and observe. It will give you a good feel for the school.

What exactly will you learn about the school from observing how kids behave as soon as they're done with school for the day?

NP here. You learn a lot, insomuch as the behavior of the kids that attend the school. Im in Tenleytown most days around that time, and have been threatened routinely inside of my car, outside of my car, I watch kids smoking weed out in the open, screaming at eachother, running in packs from various police officers posted to keep behavior in check, the stress of the managers at Target over shoplifting, the stress and eye-rolling of the local businesses, kids sneaking in the backdoor of Wawa to get around the timed entry. The general manners of the portion of the student body observed (terrible). The drive-by shooting that took place outside. Its precisely BECAUSE of the observation of students outside of the building that I would never send my kids there, and I'm in the feeder pattern. I don't what we are going to do because we can't afford private, but understanding my own expectations for my kids and their behavior, being surrounded by what I see every day around J-R makes this school a non option. Maybe we move in bounds for MacArthur. There is nothing to do or mess with retail wise so maybe kids will just...go home?

OP, I would encourage you to keep one fact in mind when reading this: this poster does not have children at JR or even seem to know anyone with children at JR. They are assuming all of the kids they are observing are JR kids, and they are extrapolating behavior from a group of kids who may or may not be JR students to a student body of 2200. (And this assumes you take the poster’s assertions about the observed behavior at face value. I mean, “threatened routinely”? Come on.)

Meanwhile, throwing in the shooting is a real dog whistle. The shooting had nothing to do with the school except for proximity. I suspect the poster knows this, since it was widely reported, but they really want you to think JR students were involved.

The only good thing about this post is the poster’s promise not to send their kids to JR. Thank goodness for that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Everyone's experience is personal and anecdotal. So take theirs (and mine) with a grain of salt.

I have a 9th grader at JRHS. This year has been fine. Not great. Not horrible. Fine. Classes are not really challenging and lots of kids with a wide range of abilities (some super smart, some couldn't care less, some really behind). But lots of people saying that will change once they can take APs (plan is to take 3-4 next year), and have been some definite bright spots, including the academies (child only in one, of course, but several of the academies seems really good). Went without a teacher in one class for several months, but that has been fixed. Has been loving the huge range of activities and has been trying lots of them. A real year of exploring interests and learning about themselves.

I have to believe that with the pandemic lots of schools are struggling to catch kids up and if your kid is stronger academically, they will feel like their needs are not being met. I don't think JRHS is unique in that regard (and again all anecdotal, but friends with other 9th graders in public and private in DC area seem to confirm some of that). And I do appreciate that my child is really learning to advocate for themselves and see where gaps are in their learning and fill them. If your child is prone to get lost among the masses or need a lot of guidance, I could see how you might be hesitant to send your child to JRHS (or any large HS). But if they take advantage of what is offered and are or can learn to be a self-starter, then the school could, in principle, be a great place, especially given that life is not going to hand you things on a spoon.

This a great, balanced post, fair and thoughtful assessment, thanks, PP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP - I recommend you spend some time in Tenlytown both before and after school. Talk with the folks who work in the businesses around the school. Or just sit on the bench by the library and observe. It will give you a good feel for the school.

What exactly will you learn about the school from observing how kids behave as soon as they're done with school for the day?

NP here. You learn a lot, insomuch as the behavior of the kids that attend the school. Im in Tenleytown most days around that time, and have been threatened routinely inside of my car, outside of my car, I watch kids smoking weed out in the open, screaming at eachother, running in packs from various police officers posted to keep behavior in check, the stress of the managers at Target over shoplifting, the stress and eye-rolling of the local businesses, kids sneaking in the backdoor of Wawa to get around the timed entry. The general manners of the portion of the student body observed (terrible). The drive-by shooting that took place outside. Its precisely BECAUSE of the observation of students outside of the building that I would never send my kids there, and I'm in the feeder pattern. I don't what we are going to do because we can't afford private, but understanding my own expectations for my kids and their behavior, being surrounded by what I see every day around J-R makes this school a non option. Maybe we move in bounds for MacArthur. There is nothing to do or mess with retail wise so maybe kids will just...go home?

I see all this, too, and none of it makes me think, "Well there's obviously no way any kids could possibly get a decent education at that school," because I also went to a large public high school where idiot teenagers behaved like idiot teenagers after/outside/even sometimes during school, and therefore I realize that one glimpse, even repeated daily, of one slice of the student body is not all that helpful for learning anything about what happens in the classrooms.

By the way, the drive-by shooting involved adults who didn't attend J-R or even live in D.C., so I don't really see why you're holding that against the student body at the high school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone's experience is personal and anecdotal. So take theirs (and mine) with a grain of salt.

I have a 9th grader at JRHS. This year has been fine. Not great. Not horrible. Fine. Classes are not really challenging and lots of kids with a wide range of abilities (some super smart, some couldn't care less, some really behind). But lots of people saying that will change once they can take APs (plan is to take 3-4 next year), and have been some definite bright spots, including the academies (child only in one, of course, but several of the academies seems really good). Went without a teacher in one class for several months, but that has been fixed. Has been loving the huge range of activities and has been trying lots of them. A real year of exploring interests and learning about themselves.

I have to believe that with the pandemic lots of schools are struggling to catch kids up and if your kid is stronger academically, they will feel like their needs are not being met. I don't think JRHS is unique in that regard (and again all anecdotal, but friends with other 9th graders in public and private in DC area seem to confirm some of that). And I do appreciate that my child is really learning to advocate for themselves and see where gaps are in their learning and fill them. If your child is prone to get lost among the masses or need a lot of guidance, I could see how you might be hesitant to send your child to JRHS (or any large HS). But if they take advantage of what is offered and are or can learn to be a self-starter, then the school could, in principle, be a great place, especially given that life is not going to hand you things on a spoon.

This a great, balanced post, fair and thoughtful assessment, thanks, PP.

I agree this is a fair and balanced post (I had one graduate from J-R when it was Wilson and I have one there now). I would note that it is unlikely that your child can take 3-4 AP classes as a sophomore (1-2 is much more likely...maybe 3 but that's pretty rare). Even so, the rigor increases a lot between 9th and 10th. A lot. Plus, there are some very good academic clubs if your child is so inclined (mock trial, the Beacon, debate, robotics)....these clubs are really, really excellent and are also a lot of work. The point being that a high-achieving student can get a lot out of J-R if they want to (and can completely avoid trouble). The overcrowding is the one thing that is unavoidable and the teacher vacancies are problematic too...but the new high school should hopefully help a bit with the overcrowding.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Everyone's experience is personal and anecdotal. So take theirs (and mine) with a grain of salt.

I have a 9th grader at JRHS. This year has been fine. Not great. Not horrible. Fine. Classes are not really challenging and lots of kids with a wide range of abilities (some super smart, some couldn't care less, some really behind). But lots of people saying that will change once they can take APs (plan is to take 3-4 next year), and have been some definite bright spots, including the academies (child only in one, of course, but several of the academies seems really good). Went without a teacher in one class for several months, but that has been fixed. Has been loving the huge range of activities and has been trying lots of them. A real year of exploring interests and learning about themselves.

I have to believe that with the pandemic lots of schools are struggling to catch kids up and if your kid is stronger academically, they will feel like their needs are not being met. I don't think JRHS is unique in that regard (and again all anecdotal, but friends with other 9th graders in public and private in DC area seem to confirm some of that). And I do appreciate that my child is really learning to advocate for themselves and see where gaps are in their learning and fill them. If your child is prone to get lost among the masses or need a lot of guidance, I could see how you might be hesitant to send your child to JRHS (or any large HS). But if they take advantage of what is offered and are or can learn to be a self-starter, then the school could, in principle, be a great place, especially given that life is not going to hand you things on a spoon.

This a great, balanced post, fair and thoughtful assessment, thanks, PP.

I agree this is a fair and balanced post (I had one graduate from J-R when it was Wilson and I have one there now). I would note that it is unlikely that your child can take 3-4 AP classes as a sophomore (1-2 is much more likely...maybe 3 but that's pretty rare). Even so, the rigor increases a lot between 9th and 10th. A lot. Plus, there are some very good academic clubs if your child is so inclined (mock trial, the Beacon, debate, robotics)....these clubs are really, really excellent and are also a lot of work. The point being that a high-achieving student can get a lot out of J-R if they want to (and can completely avoid trouble). The overcrowding is the one thing that is unavoidable and the teacher vacancies are problematic too...but the new high school should hopefully help a bit with the overcrowding.

I would nuance this a little with respect to APs...you can take that many as a Sophomore if you are at AP Calc in Math, and at AP level in a foreign language and then you take 2 elective APs. However, I would not recommend taking elective APs just for the heck of it. Colleges don't care that you took AP Psych (unless you plan to major in Psych) or AP Human Geography or any of the random elective APs if you did it simply for the GPA / class rank bump. If your student is really interested in them and/or plans to possibly major in them at college...go for it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Everyone's experience is personal and anecdotal. So take theirs (and mine) with a grain of salt.

I have a 9th grader at JRHS. This year has been fine. Not great. Not horrible. Fine. Classes are not really challenging and lots of kids with a wide range of abilities (some super smart, some couldn't care less, some really behind). But lots of people saying that will change once they can take APs (plan is to take 3-4 next year), and have been some definite bright spots, including the academies (child only in one, of course, but several of the academies seems really good). Went without a teacher in one class for several months, but that has been fixed. Has been loving the huge range of activities and has been trying lots of them. A real year of exploring interests and learning about themselves.

I have to believe that with the pandemic lots of schools are struggling to catch kids up and if your kid is stronger academically, they will feel like their needs are not being met. I don't think JRHS is unique in that regard (and again all anecdotal, but friends with other 9th graders in public and private in DC area seem to confirm some of that). And I do appreciate that my child is really learning to advocate for themselves and see where gaps are in their learning and fill them. If your child is prone to get lost among the masses or need a lot of guidance, I could see how you might be hesitant to send your child to JRHS (or any large HS). But if they take advantage of what is offered and are or can learn to be a self-starter, then the school could, in principle, be a great place, especially given that life is not going to hand you things on a spoon.

This a great, balanced post, fair and thoughtful assessment, thanks, PP.

I agree this is a fair and balanced post (I had one graduate from J-R when it was Wilson and I have one there now). I would note that it is unlikely that your child can take 3-4 AP classes as a sophomore (1-2 is much more likely...maybe 3 but that's pretty rare). Even so, the rigor increases a lot between 9th and 10th. A lot. Plus, there are some very good academic clubs if your child is so inclined (mock trial, the Beacon, debate, robotics)....these clubs are really, really excellent and are also a lot of work. The point being that a high-achieving student can get a lot out of J-R if they want to (and can completely avoid trouble). The overcrowding is the one thing that is unavoidable and the teacher vacancies are problematic too...but the new high school should hopefully help a bit with the overcrowding.

I would nuance this a little with respect to APs...you can take that many as a Sophomore if you are at AP Calc in Math, and at AP level in a foreign language and then you take 2 elective APs. However, I would not recommend taking elective APs just for the heck of it. Colleges don't care that you took AP Psych (unless you plan to major in Psych) or AP Human Geography or any of the random elective APs if you did it simply for the GPA / class rank bump. If your student is really interested in them and/or plans to possibly major in them at college...go for it.

I might disagree with this. Since JR still ranks students, the grade bump alone is important.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP - I recommend you spend some time in Tenlytown both before and after school. Talk with the folks who work in the businesses around the school. Or just sit on the bench by the library and observe. It will give you a good feel for the school.

What exactly will you learn about the school from observing how kids behave as soon as they're done with school for the day?

NP here. You learn a lot, insomuch as the behavior of the kids that attend the school. Im in Tenleytown most days around that time, and have been threatened routinely inside of my car, outside of my car, I watch kids smoking weed out in the open, screaming at eachother, running in packs from various police officers posted to keep behavior in check, the stress of the managers at Target over shoplifting, the stress and eye-rolling of the local businesses, kids sneaking in the backdoor of Wawa to get around the timed entry. The general manners of the portion of the student body observed (terrible). The drive-by shooting that took place outside. Its precisely BECAUSE of the observation of students outside of the building that I would never send my kids there, and I'm in the feeder pattern. I don't what we are going to do because we can't afford private, but understanding my own expectations for my kids and their behavior, being surrounded by what I see every day around J-R makes this school a non option. Maybe we move in bounds for MacArthur. There is nothing to do or mess with retail wise so maybe kids will just...go home?

This. My kids are going to JR but this is also true. Idk why the other commentator seems to think this is a veiled racist post. It’s just the reality that there are aggressive, angry, threatening high schoolers out in the area after school. There’s no comment on color, just behavior. I was in the Target after school one day and the workers there have to brace and basically set up in the aisles because the kids come running through and grab things. The Wawa has a limit of number of unaccompanied minors allowed in the store. If these are not the facts, please correct but do NOT allege racism when there is none.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP - I recommend you spend some time in Tenlytown both before and after school. Talk with the folks who work in the businesses around the school. Or just sit on the bench by the library and observe. It will give you a good feel for the school.

What exactly will you learn about the school from observing how kids behave as soon as they're done with school for the day?

NP here. You learn a lot, insomuch as the behavior of the kids that attend the school. Im in Tenleytown most days around that time, and have been threatened routinely inside of my car, outside of my car, I watch kids smoking weed out in the open, screaming at eachother, running in packs from various police officers posted to keep behavior in check, the stress of the managers at Target over shoplifting, the stress and eye-rolling of the local businesses, kids sneaking in the backdoor of Wawa to get around the timed entry. The general manners of the portion of the student body observed (terrible). The drive-by shooting that took place outside. Its precisely BECAUSE of the observation of students outside of the building that I would never send my kids there, and I'm in the feeder pattern. I don't what we are going to do because we can't afford private, but understanding my own expectations for my kids and their behavior, being surrounded by what I see every day around J-R makes this school a non option. Maybe we move in bounds for MacArthur. There is nothing to do or mess with retail wise so maybe kids will just...go home?

OP, I would encourage you to keep one fact in mind when reading this: this poster does not have children at JR or even seem to know anyone with children at JR. They are assuming all of the kids they are observing are JR kids, and they are extrapolating behavior from a group of kids who may or may not be JR students to a student body of 2200. (And this assumes you take the poster’s assertions about the observed behavior at face value. I mean, “threatened routinely”? Come on.)

Meanwhile, throwing in the shooting is a real dog whistle. The shooting had nothing to do with the school except for proximity. I suspect the poster knows this, since it was widely reported, but they really want you to think JR students were involved.

The only good thing about this post is the poster’s promise not to send their kids to JR. Thank goodness for that.

And I would also venture to guess that PPs children are in elementary school, and are really clueless about high schoolers in general. I'll bet they'll change their tune when their DC throws a rager their Junior year. Seriously though, this is not a representation AT ALL of the kids we know at JR. And who knows - Sidwell and GDS are nearby, might be them too!

[Anonymous]

I'm a long-term DCPS parent who bailed from Deal for private for 9th for kids 1 and 2 and am really torn about kid number 3.
My concerns about JR which I see echoed by many parents:

-missing teachers. My understanding is that last year there was no physics teacher(s) (AP or otherwise) for an entire semester. The kids just sat in a room(s). This year my daughter's friend is missing a teachers in AP environmental science and AP psychology. She just sits in a room and has for months. I know that some parents are really chill about this but it would really bother me for a high schooler. We had this happen several times at Deal and I was okay with it then but this is high school! You don't learn physics what happens when you get to college and are in class with kids who had excellent instruction?

-really weak writing, humanities and foreign language instruction. My kids left Deal and with great grades but could barely write a critical essay and knew next to no foreign language. They hit private school and had their a$$es kicked for a good year in these subjects (as they wrote a collective 50 pages of essays across all subjects in 9th grade). Meanwhile, their JR friends continued on their trajectory of doing next to no writing, learning no foreign language and getting high As. I just can't reconcile this in my brain. I know that one does not need to be able to critique and analyze literature at a high level in most jobs OR do advanced Spanish grammar but it still bothers me. I know many kids who graduate JR and (in the words of another DCUM) "can't write their way out of a paper bag." I have a hard time being ok with this.

[Anonymous]

JR is not horrible. It is ok.
My oldest went there but we avoided it for younger kids.
It has some bright spots for sure but the overall chaos is shocking.
Administration incompetence is off the charts. Because it is better than the other comprehensive high schools in DCPS, there is no incentive to improve it.
Where else are kids going to go anyway?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP - I recommend you spend some time in Tenlytown both before and after school. Talk with the folks who work in the businesses around the school. Or just sit on the bench by the library and observe. It will give you a good feel for the school.

What exactly will you learn about the school from observing how kids behave as soon as they're done with school for the day?

NP here. You learn a lot, insomuch as the behavior of the kids that attend the school. Im in Tenleytown most days around that time, and have been threatened routinely inside of my car, outside of my car, I watch kids smoking weed out in the open, screaming at eachother, running in packs from various police officers posted to keep behavior in check, the stress of the managers at Target over shoplifting, the stress and eye-rolling of the local businesses, kids sneaking in the backdoor of Wawa to get around the timed entry. The general manners of the portion of the student body observed (terrible). The drive-by shooting that took place outside. Its precisely BECAUSE of the observation of students outside of the building that I would never send my kids there, and I'm in the feeder pattern. I don't what we are going to do because we can't afford private, but understanding my own expectations for my kids and their behavior, being surrounded by what I see every day around J-R makes this school a non option. Maybe we move in bounds for MacArthur. There is nothing to do or mess with retail wise so maybe kids will just...go home?

I’m routinely in Tenly and inside or near the school at dismissal. I’ve never been “threatened”, nor has anyone else I know.