ANOTHER mass shooting in California

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s not the guns, it’s Americans. Don’t at me.

- Canadian

It’s Americans with guns.

- German

That too

- Canadian

ITA

-American

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I cannot tell you how hard it feels to live under the constant threat of gun violence in our country. I catch myself having fleeting throughts - and mentally saying a prayer - when I'm buying groceries. Even at a normally "above all that" store like Whole Foods, where you'd never expect gun violence.

My daughter is a student at UC Santa Cruz and I have actually stood on that campus and said a prayer to God to protect my DD and all the students from any possible shooters.

My life and mental state should never have come to this point.

agree. I no longer feel safe in malls, movie theaters, my church...

One time I was sitting in church thinking, what if a gunman came in right now and started shooting. We no longer have pews. The seating is all removable chairs.

No other citizens in wealthy and some not so wealthy countries ever think about this stuff.

I was in the UK over the summer, and I had an epiphany that I didn't once think about a shooter in all these crowded places I was at.

So sad for us, especially my kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Guns are the problem. However, unless the GOP and NRA lose their own family members in gun violence why would they care? Do you think they have any empathy with the ordinary people who are being killed?

No, criminals and murderers are the problem, along with a media and social environment that is the functional equivalent of the operant conditioning that military uses to desensitize soldiers to killing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Guns are the problem. However, unless the GOP and NRA lose their own family members in gun violence why would they care? Do you think they have any empathy with the ordinary people who are being killed?

No, criminals and murderers are the problem, along with a media and social environment that is the functional equivalent of the operant conditioning that military uses to desensitize soldiers to killing.

All countries have criminals and murderers.

Our country is the only one that lets them easily obtain weapons of war.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I cannot tell you how hard it feels to live under the constant threat of gun violence in our country. I catch myself having fleeting throughts - and mentally saying a prayer - when I'm buying groceries. Even at a normally "above all that" store like Whole Foods, where you'd never expect gun violence.

My daughter is a student at UC Santa Cruz and I have actually stood on that campus and said a prayer to God to protect my DD and all the students from any possible shooters.

My life and mental state should never have come to this point.

agree. I no longer feel safe in malls, movie theaters, my church...

One time I was sitting in church thinking, what if a gunman came in right now and started shooting. We no longer have pews. The seating is all removable chairs.

No other citizens in wealthy and some not so wealthy countries ever think about this stuff.

I was in the UK over the summer, and I had an epiphany that I didn't once think about a shooter in all these crowded places I was at.

So sad for us, especially my kids.

They have their problems in Europe also. Remember the Bataclan? That wasn’t that long ago. They’ve also had shootings and bombings in other crowded places- subways and airports, for instance. I had an acquaintance killed in a shooting in the airport in Rome many years ago.

No place is completely safe when there are people, mentally ill or not, who want to do bad things, unfortunately.

[Anonymous]

Gun violence is about math. If an overwhelming majority of folks whether they are nuts or not have access to a weapon easy to use to kill, statistically, deaths are going to rise. I mean you can't really escape crime. But you put a gun in a criminals hands, people die. Put it in an unstable persons hands, people will die. Depressed person, will die. Etc, et al. It's simple math. If however you entrust a protocol by which all who have guns must abide by like mandatory training, safe storage, limits on use, it will help a great deal for numbers to fall. Ultimately however, it will still be high because statistically, it doesn't matter what the equation is, logically you will end up with a mathematical reality. It will be better than no adjustments but come on, if is what it is. There's no way going back to where we were. It's not just about the nuts having access.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Guns are the problem. However, unless the GOP and NRA lose their own family members in gun violence why would they care? Do you think they have any empathy with the ordinary people who are being killed?

No, criminals and murderers are the problem, along with a media and social environment that is the functional equivalent of the operant conditioning that military uses to desensitize soldiers to killing.

All countries have criminals and murderers.

Our country is the only one that lets them easily obtain weapons of war.

“Weapons of war.” Catchy phrase. Completely inapposite. No military in the world uses semi-automatic weapons. None of these murderers is using artillery, mines, air dropped bombs, missiles, etc. I haven’t checked whether any of them might have used a fully automatic weapon, but I can’t think of one.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Guns are the problem. However, unless the GOP and NRA lose their own family members in gun violence why would they care? Do you think they have any empathy with the ordinary people who are being killed?

+2. This is the main problem (with others being the lack of mental health services in this country). But without easy access to guns, this would not happen like this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Guns are the problem. However, unless the GOP and NRA lose their own family members in gun violence why would they care? Do you think they have any empathy with the ordinary people who are being killed?

No, criminals and murderers are the problem, along with a media and social environment that is the functional equivalent of the operant conditioning that military uses to desensitize soldiers to killing.

All countries have criminals and murderers.

Our country is the only one that lets them easily obtain weapons of war.

“Weapons of war.” Catchy phrase. Completely inapposite. No military in the world uses semi-automatic weapons. None of these murderers is using artillery, mines, air dropped bombs, missiles, etc. I haven’t checked whether any of them might have used a fully automatic weapon, but I can’t think of one.

I know, dear.

It’s much easier to focus on semantics than argue that “ur freedums” justifies the deaths of thousands of people per year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Gun violence is about math. If an overwhelming majority of folks whether they are nuts or not have access to a weapon easy to use to kill, statistically, deaths are going to rise. I mean you can't really escape crime. But you put a gun in a criminals hands, people die. Put it in an unstable persons hands, people will die. Depressed person, will die. Etc, et al. It's simple math. If however you entrust a protocol by which all who have guns must abide by like mandatory training, safe storage, limits on use, it will help a great deal for numbers to fall. Ultimately however, it will still be high because statistically, it doesn't matter what the equation is, logically you will end up with a mathematical reality. It will be better than no adjustments but come on, if is what it is. There's no way going back to where we were. It's not just about the nuts having access.

“Gun violence.” Another catchy phrase. What about hammer violence; screwdriver violence; pipe violence; wrench violence; acid violence; gasoline violence; knife violence; sword violence; machete violence; crowbar violence; truck violence; car violence; insecticide violence; boiling water violence; hot grease violence; etc.; and my personal favorite, toilet tank cover violence?

Why don’t we hear about how all those other inanimate objects are constantly self-activating to do violence, but guns somehow have a mind, volition and locomotive capacity of their own.

Criminal violence is committed by criminals. Not inanimate objects.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Guns are the problem. However, unless the GOP and NRA lose their own family members in gun violence why would they care? Do you think they have any empathy with the ordinary people who are being killed?

No, criminals and murderers are the problem, along with a media and social environment that is the functional equivalent of the operant conditioning that military uses to desensitize soldiers to killing.

All countries have criminals and murderers.

Our country is the only one that lets them easily obtain weapons of war.

“Weapons of war.” Catchy phrase. Completely inapposite. No military in the world uses semi-automatic weapons. None of these murderers is using artillery, mines, air dropped bombs, missiles, etc. I haven’t checked whether any of them might have used a fully automatic weapon, but I can’t think of one.

You are being pedantic. We also haven’t technically been in any wars for decades, yet I am not sure that the Marine with a missing leg from combat would agree that such distinctions matter.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Gun violence is about math. If an overwhelming majority of folks whether they are nuts or not have access to a weapon easy to use to kill, statistically, deaths are going to rise. I mean you can't really escape crime. But you put a gun in a criminals hands, people die. Put it in an unstable persons hands, people will die. Depressed person, will die. Etc, et al. It's simple math. If however you entrust a protocol by which all who have guns must abide by like mandatory training, safe storage, limits on use, it will help a great deal for numbers to fall. Ultimately however, it will still be high because statistically, it doesn't matter what the equation is, logically you will end up with a mathematical reality. It will be better than no adjustments but come on, if is what it is. There's no way going back to where we were. It's not just about the nuts having access.

“Gun violence.” Another catchy phrase. What about hammer violence; screwdriver violence; pipe violence; wrench violence; acid violence; gasoline violence; knife violence; sword violence; machete violence; crowbar violence; truck violence; car violence; insecticide violence; boiling water violence; hot grease violence; etc.; and my personal favorite, toilet tank cover violence?

Why don’t we hear about how all those other inanimate objects are constantly self-activating to do violence, but guns somehow have a mind, volition and locomotive capacity of their own.

Criminal violence is committed by criminals. Not inanimate objects.

Is this satire? I can’t tell. Are you being sarcastic?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Gun violence is about math. If an overwhelming majority of folks whether they are nuts or not have access to a weapon easy to use to kill, statistically, deaths are going to rise. I mean you can't really escape crime. But you put a gun in a criminals hands, people die. Put it in an unstable persons hands, people will die. Depressed person, will die. Etc, et al. It's simple math. If however you entrust a protocol by which all who have guns must abide by like mandatory training, safe storage, limits on use, it will help a great deal for numbers to fall. Ultimately however, it will still be high because statistically, it doesn't matter what the equation is, logically you will end up with a mathematical reality. It will be better than no adjustments but come on, if is what it is. There's no way going back to where we were. It's not just about the nuts having access.

“Gun violence.” Another catchy phrase. What about hammer violence; screwdriver violence; pipe violence; wrench violence; acid violence; gasoline violence; knife violence; sword violence; machete violence; crowbar violence; truck violence; car violence; insecticide violence; boiling water violence; hot grease violence; etc.; and my personal favorite, toilet tank cover violence?

Why don’t we hear about how all those other inanimate objects are constantly self-activating to do violence, but guns somehow have a mind, volition and locomotive capacity of their own.

Criminal violence is committed by criminals. Not inanimate objects.

+1000

Why aren’t we locking up and convicting criminals?

In DC, MoCo, Fairfax, and Loudoun, they refuse to even hold violent suspects pending trial.

It is the people, not an inanimate object.

[Anonymous]

DP, by the way.

[Anonymous]

There are tons of guns in Switzerland too. Shooting is their national sport and almost everyone has one. You don’t hear about gun violence because there’s not much violence in Switzerland generally. Criminals and mentally disturbed people are locked up where they can’t hurt anyone. We tolerate violence in America for some reason and we put the rights of people who break the law above the rights of the law abiding people.