Clinic/Shadow Requirements and Applying to Med School?

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Anonymous wrote:My niece is waiting to hear from Med Schools now. She opted to work in a hospital in a fellowship program in NY (went to NYU) for 2 years after college before applying. She has applied to over 20 schools (does not think she will get into NYU Med-very competitive especially after going tuition free) and still feels like it’s not enough. But she is very excited to go, so if you are into Med School it is worth it. We need doctors!

We do need more doctors. Too bad Congress, the AAMC and medical schools don’t understand this and are creating bottlenecks.

It’s a distribution problem more than a supply problem. Rural states, and rural areas of states are always working on the distribution and recruitment aspect. This is why Carilion is a big advance for VIrginia, for example.

The US graduates only about 20,000 new physicians per year for a country of 350 million people.

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Anonymous wrote:My niece is waiting to hear from Med Schools now. She opted to work in a hospital in a fellowship program in NY (went to NYU) for 2 years after college before applying. She has applied to over 20 schools (does not think she will get into NYU Med-very competitive especially after going tuition free) and still feels like it’s not enough. But she is very excited to go, so if you are into Med School it is worth it. We need doctors!

We do need more doctors. Too bad Congress, the AAMC and medical schools don’t understand this and are creating bottlenecks.

It’s a distribution problem more than a supply problem. Rural states, and rural areas of states are always working on the distribution and recruitment aspect. This is why Carilion is a big advance for VIrginia, for example.

That’s the company line of the profession, but soon there will be shortages everywhere.

DP. My mother and two cousins are nurses. In their opinion, the physician supply is fine but the nursing shortage is real!

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Anonymous wrote:I just wanted to say the admission is really really hard...

This. It is almost out of control and impossible. Applicants now have thousands of combined hours of research, clinical work, nonclinical volunteering, shadowing, and they have publications in scientific journals, near 4.0 gpas, and over 90 percentile mcats. I can’t fathom a young person doing all of this, and I am sure that, while these types of people are smart and driven, they may not make the best future doctors because they have had no time for any life experiences. But, it will be a crazy seller’s market until Congress raises the cap on funded residencies.

This has always been the case. If anything, life has gotten better since they mandated the "80-hr" residency rule. Before that, it was just out of control.

It takes a lot to get into medical school, and even more to last through residency.

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Anonymous wrote:My niece is waiting to hear from Med Schools now. She opted to work in a hospital in a fellowship program in NY (went to NYU) for 2 years after college before applying. She has applied to over 20 schools (does not think she will get into NYU Med-very competitive especially after going tuition free) and still feels like it’s not enough. But she is very excited to go, so if you are into Med School it is worth it. We need doctors!

We do need more doctors. Too bad Congress, the AAMC and medical schools don’t understand this and are creating bottlenecks.

It’s a distribution problem more than a supply problem. Rural states, and rural areas of states are always working on the distribution and recruitment aspect. This is why Carilion is a big advance for VIrginia, for example.

The US graduates only about 20,000 new physicians per year for a country of 350 million people.

DOs generally go into primary care and as such as are especially critical to the supply. Their graduates push the number each year to almost 29,000. That’s a substantial increase over your figure, PP.

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Anonymous wrote:My niece is waiting to hear from Med Schools now. She opted to work in a hospital in a fellowship program in NY (went to NYU) for 2 years after college before applying. She has applied to over 20 schools (does not think she will get into NYU Med-very competitive especially after going tuition free) and still feels like it’s not enough. But she is very excited to go, so if you are into Med School it is worth it. We need doctors!

We do need more doctors. Too bad Congress, the AAMC and medical schools don’t understand this and are creating bottlenecks.

It’s a distribution problem more than a supply problem. Rural states, and rural areas of states are always working on the distribution and recruitment aspect. This is why Carilion is a big advance for VIrginia, for example.

That’s the company line of the profession, but soon there will be shortages everywhere.

DP. My mother and two cousins are nurses. In their opinion, the physician supply is fine but the nursing shortage is real!

Very true, I am continually shocked this is not addressed on a national level.

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Anonymous wrote:I just wanted to say the admission is really really hard...

Yes, everyone I knew who went into medicine 20 years ago was normal, went to parties, dated, socialized and had good solid grades and some volunteering experience. Now, these types of mere mortals can’t get in. You have to be a genius gunner uber nerd who spends every second of your life from age 5 on building your medical school application.

Everyone I know 20 years ago went to med school for the money. The med students I know now have a more authentic interest.

And they begin ECs in college, not age 5. Or high school. 🙄

You are so naive. They do start building their applications in high school, joining HOSA, taking college level classes and AP science prereqs, and even getting scientific research experience and publications (usually the students who do this are very connected).

Medical schools don’t consider research, shadowing, clinical experience occurring before HS graduation.

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My DS graduated from residency in 2022 and is now an attending physician. He shadowed various physicians and specialties while in college (mostly on breaks). He also was involved in a research project one summer and was named in a publication. Medical schools don’t have a set number of shadow hours (vs physician’s assistant), but they do expect the student to have done something in the field prior to applying. Colleges typically have a med school advisor to help them coordinate and assist in their application.