ACHS - Another Murdered Student

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am sick of people saying deteriorating city and the like. I grew up here and the neighborhoods where people complain about crime and they paid whatever price for new builds used to be no go areas. North old town, near Braddock metro, etc. The crimes there were atrocious. The city is vastly improved yet people go one next door and whine incessantly.

Murders of 17 year old boys is not "whining."

It is different crime - organized criminal gangs infiltrating our schools. A beheaded body was dumped at The Pit 4 years ago. A raid by the federal government a few months ago led to 6 MS-13 "king pin" arrests in the City. The City leadership refuses to acknowledge this reality, that is why it is deteriorating. In the years you harken back to, people were not sweeping it under the rug.

You think ms 13 wasn’t around ten, twenty, thirty years ago? You think wrong

TC class of '91. There were no gangs when I was there. None. Times are very different now.

Guess you completely forgot about the 1990 gang-related murder of a TC student.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/local/1990/02/05/simmering-gang-feud-erupted-in-va-teens-slaying/0e7e3384-3007-411d-af1e-c697d0e5a7ef/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am sick of people saying deteriorating city and the like. I grew up here and the neighborhoods where people complain about crime and they paid whatever price for new builds used to be no go areas. North old town, near Braddock metro, etc. The crimes there were atrocious. The city is vastly improved yet people go one next door and whine incessantly.

Murders of 17 year old boys is not "whining."

It is different crime - organized criminal gangs infiltrating our schools. A beheaded body was dumped at The Pit 4 years ago. A raid by the federal government a few months ago led to 6 MS-13 "king pin" arrests in the City. The City leadership refuses to acknowledge this reality, that is why it is deteriorating. In the years you harken back to, people were not sweeping it under the rug.

You think ms 13 wasn’t around ten, twenty, thirty years ago? You think wrong

TC class of '91. There were no gangs when I was there. None. Times are very different now.

Guess you completely forgot about the 1990 gang-related murder of a TC student.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/local/1990/02/05/simmering-gang-feud-erupted-in-va-teens-slaying/0e7e3384-3007-411d-af1e-c697d0e5a7ef/

Guess you completely missed the part where the feud was with DC residents and that he was attacked no where near a school. Embarrassing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am sick of people saying deteriorating city and the like. I grew up here and the neighborhoods where people complain about crime and they paid whatever price for new builds used to be no go areas. North old town, near Braddock metro, etc. The crimes there were atrocious. The city is vastly improved yet people go one next door and whine incessantly.

Murders of 17 year old boys is not "whining."

It is different crime - organized criminal gangs infiltrating our schools. A beheaded body was dumped at The Pit 4 years ago. A raid by the federal government a few months ago led to 6 MS-13 "king pin" arrests in the City. The City leadership refuses to acknowledge this reality, that is why it is deteriorating. In the years you harken back to, people were not sweeping it under the rug.

You think ms 13 wasn’t around ten, twenty, thirty years ago? You think wrong

TC class of '91. There were no gangs when I was there. None. Times are very different now.

Guess you completely forgot about the 1990 gang-related murder of a TC student.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/local/1990/02/05/simmering-gang-feud-erupted-in-va-teens-slaying/0e7e3384-3007-411d-af1e-c697d0e5a7ef/

Guess you completely missed the part where the feud was with DC residents and that he was attacked no where near a school. Embarrassing.

So, this thread is only about shootings physically near school? Anyway, that shooting in 1990 was near Ramsey Elementary.

The prior poster said there were “no gangs, none” when they were at TC and that simply isn’t true. The article even talks about “La Mara de Chirilagua.” Whether students at the time realized it or not, gangs were active in Alexandria back then. It’s not a new issue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am sick of people saying deteriorating city and the like. I grew up here and the neighborhoods where people complain about crime and they paid whatever price for new builds used to be no go areas. North old town, near Braddock metro, etc. The crimes there were atrocious. The city is vastly improved yet people go one next door and whine incessantly.

Murders of 17 year old boys is not "whining."

It is different crime - organized criminal gangs infiltrating our schools. A beheaded body was dumped at The Pit 4 years ago. A raid by the federal government a few months ago led to 6 MS-13 "king pin" arrests in the City. The City leadership refuses to acknowledge this reality, that is why it is deteriorating. In the years you harken back to, people were not sweeping it under the rug.

You think ms 13 wasn’t around ten, twenty, thirty years ago? You think wrong

TC class of '91. There were no gangs when I was there. None. Times are very different now.

Guess you completely forgot about the 1990 gang-related murder of a TC student.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/local/1990/02/05/simmering-gang-feud-erupted-in-va-teens-slaying/0e7e3384-3007-411d-af1e-c697d0e5a7ef/

Guess you completely missed the part where the feud was with DC residents and that he was attacked no where near a school. Embarrassing.

So, this thread is only about shootings physically near school? Anyway, that shooting in 1990 was near Ramsey Elementary.

The prior poster said there were “no gangs, none” when they were at TC and that simply isn’t true. The article even talks about “La Mara de Chirilagua.” Whether students at the time realized it or not, gangs were active in Alexandria back then. It’s not a new issue.

1- Ramsey is not TC
2- Chirlilagua is not TC
3- DC is not TC

Are you really that dense?

Because there was one kid attending TC that may have belonged to a neighborhood gang that fueded with gangs in other cities, does not mean TC had a gang problem in the 90s, by any stretch. But, please continue to lecture me about a school you didn't attend.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am sick of people saying deteriorating city and the like. I grew up here and the neighborhoods where people complain about crime and they paid whatever price for new builds used to be no go areas. North old town, near Braddock metro, etc. The crimes there were atrocious. The city is vastly improved yet people go one next door and whine incessantly.

Murders of 17 year old boys is not "whining."

It is different crime - organized criminal gangs infiltrating our schools. A beheaded body was dumped at The Pit 4 years ago. A raid by the federal government a few months ago led to 6 MS-13 "king pin" arrests in the City. The City leadership refuses to acknowledge this reality, that is why it is deteriorating. In the years you harken back to, people were not sweeping it under the rug.

You think ms 13 wasn’t around ten, twenty, thirty years ago? You think wrong

TC class of '91. There were no gangs when I was there. None. Times are very different now.

Guess you completely forgot about the 1990 gang-related murder of a TC student.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/local/1990/02/05/simmering-gang-feud-erupted-in-va-teens-slaying/0e7e3384-3007-411d-af1e-c697d0e5a7ef/

Guess you completely missed the part where the feud was with DC residents and that he was attacked no where near a school. Embarrassing.

So, this thread is only about shootings physically near school? Anyway, that shooting in 1990 was near Ramsey Elementary.

The prior poster said there were “no gangs, none” when they were at TC and that simply isn’t true. The article even talks about “La Mara de Chirilagua.” Whether students at the time realized it or not, gangs were active in Alexandria back then. It’s not a new issue.

1- Ramsey is not TC
2- Chirlilagua is not TC
3- DC is not TC

Are you really that dense?

Because there was one kid attending TC that may have belonged to a neighborhood gang that fueded with gangs in other cities, does not mean TC had a gang problem in the 90s, by any stretch. But, please continue to lecture me about a school you didn't attend.

Very strange take. What point exactly are you trying to make here? Gangs have been a problem in this area for decades.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am sick of people saying deteriorating city and the like. I grew up here and the neighborhoods where people complain about crime and they paid whatever price for new builds used to be no go areas. North old town, near Braddock metro, etc. The crimes there were atrocious. The city is vastly improved yet people go one next door and whine incessantly.

Murders of 17 year old boys is not "whining."

It is different crime - organized criminal gangs infiltrating our schools. A beheaded body was dumped at The Pit 4 years ago. A raid by the federal government a few months ago led to 6 MS-13 "king pin" arrests in the City. The City leadership refuses to acknowledge this reality, that is why it is deteriorating. In the years you harken back to, people were not sweeping it under the rug.

You think ms 13 wasn’t around ten, twenty, thirty years ago? You think wrong

And Alexandria assisted in enforcing federal immigration laws and there were not 2 million arrivals across the southern border - policies of this City have had a profound negative effect on the schools. The "progressives" of Alexandria cannot talk about our schools deteriorating without indicting the ludicrous "progressive" policies of the City. This includes the large-scale affordable housing projects and guaranteed income to non-citizens.

Next push will be allowing illegal immigrants in the city the right to vote in local elections. That will basically give the keys to everything to TWU.

Can't wait to see our town become like El Salvador.

Why not give residents who paying city property taxes the right to vote? Many towns do it. Maybe this would lead to a city council and SB willing to put in the investment to build another high school and more middle schools.

The scope of what PTAC does May or may not be political but I am hard-pressed to understand why it is on them that a 17 year old kid was brazenly murdered during the day in a location where there would be witnesses and surveillance cameras.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am sick of people saying deteriorating city and the like. I grew up here and the neighborhoods where people complain about crime and they paid whatever price for new builds used to be no go areas. North old town, near Braddock metro, etc. The crimes there were atrocious. The city is vastly improved yet people go one next door and whine incessantly.

Murders of 17 year old boys is not "whining."

It is different crime - organized criminal gangs infiltrating our schools. A beheaded body was dumped at The Pit 4 years ago. A raid by the federal government a few months ago led to 6 MS-13 "king pin" arrests in the City. The City leadership refuses to acknowledge this reality, that is why it is deteriorating. In the years you harken back to, people were not sweeping it under the rug.

You think ms 13 wasn’t around ten, twenty, thirty years ago? You think wrong

And Alexandria assisted in enforcing federal immigration laws and there were not 2 million arrivals across the southern border - policies of this City have had a profound negative effect on the schools. The "progressives" of Alexandria cannot talk about our schools deteriorating without indicting the ludicrous "progressive" policies of the City. This includes the large-scale affordable housing projects and guaranteed income to non-citizens.

Next push will be allowing illegal immigrants in the city the right to vote in local elections. That will basically give the keys to everything to TWU.

Can't wait to see our town become like El Salvador.

Why not give residents who paying city property taxes the right to vote? Many towns do it. Maybe this would lead to a city council and SB willing to put in the investment to build another high school and more middle schools.

The scope of what PTAC does May or may not be political but I am hard-pressed to understand why it is on them that a 17 year old kid was brazenly murdered during the day in a location where there would be witnesses and surveillance cameras.

Ummm...no one said "it was on them" that a 17 year old was murdered. You should re-read the thread.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am sick of people saying deteriorating city and the like. I grew up here and the neighborhoods where people complain about crime and they paid whatever price for new builds used to be no go areas. North old town, near Braddock metro, etc. The crimes there were atrocious. The city is vastly improved yet people go one next door and whine incessantly.

Murders of 17 year old boys is not "whining."

It is different crime - organized criminal gangs infiltrating our schools. A beheaded body was dumped at The Pit 4 years ago. A raid by the federal government a few months ago led to 6 MS-13 "king pin" arrests in the City. The City leadership refuses to acknowledge this reality, that is why it is deteriorating. In the years you harken back to, people were not sweeping it under the rug.

You think ms 13 wasn’t around ten, twenty, thirty years ago? You think wrong

And Alexandria assisted in enforcing federal immigration laws and there were not 2 million arrivals across the southern border - policies of this City have had a profound negative effect on the schools. The "progressives" of Alexandria cannot talk about our schools deteriorating without indicting the ludicrous "progressive" policies of the City. This includes the large-scale affordable housing projects and guaranteed income to non-citizens.

Next push will be allowing illegal immigrants in the city the right to vote in local elections. That will basically give the keys to everything to TWU.

Can't wait to see our town become like El Salvador.

Why not give residents who paying city property taxes the right to vote? Many towns do it. Maybe this would lead to a city council and SB willing to put in the investment to build another high school and more middle schools.

The scope of what PTAC does May or may not be political but I am hard-pressed to understand why it is on them that a 17 year old kid was brazenly murdered during the day in a location where there would be witnesses and surveillance cameras.

Few own property so aren't paying property tax. In terms of cars, the older the car, the less chance there is any tax collected.
but you are right on about the fact that if they were given a voice through some means of voting that 2nd high school might have already been built.
People in SFH want walkable schools. Well don't think they think families on the West End living in condos and apartments want that for their kids as well?
If they feel it is not equitable, they can hold a lottery to determine which school a student attends.
It's pretty terrible that stuff so many kids into that one tiny building.

[Anonymous]

Why not give residents who paying city property taxes the right to vote? Many towns do it. Maybe this would lead to a city council and SB willing to put in the investment to build another high school and more middle schools.

The scope of what PTAC does May or may not be political but I am hard-pressed to understand why it is on them that a 17 year old kid was brazenly murdered during the day in a location where there would be witnesses and surveillance cameras.


Few own property so aren't paying property tax. In terms of cars, the older the car, the less chance there is any tax collected.
but you are right on about the fact that if they were given a voice through some means of voting that 2nd high school might have already been built.
People in SFH want walkable schools. Well don't think they think families on the West End living in condos and apartments want that for their kids as well?
If they feel it is not equitable, they can hold a lottery to determine which school a student attends.
It's pretty terrible that stuff so many kids into that one tiny building.

Why couldn't they just make the new Minnie Howard building taller and make two high schools right near each other? They could assign students randomly by lottery to be fair.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am sick of people saying deteriorating city and the like. I grew up here and the neighborhoods where people complain about crime and they paid whatever price for new builds used to be no go areas. North old town, near Braddock metro, etc. The crimes there were atrocious. The city is vastly improved yet people go one next door and whine incessantly.

Murders of 17 year old boys is not "whining."

It is different crime - organized criminal gangs infiltrating our schools. A beheaded body was dumped at The Pit 4 years ago. A raid by the federal government a few months ago led to 6 MS-13 "king pin" arrests in the City. The City leadership refuses to acknowledge this reality, that is why it is deteriorating. In the years you harken back to, people were not sweeping it under the rug.

You think ms 13 wasn’t around ten, twenty, thirty years ago? You think wrong

And Alexandria assisted in enforcing federal immigration laws and there were not 2 million arrivals across the southern border - policies of this City have had a profound negative effect on the schools. The "progressives" of Alexandria cannot talk about our schools deteriorating without indicting the ludicrous "progressive" policies of the City. This includes the large-scale affordable housing projects and guaranteed income to non-citizens.

Next push will be allowing illegal immigrants in the city the right to vote in local elections. That will basically give the keys to everything to TWU.

Can't wait to see our town become like El Salvador.

Why not give residents who paying city property taxes the right to vote? Many towns do it. Maybe this would lead to a city council and SB willing to put in the investment to build another high school and more middle schools.

The scope of what PTAC does May or may not be political but I am hard-pressed to understand why it is on them that a 17 year old kid was brazenly murdered during the day in a location where there would be witnesses and surveillance cameras.

Few own property so aren't paying property tax. In terms of cars, the older the car, the less chance there is any tax collected.
but you are right on about the fact that if they were given a voice through some means of voting that 2nd high school might have already been built.
People in SFH want walkable schools. Well don't think they think families on the West End living in condos and apartments want that for their kids as well?
If they feel it is not equitable, they can hold a lottery to determine which school a student attends.
It's pretty terrible that stuff so many kids into that one tiny building.

The high school student reps to the school board have been saying for years that students don't feel safe due to the over capacity when they have to do things like fire drills. They have expressed their fear of what would happen if there was an emergency. They are totally ignored.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Why not give residents who paying city property taxes the right to vote? Many towns do it. Maybe this would lead to a city council and SB willing to put in the investment to build another high school and more middle schools.

The scope of what PTAC does May or may not be political but I am hard-pressed to understand why it is on them that a 17 year old kid was brazenly murdered during the day in a location where there would be witnesses and surveillance cameras.


Few own property so aren't paying property tax. In terms of cars, the older the car, the less chance there is any tax collected.
but you are right on about the fact that if they were given a voice through some means of voting that 2nd high school might have already been built.
People in SFH want walkable schools. Well don't think they think families on the West End living in condos and apartments want that for their kids as well?
If they feel it is not equitable, they can hold a lottery to determine which school a student attends.
It's pretty terrible that stuff so many kids into that one tiny building.

Why couldn't they just make the new Minnie Howard building taller and make two high schools right near each other? They could assign students randomly by lottery to be fair.

That's racist and impossible. There are no solutions. That's what the mayor, city council (who would have to fund the CIP to build another high school), every school board member in the last 10 years if not more, the ACPS staff and the parents who trade support for special treatment say.

There will not be a second high school. At least the SB is talking about making George Mason another middle school when it's razed and rebuilt. So some of the over crowding that GW can be alleviated at least.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Has there been something definitive that he was a student at ACHS or anything about the circumstances of the crime? I haven’t seen anything since the stories where they ruled it to be a homicide.

I’ve only seen statements that the 17 year-old as a City resident. Not clear yet that he was a student at ACHS.

Yeah he probably went to St. Stephens.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Has there been something definitive that he was a student at ACHS or anything about the circumstances of the crime? I haven’t seen anything since the stories where they ruled it to be a homicide.

I’ve only seen statements that the 17 year-old as a City resident. Not clear yet that he was a student at ACHS.

Yeah he probably went to St. Stephens.

Could be. Maybe ask the Director of the ACPS TAG program.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Why not give residents who paying city property taxes the right to vote? Many towns do it. Maybe this would lead to a city council and SB willing to put in the investment to build another high school and more middle schools.

The scope of what PTAC does May or may not be political but I am hard-pressed to understand why it is on them that a 17 year old kid was brazenly murdered during the day in a location where there would be witnesses and surveillance cameras.


Few own property so aren't paying property tax. In terms of cars, the older the car, the less chance there is any tax collected.
but you are right on about the fact that if they were given a voice through some means of voting that 2nd high school might have already been built.
People in SFH want walkable schools. Well don't think they think families on the West End living in condos and apartments want that for their kids as well?
If they feel it is not equitable, they can hold a lottery to determine which school a student attends.
It's pretty terrible that stuff so many kids into that one tiny building.

Why couldn't they just make the new Minnie Howard building taller and make two high schools right near each other? They could assign students randomly by lottery to be fair.

There are height limits for school buildings/how many floors of a building a school can occupy. I think it's four.

When they eventually put adult housing at the schools - Minnie Howard seems to have escaped it but it will hopefully be proposed again for George Mason (Wilson wants it and so does Alderton so it should happen) - they could build higher and put the housing or administrative offices on the upper floors but not students.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am sick of people saying deteriorating city and the like. I grew up here and the neighborhoods where people complain about crime and they paid whatever price for new builds used to be no go areas. North old town, near Braddock metro, etc. The crimes there were atrocious. The city is vastly improved yet people go one next door and whine incessantly.

Murders of 17 year old boys is not "whining."

It is different crime - organized criminal gangs infiltrating our schools. A beheaded body was dumped at The Pit 4 years ago. A raid by the federal government a few months ago led to 6 MS-13 "king pin" arrests in the City. The City leadership refuses to acknowledge this reality, that is why it is deteriorating. In the years you harken back to, people were not sweeping it under the rug.

MS-13 is the problem.

Closing the wide-open southern border is part of the difficult solution to the youth Mara gang problem.