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[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If you are vegetarian because you are an animal rights person, ask yourself how many animals die when you plow a field to plant your vegetables.

I am not a vegetarian and that is the dumbest thing I've heard this week.

It isn’t, though. Moles, voles, mice… etc. all dead to plow a field for your quinoa or whatever.

PP is like a 5 year old who is convinced they have it all figured out.

PP - what do you imagine that livestock eat? In the US, it’s mostly corn. And, about 9 pounds of corn for every pound of animal. So, in addition to killing animals after they’ve live a life tantamount to continual torture, you’re also killing 9 times as many mice, voles, etc.

Maybe read a book once in a while?

This! OBVIOUSLY.

[Anonymous]

They are very processed so not great for you. Not worse than other processed foods, like frozen (real) burger patties, but not really better from a health perspective.

I am a vegetarian and I tend to over-rely on processed meat substitutes too. I have been trying to cut back. I buy the Dr Praeger black bean/quinoa burgers, those are pretty good.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you are vegetarian because you are an animal rights person, ask yourself how many animals die when you plow a field to plant your vegetables.

I am not a vegetarian and that is the dumbest thing I've heard this week.

The other PP is right. Just because the dead animal doesn’t end up on your plate doesn’t mean it’s any less dead. Fields have animals, lots of them. They may be little, but they’re real.

This has got to be trolling, right? There can’t really be adult Americans who know this little about how food production works, right?

PP, in America, most poultry, beef, and chicken eat mostly corn, and for every pound of meat, they have to consume many pounds of corn. So, not only are very many more voles (really?) killed for a pound of beef than for a pound of soybeans, ALSO:

- corn is shipped to feedlots in trucks burning diesel and belching smoke into the air. So, more global warming and more kids (and voles) with asthma.
- cows and pigs fart A LOT. So, that’s many, many tons of methane released into the atmosphere. It turns out that methane is about 10 times as effective a greenhouse gas as CO2, so again, LOTS of global warming and lots of habitat loss for the voles in terms of ecosystem collapse, forest fires, freak storms, massive forest die offs (trees can’t migrate north as temperatures warm), mudslides as previously forested slopes are now dead, algae blooms killing fish and the wildlife that depend on fish, etc.

In theory, small scale, grass fed beef production, chickens in the yard and a pig fed off table scraps are very efficient. That’s how my grandparents lived. But nowadays, the reality is giant fields of roundup saturated corn being harvested by huge combines belching diesel fumes, then corn loaded onto trucks or diesel locomotives and shipped to feedlots where animals are packed together so tightly in their own dung that they are constantly ill (and also, for cows, their bodies aren’t made to eat corn, so they are always sick), so they are constantly dosed with antibiotics.

All in all, it’s a big cocktail of animal cruelty, greenhouse gasses, diesel particulates, fish kills from animal waste getting into rivers, and antibiotic resistance. All of which will end up killing a whole lot of humans, not to mention lots of voles.

[Anonymous]

Try making a batch of vegetarian chili and you can eat that for lunch and/or dinner for a few days while your family eats meat. Another option would be getting a vegetarian meal service such as green chef and get the option for 2 people - cook that for yourself. can also get single salmon cuts, sprinkle with kosher salt, pepper, garlic powder and drizzle with honey, bake at 400 for about 20mins. Serve that with sweet potatoes and veggies. Or make a large batch of Quinoa which lasts for a few days. Add veggies to it and serve with the salmon and sautéed shrimp.