one kid accepted, one kid rejected from the same college

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Anonymous wrote:Athletes are not in the same track. But there is no reason for envy. They have to work incredibly hard while also being full time students. It’s a different educational experience along with a different admissions standard.

So tired of the elitist attitude of athletes and parents. Kids who hold full time jobs, practice an instrument or perform have very challenging and demanding schedules. Athletes aren’t the only ones working hard.

Read what I said. They are getting a different educational experience. As in, after they get in. They aren’t getting all the perks and opportunities of non athlete kids.

And I am not an athlete or an athlete parent. My ex boyfriend, who I despise now, was a D1 athlete. As terrible a person and boyfriend as he was, I can tell you he worked harder than anyone I knew while in college, because he had a serious full time job as an athlete on top of being a full time student. It sucked for him. It’s just not the same thing at all and it’s nothing to envy.

You should learn to read too. Everything said there about a full time job, a musical instrument or any other college activity can be just as time consuming as being a single season athlete. It’s not like kids stop doing these things once they get to college.

*if* they are a music admit they are just as much on a different track as an athlete GTFOH

Wrong. Sports admittance has everything to do with game money. There is no money in ballet or music or any other skill. There are no music admits for regular universities, except in very special cases. The professionals go to music-specific colleges, of which Curtis is the best (not Juiliard). Curtis takes 5 students a year, worldwide, and pays their tuition. Guess how competitive you have to be to get in?

The pro-athletes on this board have NO CLUE how hard others work to get where they are. Be careful, because you're just helping give all athletes a bad name.

harvard getting a ton of ticket revenue from women's field hockey or men's fencing then? do they even bother checking for tickets to watch?

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Anonymous wrote:Athletes are not in the same track. But there is no reason for envy. They have to work incredibly hard while also being full time students. It’s a different educational experience along with a different admissions standard.

So tired of the elitist attitude of athletes and parents. Kids who hold full time jobs, practice an instrument or perform have very challenging and demanding schedules. Athletes aren’t the only ones working hard.

Read what I said. They are getting a different educational experience. As in, after they get in. They aren’t getting all the perks and opportunities of non athlete kids.

And I am not an athlete or an athlete parent. My ex boyfriend, who I despise now, was a D1 athlete. As terrible a person and boyfriend as he was, I can tell you he worked harder than anyone I knew while in college, because he had a serious full time job as an athlete on top of being a full time student. It sucked for him. It’s just not the same thing at all and it’s nothing to envy.

You should learn to read too. Everything said there about a full time job, a musical instrument or any other college activity can be just as time consuming as being a single season athlete. It’s not like kids stop doing these things once they get to college.

*if* they are a music admit they are just as much on a different track as an athlete GTFOH

Wrong. Sports admittance has everything to do with game money. There is no money in ballet or music or any other skill. There are no music admits for regular universities, except in very special cases. The professionals go to music-specific colleges, of which Curtis is the best (not Juiliard). Curtis takes 5 students a year, worldwide, and pays their tuition. Guess how competitive you have to be to get in?

The pro-athletes on this board have NO CLUE how hard others work to get where they are. Be careful, because you're just helping give all athletes a bad name.

harvard getting a ton of ticket revenue from women's field hockey or men's fencing then? do they even bother checking for tickets to watch?

Many women's sports programs don't generate revenue but colleges have to keep them because of Title IX. If it was just about money there would pretty much only be football and men's basketball teams.

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Anonymous wrote:Ignore the not nice PPs.

I have a friend with twins; both applied to Stanford where they were legacy.

The kid with the higher scores and great athletics--the kid who would be the natural fit (according to their mom) was waitlisted.

The kid with the lower scores but interesting story got in--however, that one had shaky mental health and the mom was rather surprised. That one did have a few mental health problems while at the school but I think is muddling through. The mom has had to go up there at least once to hand-hold.

Point being, you never know what the school is looking for, OP.

Interesting account, but not really relevant to OP unless the athlete was a recruited athlete. Like others have said, that is a whole different universe and like comparing apples to oranges.

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Anonymous wrote:Athletes are not in the same track. But there is no reason for envy. They have to work incredibly hard while also being full time students. It’s a different educational experience along with a different admissions standard.

So tired of the elitist attitude of athletes and parents. Kids who hold full time jobs, practice an instrument or perform have very challenging and demanding schedules. Athletes aren’t the only ones working hard.

Read what I said. They are getting a different educational experience. As in, after they get in. They aren’t getting all the perks and opportunities of non athlete kids.

And I am not an athlete or an athlete parent. My ex boyfriend, who I despise now, was a D1 athlete. As terrible a person and boyfriend as he was, I can tell you he worked harder than anyone I knew while in college, because he had a serious full time job as an athlete on top of being a full time student. It sucked for him. It’s just not the same thing at all and it’s nothing to envy.

You should learn to read too. Everything said there about a full time job, a musical instrument or any other college activity can be just as time consuming as being a single season athlete. It’s not like kids stop doing these things once they get to college.

*if* they are a music admit they are just as much on a different track as an athlete GTFOH

Wrong. Sports admittance has everything to do with game money. There is no money in ballet or music or any other skill. There are no music admits for regular universities, except in very special cases. The professionals go to music-specific colleges, of which Curtis is the best (not Juiliard). Curtis takes 5 students a year, worldwide, and pays their tuition. Guess how competitive you have to be to get in?

The pro-athletes on this board have NO CLUE how hard others work to get where they are. Be careful, because you're just helping give all athletes a bad name.

harvard getting a ton of ticket revenue from women's field hockey or men's fencing then? do they even bother checking for tickets to watch?

with the NIL money women's are outpacing men so we shall see.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone have kids who both applied to the same college, and the recruited athlete got in while the non-athlete got rejected...despite similar grades and test scores?

Good lord OP. Are you seriously asking this but you don't get it? The recruited kid has no business getting in based on academics, but he is a "recruited athlete."

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Anonymous wrote:Athletes are not in the same track. But there is no reason for envy. They have to work incredibly hard while also being full time students. It’s a different educational experience along with a different admissions standard.

So tired of the elitist attitude of athletes and parents. Kids who hold full time jobs, practice an instrument or perform have very challenging and demanding schedules. Athletes aren’t the only ones working hard.

Read what I said. They are getting a different educational experience. As in, after they get in. They aren’t getting all the perks and opportunities of non athlete kids.

And I am not an athlete or an athlete parent. My ex boyfriend, who I despise now, was a D1 athlete. As terrible a person and boyfriend as he was, I can tell you he worked harder than anyone I knew while in college, because he had a serious full time job as an athlete on top of being a full time student. It sucked for him. It’s just not the same thing at all and it’s nothing to envy.

You should learn to read too. Everything said there about a full time job, a musical instrument or any other college activity can be just as time consuming as being a single season athlete. It’s not like kids stop doing these things once they get to college.

*if* they are a music admit they are just as much on a different track as an athlete GTFOH

Wrong. Sports admittance has everything to do with game money. There is no money in ballet or music or any other skill. There are no music admits for regular universities, except in very special cases. The professionals go to music-specific colleges, of which Curtis is the best (not Juiliard). Curtis takes 5 students a year, worldwide, and pays their tuition. Guess how competitive you have to be to get in?

The pro-athletes on this board have NO CLUE how hard others work to get where they are. Be careful, because you're just helping give all athletes a bad name.

harvard getting a ton of ticket revenue from women's field hockey or men's fencing then? do they even bother checking for tickets to watch?

with the NIL money women's are outpacing men so we shall see.

yes I saw that the women's volleyball team at Cornell recently signed a NIL for $30MM/year, just like Bryce Harper. Stick that in you pipe and smoke it, nerds!

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Anonymous wrote:yes I saw that the women's volleyball team at Cornell recently signed a NIL for $30MM/year, just like Bryce Harper. Stick that in you pipe and smoke it, nerds!

Source?

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Anonymous wrote:Athletes are not in the same track. But there is no reason for envy. They have to work incredibly hard while also being full time students. It’s a different educational experience along with a different admissions standard.

So tired of the elitist attitude of athletes and parents. Kids who hold full time jobs, practice an instrument or perform have very challenging and demanding schedules. Athletes aren’t the only ones working hard.

This is a false comparison. Athletes work harder, devote more time and learn valuable skills such as teamwork, grit and winning and losing. This cannot be replicated by whatever silly things your little nerds do in their spare time.

I was a college athlete and only women like me who competed in team sports at a d3 level or better ever learned to stand up for ourselves and not get walked all over by men in the workplace.

You sound like a lovely person!

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Anonymous wrote:Athletes are not in the same track. But there is no reason for envy. They have to work incredibly hard while also being full time students. It’s a different educational experience along with a different admissions standard.

So tired of the elitist attitude of athletes and parents. Kids who hold full time jobs, practice an instrument or perform have very challenging and demanding schedules. Athletes aren’t the only ones working hard.

So tired of losers and haters who never got over their kid being cut from the middle school travel team. Stay mad, music nerds.

exactly - nerds are the worst. totally a bunch of losers and haters. my kids were in the top 5000 for their sport nationally, so they totally deserved admittance to a top 10 school.

The world's most famous Cellist Yo Yo Ma probably makes 3M/year and that number is very generous. Meanwhile Bryce Harper makes 30M+/year playing baseball. Therefore, it is absurd to compare a kid with music talent on the same level as a D1 recruited athlete.

this is unassailable logic. Athletes rule, you nerds!

+1. Lol. I was trying to find a way of pointing out its illogic but you said it for me, and better!

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Anonymous wrote:Athletes are not in the same track. But there is no reason for envy. They have to work incredibly hard while also being full time students. It’s a different educational experience along with a different admissions standard.

So tired of the elitist attitude of athletes and parents. Kids who hold full time jobs, practice an instrument or perform have very challenging and demanding schedules. Athletes aren’t the only ones working hard.

Read what I said. They are getting a different educational experience. As in, after they get in. They aren’t getting all the perks and opportunities of non athlete kids.

And I am not an athlete or an athlete parent. My ex boyfriend, who I despise now, was a D1 athlete. As terrible a person and boyfriend as he was, I can tell you he worked harder than anyone I knew while in college, because he had a serious full time job as an athlete on top of being a full time student. It sucked for him. It’s just not the same thing at all and it’s nothing to envy.

You should learn to read too. Everything said there about a full time job, a musical instrument or any other college activity can be just as time consuming as being a single season athlete. It’s not like kids stop doing these things once they get to college.

*if* they are a music admit they are just as much on a different track as an athlete GTFOH

Wrong. Sports admittance has everything to do with game money. There is no money in ballet or music or any other skill. There are no music admits for regular universities, except in very special cases. The professionals go to music-specific colleges, of which Curtis is the best (not Juiliard). Curtis takes 5 students a year, worldwide, and pays their tuition. Guess how competitive you have to be to get in?

The pro-athletes on this board have NO CLUE how hard others work to get where they are. Be careful, because you're just helping give all athletes a bad name.

Of course there are music admits at regular universities!!! And fwiw, the top music program depends a lot on your instrument and what kind of music you want to pursue. But, that aside, there are music admits at all most universities: Michigan, Indiana, Northwestern, NYU, USC even Md and Florida State are excellent music schools within universities. Peabody is in Hopkins - and trust me, they’re admitting on talent at those schools.

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The ignorance about music admits is w i l d. You’d think this admissions-obsessed board would know better.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone have kids who both applied to the same college, and the recruited athlete got in while the non-athlete got rejected...despite similar grades and test scores?

Applications are more than grade and test scores. It is course rigor (which you didn't mention anything about), essays, letters of reference, and extra-curricula activities.

The two kids are "not the same" other than athletic recruiting or not.

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Anonymous wrote:Athletes are not in the same track. But there is no reason for envy. They have to work incredibly hard while also being full time students. It’s a different educational experience along with a different admissions standard.

So tired of the elitist attitude of athletes and parents. Kids who hold full time jobs, practice an instrument or perform have very challenging and demanding schedules. Athletes aren’t the only ones working hard.

Read what I said. They are getting a different educational experience. As in, after they get in. They aren’t getting all the perks and opportunities of non athlete kids.

And I am not an athlete or an athlete parent. My ex boyfriend, who I despise now, was a D1 athlete. As terrible a person and boyfriend as he was, I can tell you he worked harder than anyone I knew while in college, because he had a serious full time job as an athlete on top of being a full time student. It sucked for him. It’s just not the same thing at all and it’s nothing to envy.

NP. Parent of athlete and musicians. Kids have worked at different periods of time. Being a school athlete is, by far, the most difficult and time consuming.

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Anonymous wrote:Athletes are not in the same track. But there is no reason for envy. They have to work incredibly hard while also being full time students. It’s a different educational experience along with a different admissions standard.

So tired of the elitist attitude of athletes and parents. Kids who hold full time jobs, practice an instrument or perform have very challenging and demanding schedules. Athletes aren’t the only ones working hard.

So tired of losers and haters who never got over their kid being cut from the middle school travel team. Stay mad, music nerds.

exactly - nerds are the worst. totally a bunch of losers and haters. my kids were in the top 5000 for their sport nationally, so they totally deserved admittance to a top 10 school.

The world's most famous Cellist Yo Yo Ma probably makes 3M/year and that number is very generous. Meanwhile Bryce Harper makes 30M+/year playing baseball. Therefore, it is absurd to compare a kid with music talent on the same level as a D1 recruited athlete.

this is unassailable logic. Athletes rule, you nerds!

+1. Lol. I was trying to find a way of pointing out its illogic but you said it for me, and better![/quote

NP. Gotta love the parents whose kids don’t play sports but they’ve got all the inside knowledge.

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Who cares whether both kids had the exact metrics? What makes any logical thinking person think that if one kid is accepted so should the other?

There are finite seats on some colleges you know? As an American have you ever heard the concept of supply and demand? Think of it this way, the kid that got in was lucky!