Long term sub not teaching much

[Anonymous]

Has anyone calculated the hourly rate for a new FCPS teacher? (by contract hours, not all the unpaid time I know a new teacher spends) I wonder how that compares to long term sub pay.

Obviously benefits and paid time off would be a difference- unless long term subs rate sick days and/or personal days?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Has anyone calculated the hourly rate for a new FCPS teacher? (by contract hours, not all the unpaid time I know a new teacher spends) I wonder how that compares to long term sub pay.

Obviously benefits and paid time off would be a difference- unless long term subs rate sick days and/or personal days?

It’s about $36.45 for a first year teacher with a BA/BS degree, which isn’t required to substitute.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Has anyone calculated the hourly rate for a new FCPS teacher? (by contract hours, not all the unpaid time I know a new teacher spends) I wonder how that compares to long term sub pay.

Obviously benefits and paid time off would be a difference- unless long term subs rate sick days and/or personal days?

It’s about $36.45 for a first year teacher with a BA/BS degree, which isn’t required to substitute.

That's actually a bigger difference than I thought it might be. Not even a good deal for retired teachers to long term sub.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe speak to the grade level administrator— to ask if LT subs are provided with lesson plans, and how the school provides support to the students and to the sub when / if the lesson plans run out.

It's a subject where each year builds on previous. I would do this, but am afraid it might come across wrong. I would want it to be a way to get more support for the sub, but could backfire. If I knew the admin well I'd say something, but some admins instantly turn on the teacher and it is a nice person who the kids like and there is some teaching going on.

Ok. Then would it make sense to speak directly with the sub and ask what sort of support from parents might be helpful — and might not be?

My thought is that it’s possible that there are other teachers who could share lesson plans, lesson plans from a previous year, or some way to get a bit of help for the teacher — and that a parent with suggestions might get more attention than a sub. I appreciate your concerns though, and take them very seriously.

I only know elementary school teachers personally, but one I know well has a long term sub on her team, and yes, the full time teachers basically share lesson plans at the beginning. But at a certain point, the long term sub needs to respond to his/her own classroom.

Seeing the pay (which is actually a little more than I thought), I would consider taking long term sub jobs in my field (the arts) after I retire from my actual profession. I won't need benefits, and for a subject I know well, I think it might be fun to do.

People who think teaching will be “something fun to do“ when they’re done with their “actual“ professions, have no idea what they’re talking about.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We have a good long term sub right now, in upper elementary school. She’s trying very hard to keep the kids up to speed—very thankful for her even though it’s not the same as having our regular teacher. She is on the career switcher track, so not planning to be a sub forever. Hope this semester doesn’t scare her off!

Are the kids respectful of her? The last time I subbed, the kids - barring about six of them - were awful. The boys were fighting/wrestling on the floor and/or running around the room. The girls were constantly talking. A couple of kids in particular absolutely refused to listen to direction or anything at all I asked them to do. I'm not a yeller but I found myself yelling all day, just to be heard. It was absolutely miserable. Lower elementary.

That sounds like some of my ES classes over the past few years and I'm a veteran teacher.

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Well, no wonder so many teachers are leaving. No one should have to put up with that behavior.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe speak to the grade level administrator— to ask if LT subs are provided with lesson plans, and how the school provides support to the students and to the sub when / if the lesson plans run out.

It's a subject where each year builds on previous. I would do this, but am afraid it might come across wrong. I would want it to be a way to get more support for the sub, but could backfire. If I knew the admin well I'd say something, but some admins instantly turn on the teacher and it is a nice person who the kids like and there is some teaching going on.

Ok. Then would it make sense to speak directly with the sub and ask what sort of support from parents might be helpful — and might not be?

My thought is that it’s possible that there are other teachers who could share lesson plans, lesson plans from a previous year, or some way to get a bit of help for the teacher — and that a parent with suggestions might get more attention than a sub. I appreciate your concerns though, and take them very seriously.

I only know elementary school teachers personally, but one I know well has a long term sub on her team, and yes, the full time teachers basically share lesson plans at the beginning. But at a certain point, the long term sub needs to respond to his/her own classroom.

Seeing the pay (which is actually a little more than I thought), I would consider taking long term sub jobs in my field (the arts) after I retire from my actual profession. I won't need benefits, and for a subject I know well, I think it might be fun to do.

People who think teaching will be “something fun to do“ when they’re done with their “actual“ professions, have no idea what they’re talking about.

Our school's two most reliable subs are both dads who got out after putting in their 20. One is planning on getting certification, but the other is just enjoying semi-retirement

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe speak to the grade level administrator— to ask if LT subs are provided with lesson plans, and how the school provides support to the students and to the sub when / if the lesson plans run out.

It's a subject where each year builds on previous. I would do this, but am afraid it might come across wrong. I would want it to be a way to get more support for the sub, but could backfire. If I knew the admin well I'd say something, but some admins instantly turn on the teacher and it is a nice person who the kids like and there is some teaching going on.

Ok. Then would it make sense to speak directly with the sub and ask what sort of support from parents might be helpful — and might not be?

My thought is that it’s possible that there are other teachers who could share lesson plans, lesson plans from a previous year, or some way to get a bit of help for the teacher — and that a parent with suggestions might get more attention than a sub. I appreciate your concerns though, and take them very seriously.

I only know elementary school teachers personally, but one I know well has a long term sub on her team, and yes, the full time teachers basically share lesson plans at the beginning. But at a certain point, the long term sub needs to respond to his/her own classroom.

Seeing the pay (which is actually a little more than I thought), I would consider taking long term sub jobs in my field (the arts) after I retire from my actual profession. I won't need benefits, and for a subject I know well, I think it might be fun to do.

People who think teaching will be “something fun to do“ when they’re done with their “actual“ professions, have no idea what they’re talking about.

Our school's two most reliable subs are both dads who got out after putting in their 20. One is planning on getting certification, but the other is just enjoying semi-retirement

Got out if where? The military?

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe speak to the grade level administrator— to ask if LT subs are provided with lesson plans, and how the school provides support to the students and to the sub when / if the lesson plans run out.

It's a subject where each year builds on previous. I would do this, but am afraid it might come across wrong. I would want it to be a way to get more support for the sub, but could backfire. If I knew the admin well I'd say something, but some admins instantly turn on the teacher and it is a nice person who the kids like and there is some teaching going on.

Ok. Then would it make sense to speak directly with the sub and ask what sort of support from parents might be helpful — and might not be?

My thought is that it’s possible that there are other teachers who could share lesson plans, lesson plans from a previous year, or some way to get a bit of help for the teacher — and that a parent with suggestions might get more attention than a sub. I appreciate your concerns though, and take them very seriously.

I only know elementary school teachers personally, but one I know well has a long term sub on her team, and yes, the full time teachers basically share lesson plans at the beginning. But at a certain point, the long term sub needs to respond to his/her own classroom.

Seeing the pay (which is actually a little more than I thought), I would consider taking long term sub jobs in my field (the arts) after I retire from my actual profession. I won't need benefits, and for a subject I know well, I think it might be fun to do.

People who think teaching will be “something fun to do“ when they’re done with their “actual“ professions, have no idea what they’re talking about.

Our school's two most reliable subs are both dads who got out after putting in their 20. One is planning on getting certification, but the other is just enjoying semi-retirement

I'm a PP and this is me. And I do think it sounds fun to sub when I have a pension and health care. I'm sure I can get enough work at one or two schools where I'd get to know the kids without the responsibility of actually teaching/planning and can also have maximum flexibility.

[Anonymous]

This happened when I went out on maternity leave. The sub certainly seemed eager to take my 12AP Literature classes but he turned out to be a total dud. He expected me to answer all my work emails and create all the lesson plans while I was out on maternity leave. I was like, sorry dude, that's not what maternity leave is, good luck bye.

Unfortunately it was my first year teaching 12th grade. If it had been 10th grade honors he could have followed all my lesson plans from prior years. I did give him as much guidance as I could.

So the students never read a book or wrote a paper while I was out. They would just ask him questions about himself to get him talking the class away.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe speak to the grade level administrator— to ask if LT subs are provided with lesson plans, and how the school provides support to the students and to the sub when / if the lesson plans run out.

It's a subject where each year builds on previous. I would do this, but am afraid it might come across wrong. I would want it to be a way to get more support for the sub, but could backfire. If I knew the admin well I'd say something, but some admins instantly turn on the teacher and it is a nice person who the kids like and there is some teaching going on.

Ok. Then would it make sense to speak directly with the sub and ask what sort of support from parents might be helpful — and might not be?

My thought is that it’s possible that there are other teachers who could share lesson plans, lesson plans from a previous year, or some way to get a bit of help for the teacher — and that a parent with suggestions might get more attention than a sub. I appreciate your concerns though, and take them very seriously.

I only know elementary school teachers personally, but one I know well has a long term sub on her team, and yes, the full time teachers basically share lesson plans at the beginning. But at a certain point, the long term sub needs to respond to his/her own classroom.

Seeing the pay (which is actually a little more than I thought), I would consider taking long term sub jobs in my field (the arts) after I retire from my actual profession. I won't need benefits, and for a subject I know well, I think it might be fun to do.

People who think teaching will be “something fun to do“ when they’re done with their “actual“ professions, have no idea what they’re talking about.

Our school's two most reliable subs are both dads who got out after putting in their 20. One is planning on getting certification, but the other is just enjoying semi-retirement

I'm a PP and this is me. And I do think it sounds fun to sub when I have a pension and health care. I'm sure I can get enough work at one or two schools where I'd get to know the kids without the responsibility of actually teaching/planning and can also have maximum flexibility.

Cool, see you in a few years!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Maybe speak to the grade level administrator— to ask if LT subs are provided with lesson plans, and how the school provides support to the students and to the sub when / if the lesson plans run out.

It's a subject where each year builds on previous. I would do this, but am afraid it might come across wrong. I would want it to be a way to get more support for the sub, but could backfire. If I knew the admin well I'd say something, but some admins instantly turn on the teacher and it is a nice person who the kids like and there is some teaching going on.

Ok. Then would it make sense to speak directly with the sub and ask what sort of support from parents might be helpful — and might not be?

My thought is that it’s possible that there are other teachers who could share lesson plans, lesson plans from a previous year, or some way to get a bit of help for the teacher — and that a parent with suggestions might get more attention than a sub. I appreciate your concerns though, and take them very seriously.

I only know elementary school teachers personally, but one I know well has a long term sub on her team, and yes, the full time teachers basically share lesson plans at the beginning. But at a certain point, the long term sub needs to respond to his/her own classroom.

Seeing the pay (which is actually a little more than I thought), I would consider taking long term sub jobs in my field (the arts) after I retire from my actual profession. I won't need benefits, and for a subject I know well, I think it might be fun to do.

People who think teaching will be “something fun to do“ when they’re done with their “actual“ professions, have no idea what they’re talking about.

Our school's two most reliable subs are both dads who got out after putting in their 20. One is planning on getting certification, but the other is just enjoying semi-retirement

Got out if where? The military?

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Same question.

[Anonymous]

This happened when I went out on maternity leave. The sub certainly seemed eager to take my 12AP Literature classes but he turned out to be a total dud. He expected me to answer all my work emails and create all the lesson plans while I was out on maternity leave. I was like, sorry dude, that's not what maternity leave is, good luck bye.

Yep. If a teacher is out on unpaid sick/masternity leave, it should shock absolutely no one that they are not spending ten hours a week or more answering emails and putting plans together for the sub who is getting paid.

There's usually an overlap day or two where the sub shadows the teacher and learns the basics of what they need to do, who to contact for support, logins, etc. But then the sub is supposed to be teaching on their own--that is what differentiates a long-term position from a daily position. The long-term sub is expected to do everything the teacher does (while not getting paid commensurately, unfortunately). Every teacher I know who has gone out on leave left detailed plans for the first week or two and an outline of what needs to be covered the next few. It's impossible to leave detailed plans, especially at the elementary level, because they depend on how students are doing with their current work.

If subs were paid more, you'd have a better pool of applicants. Every experienced teacher will attest to the degrading quality of subs compared to ten or twenty years ago when they were paid better, especially long-term positions.

[Anonymous]

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This happened when I went out on maternity leave. The sub certainly seemed eager to take my 12AP Literature classes but he turned out to be a total dud. He expected me to answer all my work emails and create all the lesson plans while I was out on maternity leave. I was like, sorry dude, that's not what maternity leave is, good luck bye.

Yep. If a teacher is out on unpaid sick/masternity leave, it should shock absolutely no one that they are not spending ten hours a week or more answering emails and putting plans together for the sub who is getting paid.

There's usually an overlap day or two where the sub shadows the teacher and learns the basics of what they need to do, who to contact for support, logins, etc. But then the sub is supposed to be teaching on their own--that is what differentiates a long-term position from a daily position. The long-term sub is expected to do everything the teacher does (while not getting paid commensurately, unfortunately). Every teacher I know who has gone out on leave left detailed plans for the first week or two and an outline of what needs to be covered the next few. It's impossible to leave detailed plans, especially at the elementary level, because they depend on how students are doing with their current work.

If subs were paid more, you'd have a better pool of applicants. Every experienced teacher will attest to the degrading quality of subs compared to ten or twenty years ago when they were paid better, especially long-term positions.

I work with a teach who just had a baby. She left 4 weeks of sub plans and will be out 12. There’s a big gap there, but leaving 4 weeks is a significant amount.

[Anonymous]

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This happened when I went out on maternity leave. The sub certainly seemed eager to take my 12AP Literature classes but he turned out to be a total dud. He expected me to answer all my work emails and create all the lesson plans while I was out on maternity leave. I was like, sorry dude, that's not what maternity leave is, good luck bye.

Yep. If a teacher is out on unpaid sick/masternity leave, it should shock absolutely no one that they are not spending ten hours a week or more answering emails and putting plans together for the sub who is getting paid.

There's usually an overlap day or two where the sub shadows the teacher and learns the basics of what they need to do, who to contact for support, logins, etc. But then the sub is supposed to be teaching on their own--that is what differentiates a long-term position from a daily position. The long-term sub is expected to do everything the teacher does (while not getting paid commensurately, unfortunately). Every teacher I know who has gone out on leave left detailed plans for the first week or two and an outline of what needs to be covered the next few. It's impossible to leave detailed plans, especially at the elementary level, because they depend on how students are doing with their current work.

If subs were paid more, you'd have a better pool of applicants. Every experienced teacher will attest to the degrading quality of subs compared to ten or twenty years ago when they were paid better, especially long-term positions.

I'm a sub and this is why I will never, ever apply for a long-term position. They simply don't pay subs enough to do the work of an actual teacher.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am a former fcps teacher. I would never long term sub as it is not worth it it. Long term subs today are warm bodies who are incapable of teaching. Fcps gets what they pay for!

Funny, I would totally prefer being a long-term sub to an actual teacher because I could actually focus on teaching, without dealing with all of the BS trainings and paperwork. Lower pay, but more control!