DMV drivers becoming even ruder than they were before

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Anonymous wrote:OP, I agree. I tend to drive about 5 miles over the speed limit on windy two-lane roads where there is no passing (like the ones through Clifton). I can't tell you the number of times some jackass in a black pickup truck has tailgated me for miles and then flipped me off when he finally passed. I pull over to let faster drivers go by where I can but that is not always possible. And it's not like I am driving under the speed limit.

On the Beltway, I tend to go about 70-75 without traffic and stay in the right lanes. Same exact dynamic, and it is always, always, always some angry white dude. I'm a nondescript, mom-aged white woman driving a nondescript (not fancy) gray SUV with no bumper stickers, so it's not like there is something racial or political going on.

But it's not just here. I was in Wilmington, Delaware with kids in the back of my car and had a guy in a huge work truck tailgate me and then hang out the window to flip me off and yell "f- you" at me. This was on a multilane road in the middle of the day, so he easily could have passed me. He just wanted to intimidate me.

So much anger out there.

Intimidation is a good word …

Agree there does not seem to be a race or ethnicity thing but misogynist venting .., All the aggressive drivers who went overboard with cussing me out and hand gestures were males of different ages and ethnicities - aggressive young Latino men, middle aged white dudes, older Middle eastern guy, and more. To be fair, Black drivers may have driven aggressively around me and played super loud music that thunders at stop lights but that demo has never cussed me out or given me the drunken sailor’s royal salute.

I wonder whether DMV drivers should be required to pass a basic road civility test?

Right AFTER we require a basic road driving test that looks at real-world scenarios, like merging/existing off the highway, staying in the right lane except when passing, paying attention to the cars around you, etc.

Once we get that taken care of then we can worry about "civility".

They are not mutually exclusive

Driving proficiently >>>>> civility

False dichotomy ..,,

Civility contributes enormously to safer driving - not taking ridiculous risks to get one car ahead/ minimizing tail gating and road rage/ maintaining safe spaces between self and others on road/ allowing two lanes to merge in order/ yielding where required etc.

Courtesy requires paying attention to others on road and maintaining basic courtesy requires greater awareness of, and respect for, other drivers.

Maintaining safe distances behind other cars is both courteous and safer, especially
On wet roads.

BS.

You driving like crap is going to cause an accident. Not someone giving you the middle finger because you’re driving like crap.

The root issue is the bad driving. Not the middle finger.

Reminds me of the thread about north/south. Southerners are polite but not kind. Northerners are not polite but kind. In the end, politeness doesn’t matter, kindness does. Similarly, middle fingers don’t matter, competent driving does.

If multiple people are cursing at you or giving you the middle finger, YOU are the problem. Learn how to drive before you cause an accident.

This isn’t necessarily true. I keep to the right, go somewhat above the speed limit where possible and don’t tailgate. I still get people swerving in and out, riding up on my bumper, cutting in front of me by a hairsbreadth and otherwise pretending they’re starting in “Gone in 60 Seconds” in the middle of rush hour. People like that seem to resent sharing the road with anyone, except perhaps as an audience for their self-perceived “skill.”

The PP was specifically talking about people who take the time to (a) curse at her and/or (b) give her the middle finger. That's not typical.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, I agree. I tend to drive about 5 miles over the speed limit on windy two-lane roads where there is no passing (like the ones through Clifton). I can't tell you the number of times some jackass in a black pickup truck has tailgated me for miles and then flipped me off when he finally passed. I pull over to let faster drivers go by where I can but that is not always possible. And it's not like I am driving under the speed limit.

On the Beltway, I tend to go about 70-75 without traffic and stay in the right lanes. Same exact dynamic, and it is always, always, always some angry white dude. I'm a nondescript, mom-aged white woman driving a nondescript (not fancy) gray SUV with no bumper stickers, so it's not like there is something racial or political going on.

But it's not just here. I was in Wilmington, Delaware with kids in the back of my car and had a guy in a huge work truck tailgate me and then hang out the window to flip me off and yell "f- you" at me. This was on a multilane road in the middle of the day, so he easily could have passed me. He just wanted to intimidate me.

So much anger out there.

Intimidation is a good word …

Agree there does not seem to be a race or ethnicity thing but misogynist venting .., All the aggressive drivers who went overboard with cussing me out and hand gestures were males of different ages and ethnicities - aggressive young Latino men, middle aged white dudes, older Middle eastern guy, and more. To be fair, Black drivers may have driven aggressively around me and played super loud music that thunders at stop lights but that demo has never cussed me out or given me the drunken sailor’s royal salute.

I wonder whether DMV drivers should be required to pass a basic road civility test?

Right AFTER we require a basic road driving test that looks at real-world scenarios, like merging/existing off the highway, staying in the right lane except when passing, paying attention to the cars around you, etc.

Once we get that taken care of then we can worry about "civility".

They are not mutually exclusive

Driving proficiently >>>>> civility

False dichotomy ..,,

Civility contributes enormously to safer driving - not taking ridiculous risks to get one car ahead/ minimizing tail gating and road rage/ maintaining safe spaces between self and others on road/ allowing two lanes to merge in order/ yielding where required etc.

Courtesy requires paying attention to others on road and maintaining basic courtesy requires greater awareness of, and respect for, other drivers.

Maintaining safe distances behind other cars is both courteous and safer, especially
On wet roads.

BS.

You driving like crap is going to cause an accident. Not someone giving you the middle finger because you’re driving like crap.

The root issue is the bad driving. Not the middle finger.

Reminds me of the thread about north/south. Southerners are polite but not kind. Northerners are not polite but kind. In the end, politeness doesn’t matter, kindness does. Similarly, middle fingers don’t matter, competent driving does.

If multiple people are cursing at you or giving you the middle finger, YOU are the problem. Learn how to drive before you cause an accident.

This isn’t necessarily true. I keep to the right, go somewhat above the speed limit where possible and don’t tailgate. I still get people swerving in and out, riding up on my bumper, cutting in front of me by a hairsbreadth and otherwise pretending they’re starting in “Gone in 60 Seconds” in the middle of rush hour. People like that seem to resent sharing the road with anyone, except perhaps as an audience for their self-perceived “skill.”

The PP was specifically talking about people who take the time to (a) curse at her and/or (b) give her the middle finger. That's not typical.

Huh? Many friends say they experience this all the time on DMV roads … several PPs indicated as much here as well.

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Anonymous wrote:I was almost run into by an old guy in a small white SUV on his way to the Farmers Market in Cherrydale yesterday. This jerk was speeding at 9:30 AM on residential two way street that had cars parked on both sides of the road. The guy whips around the corner and comes flying up the street and decides he is going to take up the whole road. I honk as I am already driving on the right side of the road and there is a car parked next to me, as well as across from me, so I can't move over any farther over - he ignores me and proceeds up the street without slowing down. He then turns into an exit of the parking lot just to get to the Farmer's Market .

Grade A entitled jerk who needs to learn ROAD MANNERS.

Nuts …

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OP if it’s a road with just one lane in either direction and you’re driving slow enough to get cars lined up behind you, you should pull over and let them pass. It’s considerate and safer.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, I agree. I tend to drive about 5 miles over the speed limit on windy two-lane roads where there is no passing (like the ones through Clifton). I can't tell you the number of times some jackass in a black pickup truck has tailgated me for miles and then flipped me off when he finally passed. I pull over to let faster drivers go by where I can but that is not always possible. And it's not like I am driving under the speed limit.

On the Beltway, I tend to go about 70-75 without traffic and stay in the right lanes. Same exact dynamic, and it is always, always, always some angry white dude. I'm a nondescript, mom-aged white woman driving a nondescript (not fancy) gray SUV with no bumper stickers, so it's not like there is something racial or political going on.

But it's not just here. I was in Wilmington, Delaware with kids in the back of my car and had a guy in a huge work truck tailgate me and then hang out the window to flip me off and yell "f- you" at me. This was on a multilane road in the middle of the day, so he easily could have passed me. He just wanted to intimidate me.

So much anger out there.

Intimidation is a good word …

Agree there does not seem to be a race or ethnicity thing but misogynist venting .., All the aggressive drivers who went overboard with cussing me out and hand gestures were males of different ages and ethnicities - aggressive young Latino men, middle aged white dudes, older Middle eastern guy, and more. To be fair, Black drivers may have driven aggressively around me and played super loud music that thunders at stop lights but that demo has never cussed me out or given me the drunken sailor’s royal salute.

I wonder whether DMV drivers should be required to pass a basic road civility test?

Right AFTER we require a basic road driving test that looks at real-world scenarios, like merging/existing off the highway, staying in the right lane except when passing, paying attention to the cars around you, etc.

Once we get that taken care of then we can worry about "civility".

They are not mutually exclusive

Driving proficiently >>>>> civility

False dichotomy ..,,

Civility contributes enormously to safer driving - not taking ridiculous risks to get one car ahead/ minimizing tail gating and road rage/ maintaining safe spaces between self and others on road/ allowing two lanes to merge in order/ yielding where required etc.

Courtesy requires paying attention to others on road and maintaining basic courtesy requires greater awareness of, and respect for, other drivers.

Maintaining safe distances behind other cars is both courteous and safer, especially
On wet roads.

BS.

You driving like crap is going to cause an accident. Not someone giving you the middle finger because you’re driving like crap.

The root issue is the bad driving. Not the middle finger.

Reminds me of the thread about north/south. Southerners are polite but not kind. Northerners are not polite but kind. In the end, politeness doesn’t matter, kindness does. Similarly, middle fingers don’t matter, competent driving does.

If multiple people are cursing at you or giving you the middle finger, YOU are the problem. Learn how to drive before you cause an accident.

Oh right that must be why I am often solicited for insurance discounts due to my excellent driving record …

Good manners absolutely improve driving behavior and reduce unnecessary risky behaviors …

LOL. You think they don’t try to push those “discounts” on everyone?

Again, if multiple people are cursing at you or giving you the finger, you are the issue. Instead of worrying about “good manners”, focus on driving better.

Not multiple people, multiple men and only over last year or two. My point is this aggressive foul mouthed behavior has become much more frequent over past year or two. I never experi need it before then. My driving has not changed.

Various PPs reported similar responses from angry male drivers tail gating on suburban no pass roads …

You’re seriously siding with dudes who tail gate, park illegally, block traffic, and drive on the wrong side of road in busy parking lots then stare down women drivers, expecting them to reverse course to accommodate their sloppy aggressive driving?

Why are you so angry and defending aggressive driving and poor manners?



We are all stressed. It is not OK for male drivers to vent their frustrations on female drivers who are following the rules of the road.

Tailgating and speeding through residential neighborhoods is dangerous. Someone giving you the finger or cursing at you is NOT dangerous.

Whatever you are doing to provoke that is also dangerous. It's not normal to have several people curse at you or give you the finger within a year or two. Fix your driving instead of complaining about civility.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, I agree. I tend to drive about 5 miles over the speed limit on windy two-lane roads where there is no passing (like the ones through Clifton). I can't tell you the number of times some jackass in a black pickup truck has tailgated me for miles and then flipped me off when he finally passed. I pull over to let faster drivers go by where I can but that is not always possible. And it's not like I am driving under the speed limit.

On the Beltway, I tend to go about 70-75 without traffic and stay in the right lanes. Same exact dynamic, and it is always, always, always some angry white dude. I'm a nondescript, mom-aged white woman driving a nondescript (not fancy) gray SUV with no bumper stickers, so it's not like there is something racial or political going on.

But it's not just here. I was in Wilmington, Delaware with kids in the back of my car and had a guy in a huge work truck tailgate me and then hang out the window to flip me off and yell "f- you" at me. This was on a multilane road in the middle of the day, so he easily could have passed me. He just wanted to intimidate me.

So much anger out there.

Intimidation is a good word …

Agree there does not seem to be a race or ethnicity thing but misogynist venting .., All the aggressive drivers who went overboard with cussing me out and hand gestures were males of different ages and ethnicities - aggressive young Latino men, middle aged white dudes, older Middle eastern guy, and more. To be fair, Black drivers may have driven aggressively around me and played super loud music that thunders at stop lights but that demo has never cussed me out or given me the drunken sailor’s royal salute.

I wonder whether DMV drivers should be required to pass a basic road civility test?

Right AFTER we require a basic road driving test that looks at real-world scenarios, like merging/existing off the highway, staying in the right lane except when passing, paying attention to the cars around you, etc.

Once we get that taken care of then we can worry about "civility".

They are not mutually exclusive

Driving proficiently >>>>> civility

False dichotomy ..,,

Civility contributes enormously to safer driving - not taking ridiculous risks to get one car ahead/ minimizing tail gating and road rage/ maintaining safe spaces between self and others on road/ allowing two lanes to merge in order/ yielding where required etc.

Courtesy requires paying attention to others on road and maintaining basic courtesy requires greater awareness of, and respect for, other drivers.

Maintaining safe distances behind other cars is both courteous and safer, especially
On wet roads.

BS.

You driving like crap is going to cause an accident. Not someone giving you the middle finger because you’re driving like crap.

The root issue is the bad driving. Not the middle finger.

Reminds me of the thread about north/south. Southerners are polite but not kind. Northerners are not polite but kind. In the end, politeness doesn’t matter, kindness does. Similarly, middle fingers don’t matter, competent driving does.

If multiple people are cursing at you or giving you the middle finger, YOU are the problem. Learn how to drive before you cause an accident.

This isn’t necessarily true. I keep to the right, go somewhat above the speed limit where possible and don’t tailgate. I still get people swerving in and out, riding up on my bumper, cutting in front of me by a hairsbreadth and otherwise pretending they’re starting in “Gone in 60 Seconds” in the middle of rush hour. People like that seem to resent sharing the road with anyone, except perhaps as an audience for their self-perceived “skill.”

The PP was specifically talking about people who take the time to (a) curse at her and/or (b) give her the middle finger. That's not typical.

Huh? Many friends say they experience this all the time on DMV roads … several PPs indicated as much here as well.

Honking, sure. Occasional middle finder, OK. But someone slowing down or stopping to CURSE at you? Multiple times? Not normal.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, I agree. I tend to drive about 5 miles over the speed limit on windy two-lane roads where there is no passing (like the ones through Clifton). I can't tell you the number of times some jackass in a black pickup truck has tailgated me for miles and then flipped me off when he finally passed. I pull over to let faster drivers go by where I can but that is not always possible. And it's not like I am driving under the speed limit.

On the Beltway, I tend to go about 70-75 without traffic and stay in the right lanes. Same exact dynamic, and it is always, always, always some angry white dude. I'm a nondescript, mom-aged white woman driving a nondescript (not fancy) gray SUV with no bumper stickers, so it's not like there is something racial or political going on.

But it's not just here. I was in Wilmington, Delaware with kids in the back of my car and had a guy in a huge work truck tailgate me and then hang out the window to flip me off and yell "f- you" at me. This was on a multilane road in the middle of the day, so he easily could have passed me. He just wanted to intimidate me.

So much anger out there.

Intimidation is a good word …

Agree there does not seem to be a race or ethnicity thing but misogynist venting .., All the aggressive drivers who went overboard with cussing me out and hand gestures were males of different ages and ethnicities - aggressive young Latino men, middle aged white dudes, older Middle eastern guy, and more. To be fair, Black drivers may have driven aggressively around me and played super loud music that thunders at stop lights but that demo has never cussed me out or given me the drunken sailor’s royal salute.

I wonder whether DMV drivers should be required to pass a basic road civility test?

Right AFTER we require a basic road driving test that looks at real-world scenarios, like merging/existing off the highway, staying in the right lane except when passing, paying attention to the cars around you, etc.

Once we get that taken care of then we can worry about "civility".

They are not mutually exclusive

Driving proficiently >>>>> civility

False dichotomy ..,,

Civility contributes enormously to safer driving - not taking ridiculous risks to get one car ahead/ minimizing tail gating and road rage/ maintaining safe spaces between self and others on road/ allowing two lanes to merge in order/ yielding where required etc.

Courtesy requires paying attention to others on road and maintaining basic courtesy requires greater awareness of, and respect for, other drivers.

Maintaining safe distances behind other cars is both courteous and safer, especially
On wet roads.

BS.

You driving like crap is going to cause an accident. Not someone giving you the middle finger because you’re driving like crap.

The root issue is the bad driving. Not the middle finger.

Reminds me of the thread about north/south. Southerners are polite but not kind. Northerners are not polite but kind. In the end, politeness doesn’t matter, kindness does. Similarly, middle fingers don’t matter, competent driving does.

If multiple people are cursing at you or giving you the middle finger, YOU are the problem. Learn how to drive before you cause an accident.

This isn’t necessarily true. I keep to the right, go somewhat above the speed limit where possible and don’t tailgate. I still get people swerving in and out, riding up on my bumper, cutting in front of me by a hairsbreadth and otherwise pretending they’re starting in “Gone in 60 Seconds” in the middle of rush hour. People like that seem to resent sharing the road with anyone, except perhaps as an audience for their self-perceived “skill.”

The PP was specifically talking about people who take the time to (a) curse at her and/or (b) give her the middle finger. That's not typical.

Huh? Many friends say they experience this all the time on DMV roads … several PPs indicated as much here as well.

Honking, sure. Occasional middle finder, OK. But someone slowing down or stopping to CURSE at you? Multiple times? Not normal.

The cussing out is when the aggressive male drivers were parked illegally and not wanting to move to let me pass or driving into me in busy parking lots on the wrong side of the road and not wanting to reverse their illegal maneuvers to let me pass … we were at a stand still… if cars are in motion, it is mostly crass gestures … many female friends have described male tailgating drivers slowing down to say f### you and middle finger if they were driving at speed limit on roads where the aggressive drivers could not pass.

If this is the new normal, it not a good new normal.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, I agree. I tend to drive about 5 miles over the speed limit on windy two-lane roads where there is no passing (like the ones through Clifton). I can't tell you the number of times some jackass in a black pickup truck has tailgated me for miles and then flipped me off when he finally passed. I pull over to let faster drivers go by where I can but that is not always possible. And it's not like I am driving under the speed limit.

On the Beltway, I tend to go about 70-75 without traffic and stay in the right lanes. Same exact dynamic, and it is always, always, always some angry white dude. I'm a nondescript, mom-aged white woman driving a nondescript (not fancy) gray SUV with no bumper stickers, so it's not like there is something racial or political going on.

But it's not just here. I was in Wilmington, Delaware with kids in the back of my car and had a guy in a huge work truck tailgate me and then hang out the window to flip me off and yell "f- you" at me. This was on a multilane road in the middle of the day, so he easily could have passed me. He just wanted to intimidate me.

So much anger out there.

Intimidation is a good word …

Agree there does not seem to be a race or ethnicity thing but misogynist venting .., All the aggressive drivers who went overboard with cussing me out and hand gestures were males of different ages and ethnicities - aggressive young Latino men, middle aged white dudes, older Middle eastern guy, and more. To be fair, Black drivers may have driven aggressively around me and played super loud music that thunders at stop lights but that demo has never cussed me out or given me the drunken sailor’s royal salute.

I wonder whether DMV drivers should be required to pass a basic road civility test?

Right AFTER we require a basic road driving test that looks at real-world scenarios, like merging/existing off the highway, staying in the right lane except when passing, paying attention to the cars around you, etc.

Once we get that taken care of then we can worry about "civility".

They are not mutually exclusive

Driving proficiently >>>>> civility

False dichotomy ..,,

Civility contributes enormously to safer driving - not taking ridiculous risks to get one car ahead/ minimizing tail gating and road rage/ maintaining safe spaces between self and others on road/ allowing two lanes to merge in order/ yielding where required etc.

Courtesy requires paying attention to others on road and maintaining basic courtesy requires greater awareness of, and respect for, other drivers.

Maintaining safe distances behind other cars is both courteous and safer, especially
On wet roads.

BS.

You driving like crap is going to cause an accident. Not someone giving you the middle finger because you’re driving like crap.

The root issue is the bad driving. Not the middle finger.

Reminds me of the thread about north/south. Southerners are polite but not kind. Northerners are not polite but kind. In the end, politeness doesn’t matter, kindness does. Similarly, middle fingers don’t matter, competent driving does.

If multiple people are cursing at you or giving you the middle finger, YOU are the problem. Learn how to drive before you cause an accident.

This isn’t necessarily true. I keep to the right, go somewhat above the speed limit where possible and don’t tailgate. I still get people swerving in and out, riding up on my bumper, cutting in front of me by a hairsbreadth and otherwise pretending they’re starting in “Gone in 60 Seconds” in the middle of rush hour. People like that seem to resent sharing the road with anyone, except perhaps as an audience for their self-perceived “skill.”

The PP was specifically talking about people who take the time to (a) curse at her and/or (b) give her the middle finger. That's not typical.

Huh? Many friends say they experience this all the time on DMV roads … several PPs indicated as much here as well.

Honking, sure. Occasional middle finder, OK. But someone slowing down or stopping to CURSE at you? Multiple times? Not normal.

The cussing out is when the aggressive male drivers were parked illegally and not wanting to move to let me pass or driving into me in busy parking lots on the wrong side of the road and not wanting to reverse their illegal maneuvers to let me pass … we were at a stand still… if cars are in motion, it is mostly crass gestures … many female friends have described male tailgating drivers slowing down to say f### you and middle finger if they were driving at speed limit on roads where the aggressive drivers could not pass.

If this is the new normal, it not a good new normal.

They were cursing at you while you were waiting to pass? That doesn't even make sense.

You and your friends should stay out of the left lane - that is not for the speed limit. Or maybe just stay off the highway.

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Anonymous wrote:OP if it’s a road with just one lane in either direction and you’re driving slow enough to get cars lined up behind you, you should pull over and let them pass. It’s considerate and safer.

On the road I am referring to / The traffic is constant and traffic moves along at the speed limit. There are multiple schools on this road and speed cameras. It is not easy to pull over safely as there is no shoulder and rustic yards with hedges and stone borders go right up to the road.

But I am ok with pulling over on other roads where it is possible to safely let aggressive drivers who are not satisfied with going 5 km over the speed limit

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Anonymous wrote:OP, I agree. I tend to drive about 5 miles over the speed limit on windy two-lane roads where there is no passing (like the ones through Clifton). I can't tell you the number of times some jackass in a black pickup truck has tailgated me for miles and then flipped me off when he finally passed. I pull over to let faster drivers go by where I can but that is not always possible. And it's not like I am driving under the speed limit.

On the Beltway, I tend to go about 70-75 without traffic and stay in the right lanes. Same exact dynamic, and it is always, always, always some angry white dude. I'm a nondescript, mom-aged white woman driving a nondescript (not fancy) gray SUV with no bumper stickers, so it's not like there is something racial or political going on.

But it's not just here. I was in Wilmington, Delaware with kids in the back of my car and had a guy in a huge work truck tailgate me and then hang out the window to flip me off and yell "f- you" at me. This was on a multilane road in the middle of the day, so he easily could have passed me. He just wanted to intimidate me.

So much anger out there.

Intimidation is a good word …

Agree there does not seem to be a race or ethnicity thing but misogynist venting .., All the aggressive drivers who went overboard with cussing me out and hand gestures were males of different ages and ethnicities - aggressive young Latino men, middle aged white dudes, older Middle eastern guy, and more. To be fair, Black drivers may have driven aggressively around me and played super loud music that thunders at stop lights but that demo has never cussed me out or given me the drunken sailor’s royal salute.

I wonder whether DMV drivers should be required to pass a basic road civility test?

Right AFTER we require a basic road driving test that looks at real-world scenarios, like merging/existing off the highway, staying in the right lane except when passing, paying attention to the cars around you, etc.

Once we get that taken care of then we can worry about "civility".

They are not mutually exclusive

Driving proficiently >>>>> civility

False dichotomy ..,,

Civility contributes enormously to safer driving - not taking ridiculous risks to get one car ahead/ minimizing tail gating and road rage/ maintaining safe spaces between self and others on road/ allowing two lanes to merge in order/ yielding where required etc.

Courtesy requires paying attention to others on road and maintaining basic courtesy requires greater awareness of, and respect for, other drivers.

Maintaining safe distances behind other cars is both courteous and safer, especially
On wet roads.

BS.

You driving like crap is going to cause an accident. Not someone giving you the middle finger because you’re driving like crap.

The root issue is the bad driving. Not the middle finger.

Reminds me of the thread about north/south. Southerners are polite but not kind. Northerners are not polite but kind. In the end, politeness doesn’t matter, kindness does. Similarly, middle fingers don’t matter, competent driving does.

If multiple people are cursing at you or giving you the middle finger, YOU are the problem. Learn how to drive before you cause an accident.

This isn’t necessarily true. I keep to the right, go somewhat above the speed limit where possible and don’t tailgate. I still get people swerving in and out, riding up on my bumper, cutting in front of me by a hairsbreadth and otherwise pretending they’re starting in “Gone in 60 Seconds” in the middle of rush hour. People like that seem to resent sharing the road with anyone, except perhaps as an audience for their self-perceived “skill.”

The PP was specifically talking about people who take the time to (a) curse at her and/or (b) give her the middle finger. That's not typical.

Huh? Many friends say they experience this all the time on DMV roads … several PPs indicated as much here as well.

Honking, sure. Occasional middle finder, OK. But someone slowing down or stopping to CURSE at you? Multiple times? Not normal.

The cussing out is when the aggressive male drivers were parked illegally and not wanting to move to let me pass or driving into me in busy parking lots on the wrong side of the road and not wanting to reverse their illegal maneuvers to let me pass … we were at a stand still… if cars are in motion, it is mostly crass gestures … many female friends have described male tailgating drivers slowing down to say f### you and middle finger if they were driving at speed limit on roads where the aggressive drivers could not pass.

If this is the new normal, it not a good new normal.

They were cursing at you while you were waiting to pass? That doesn't even make sense.

You and your friends should stay out of the left lane - that is not for the speed limit. Or maybe just stay off the highway.

Sorry reading comprehension is so difficult for you

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Anonymous wrote:OP, I agree. I tend to drive about 5 miles over the speed limit on windy two-lane roads where there is no passing (like the ones through Clifton). I can't tell you the number of times some jackass in a black pickup truck has tailgated me for miles and then flipped me off when he finally passed. I pull over to let faster drivers go by where I can but that is not always possible. And it's not like I am driving under the speed limit.

On the Beltway, I tend to go about 70-75 without traffic and stay in the right lanes. Same exact dynamic, and it is always, always, always some angry white dude. I'm a nondescript, mom-aged white woman driving a nondescript (not fancy) gray SUV with no bumper stickers, so it's not like there is something racial or political going on.

But it's not just here. I was in Wilmington, Delaware with kids in the back of my car and had a guy in a huge work truck tailgate me and then hang out the window to flip me off and yell "f- you" at me. This was on a multilane road in the middle of the day, so he easily could have passed me. He just wanted to intimidate me.

So much anger out there.

Intimidation is a good word …

Agree there does not seem to be a race or ethnicity thing but misogynist venting .., All the aggressive drivers who went overboard with cussing me out and hand gestures were males of different ages and ethnicities - aggressive young Latino men, middle aged white dudes, older Middle eastern guy, and more. To be fair, Black drivers may have driven aggressively around me and played super loud music that thunders at stop lights but that demo has never cussed me out or given me the drunken sailor’s royal salute.

I wonder whether DMV drivers should be required to pass a basic road civility test?

Right AFTER we require a basic road driving test that looks at real-world scenarios, like merging/existing off the highway, staying in the right lane except when passing, paying attention to the cars around you, etc.

Once we get that taken care of then we can worry about "civility".

They are not mutually exclusive

Driving proficiently >>>>> civility

False dichotomy ..,,

Civility contributes enormously to safer driving - not taking ridiculous risks to get one car ahead/ minimizing tail gating and road rage/ maintaining safe spaces between self and others on road/ allowing two lanes to merge in order/ yielding where required etc.

Courtesy requires paying attention to others on road and maintaining basic courtesy requires greater awareness of, and respect for, other drivers.

Maintaining safe distances behind other cars is both courteous and safer, especially
On wet roads.

BS.

You driving like crap is going to cause an accident. Not someone giving you the middle finger because you’re driving like crap.

The root issue is the bad driving. Not the middle finger.

Reminds me of the thread about north/south. Southerners are polite but not kind. Northerners are not polite but kind. In the end, politeness doesn’t matter, kindness does. Similarly, middle fingers don’t matter, competent driving does.

If multiple people are cursing at you or giving you the middle finger, YOU are the problem. Learn how to drive before you cause an accident.

This isn’t necessarily true. I keep to the right, go somewhat above the speed limit where possible and don’t tailgate. I still get people swerving in and out, riding up on my bumper, cutting in front of me by a hairsbreadth and otherwise pretending they’re starting in “Gone in 60 Seconds” in the middle of rush hour. People like that seem to resent sharing the road with anyone, except perhaps as an audience for their self-perceived “skill.”

The PP was specifically talking about people who take the time to (a) curse at her and/or (b) give her the middle finger. That's not typical.

Huh? Many friends say they experience this all the time on DMV roads … several PPs indicated as much here as well.

Honking, sure. Occasional middle finder, OK. But someone slowing down or stopping to CURSE at you? Multiple times? Not normal.

The cussing out is when the aggressive male drivers were parked illegally and not wanting to move to let me pass or driving into me in busy parking lots on the wrong side of the road and not wanting to reverse their illegal maneuvers to let me pass … we were at a stand still… if cars are in motion, it is mostly crass gestures … many female friends have described male tailgating drivers slowing down to say f### you and middle finger if they were driving at speed limit on roads where the aggressive drivers could not pass.

If this is the new normal, it not a good new normal.

They were cursing at you while you were waiting to pass? That doesn't even make sense.

You and your friends should stay out of the left lane - that is not for the speed limit. Or maybe just stay off the highway.

There are really good tutors available in the DMV for improving reading comprehension. I recommend you refrain from posting on DCUM fast lanes until you learn how to read and comprehend properly.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, I agree. I tend to drive about 5 miles over the speed limit on windy two-lane roads where there is no passing (like the ones through Clifton). I can't tell you the number of times some jackass in a black pickup truck has tailgated me for miles and then flipped me off when he finally passed. I pull over to let faster drivers go by where I can but that is not always possible. And it's not like I am driving under the speed limit.

On the Beltway, I tend to go about 70-75 without traffic and stay in the right lanes. Same exact dynamic, and it is always, always, always some angry white dude. I'm a nondescript, mom-aged white woman driving a nondescript (not fancy) gray SUV with no bumper stickers, so it's not like there is something racial or political going on.

But it's not just here. I was in Wilmington, Delaware with kids in the back of my car and had a guy in a huge work truck tailgate me and then hang out the window to flip me off and yell "f- you" at me. This was on a multilane road in the middle of the day, so he easily could have passed me. He just wanted to intimidate me.

So much anger out there.

Intimidation is a good word …

Agree there does not seem to be a race or ethnicity thing but misogynist venting .., All the aggressive drivers who went overboard with cussing me out and hand gestures were males of different ages and ethnicities - aggressive young Latino men, middle aged white dudes, older Middle eastern guy, and more. To be fair, Black drivers may have driven aggressively around me and played super loud music that thunders at stop lights but that demo has never cussed me out or given me the drunken sailor’s royal salute.

I wonder whether DMV drivers should be required to pass a basic road civility test?

Right AFTER we require a basic road driving test that looks at real-world scenarios, like merging/existing off the highway, staying in the right lane except when passing, paying attention to the cars around you, etc.

Once we get that taken care of then we can worry about "civility".

They are not mutually exclusive

Driving proficiently >>>>> civility

False dichotomy ..,,

Civility contributes enormously to safer driving - not taking ridiculous risks to get one car ahead/ minimizing tail gating and road rage/ maintaining safe spaces between self and others on road/ allowing two lanes to merge in order/ yielding where required etc.

Courtesy requires paying attention to others on road and maintaining basic courtesy requires greater awareness of, and respect for, other drivers.

Maintaining safe distances behind other cars is both courteous and safer, especially
On wet roads.

BS.

You driving like crap is going to cause an accident. Not someone giving you the middle finger because you’re driving like crap.

The root issue is the bad driving. Not the middle finger.

Reminds me of the thread about north/south. Southerners are polite but not kind. Northerners are not polite but kind. In the end, politeness doesn’t matter, kindness does. Similarly, middle fingers don’t matter, competent driving does.

If multiple people are cursing at you or giving you the middle finger, YOU are the problem. Learn how to drive before you cause an accident.

This isn’t necessarily true. I keep to the right, go somewhat above the speed limit where possible and don’t tailgate. I still get people swerving in and out, riding up on my bumper, cutting in front of me by a hairsbreadth and otherwise pretending they’re starting in “Gone in 60 Seconds” in the middle of rush hour. People like that seem to resent sharing the road with anyone, except perhaps as an audience for their self-perceived “skill.”

The PP was specifically talking about people who take the time to (a) curse at her and/or (b) give her the middle finger. That's not typical.

Huh? Many friends say they experience this all the time on DMV roads … several PPs indicated as much here as well.

Honking, sure. Occasional middle finder, OK. But someone slowing down or stopping to CURSE at you? Multiple times? Not normal.

The cussing out is when the aggressive male drivers were parked illegally and not wanting to move to let me pass or driving into me in busy parking lots on the wrong side of the road and not wanting to reverse their illegal maneuvers to let me pass … we were at a stand still… if cars are in motion, it is mostly crass gestures … many female friends have described male tailgating drivers slowing down to say f### you and middle finger if they were driving at speed limit on roads where the aggressive drivers could not pass.

If this is the new normal, it not a good new normal.

They were cursing at you while you were waiting to pass? That doesn't even make sense.

You and your friends should stay out of the left lane - that is not for the speed limit. Or maybe just stay off the highway.

Sorry reading comprehension is so difficult for you

“The cussing out is when the aggressive male drivers were parked illegally and not wanting to move to let me pass ”

They were cursing at you while you were waiting to pass? Right. That totally makes sense.

Maybe time to let the grandkids drive you to the market.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, I agree. I tend to drive about 5 miles over the speed limit on windy two-lane roads where there is no passing (like the ones through Clifton). I can't tell you the number of times some jackass in a black pickup truck has tailgated me for miles and then flipped me off when he finally passed. I pull over to let faster drivers go by where I can but that is not always possible. And it's not like I am driving under the speed limit.

On the Beltway, I tend to go about 70-75 without traffic and stay in the right lanes. Same exact dynamic, and it is always, always, always some angry white dude. I'm a nondescript, mom-aged white woman driving a nondescript (not fancy) gray SUV with no bumper stickers, so it's not like there is something racial or political going on.

But it's not just here. I was in Wilmington, Delaware with kids in the back of my car and had a guy in a huge work truck tailgate me and then hang out the window to flip me off and yell "f- you" at me. This was on a multilane road in the middle of the day, so he easily could have passed me. He just wanted to intimidate me.

So much anger out there.

Intimidation is a good word …

Agree there does not seem to be a race or ethnicity thing but misogynist venting .., All the aggressive drivers who went overboard with cussing me out and hand gestures were males of different ages and ethnicities - aggressive young Latino men, middle aged white dudes, older Middle eastern guy, and more. To be fair, Black drivers may have driven aggressively around me and played super loud music that thunders at stop lights but that demo has never cussed me out or given me the drunken sailor’s royal salute.

I wonder whether DMV drivers should be required to pass a basic road civility test?

Right AFTER we require a basic road driving test that looks at real-world scenarios, like merging/existing off the highway, staying in the right lane except when passing, paying attention to the cars around you, etc.

Once we get that taken care of then we can worry about "civility".

They are not mutually exclusive

Driving proficiently >>>>> civility

False dichotomy ..,,

Civility contributes enormously to safer driving - not taking ridiculous risks to get one car ahead/ minimizing tail gating and road rage/ maintaining safe spaces between self and others on road/ allowing two lanes to merge in order/ yielding where required etc.

Courtesy requires paying attention to others on road and maintaining basic courtesy requires greater awareness of, and respect for, other drivers.

Maintaining safe distances behind other cars is both courteous and safer, especially
On wet roads.

BS.

You driving like crap is going to cause an accident. Not someone giving you the middle finger because you’re driving like crap.

The root issue is the bad driving. Not the middle finger.

Reminds me of the thread about north/south. Southerners are polite but not kind. Northerners are not polite but kind. In the end, politeness doesn’t matter, kindness does. Similarly, middle fingers don’t matter, competent driving does.

If multiple people are cursing at you or giving you the middle finger, YOU are the problem. Learn how to drive before you cause an accident.

This isn’t necessarily true. I keep to the right, go somewhat above the speed limit where possible and don’t tailgate. I still get people swerving in and out, riding up on my bumper, cutting in front of me by a hairsbreadth and otherwise pretending they’re starting in “Gone in 60 Seconds” in the middle of rush hour. People like that seem to resent sharing the road with anyone, except perhaps as an audience for their self-perceived “skill.”

The PP was specifically talking about people who take the time to (a) curse at her and/or (b) give her the middle finger. That's not typical.

Huh? Many friends say they experience this all the time on DMV roads … several PPs indicated as much here as well.

Honking, sure. Occasional middle finder, OK. But someone slowing down or stopping to CURSE at you? Multiple times? Not normal.

The cussing out is when the aggressive male drivers were parked illegally and not wanting to move to let me pass or driving into me in busy parking lots on the wrong side of the road and not wanting to reverse their illegal maneuvers to let me pass … we were at a stand still… if cars are in motion, it is mostly crass gestures … many female friends have described male tailgating drivers slowing down to say f### you and middle finger if they were driving at speed limit on roads where the aggressive drivers could not pass.

If this is the new normal, it not a good new normal.

They were cursing at you while you were waiting to pass? That doesn't even make sense.

You and your friends should stay out of the left lane - that is not for the speed limit. Or maybe just stay off the highway.

Sorry reading comprehension is so difficult for you

“The cussing out is when the aggressive male drivers were parked illegally and not wanting to move to let me pass ”

They were cursing at you while you were waiting to pass? Right. That totally makes sense.

Maybe time to let the grandkids drive you to the market.

More like time to stand up to the bullies.

Many women report this kind of obnoxious behavior on the DMV. If you choose to defend lousy drivers with poor manners, it speaks volumes about you not me. I have an excellent driving record.

It is not OK for aggressive drivers to take out their stress on women drivers. We all have stress.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, I agree. I tend to drive about 5 miles over the speed limit on windy two-lane roads where there is no passing (like the ones through Clifton). I can't tell you the number of times some jackass in a black pickup truck has tailgated me for miles and then flipped me off when he finally passed. I pull over to let faster drivers go by where I can but that is not always possible. And it's not like I am driving under the speed limit.

On the Beltway, I tend to go about 70-75 without traffic and stay in the right lanes. Same exact dynamic, and it is always, always, always some angry white dude. I'm a nondescript, mom-aged white woman driving a nondescript (not fancy) gray SUV with no bumper stickers, so it's not like there is something racial or political going on.

But it's not just here. I was in Wilmington, Delaware with kids in the back of my car and had a guy in a huge work truck tailgate me and then hang out the window to flip me off and yell "f- you" at me. This was on a multilane road in the middle of the day, so he easily could have passed me. He just wanted to intimidate me.

So much anger out there.

Intimidation is a good word …

Agree there does not seem to be a race or ethnicity thing but misogynist venting .., All the aggressive drivers who went overboard with cussing me out and hand gestures were males of different ages and ethnicities - aggressive young Latino men, middle aged white dudes, older Middle eastern guy, and more. To be fair, Black drivers may have driven aggressively around me and played super loud music that thunders at stop lights but that demo has never cussed me out or given me the drunken sailor’s royal salute.

I wonder whether DMV drivers should be required to pass a basic road civility test?

Right AFTER we require a basic road driving test that looks at real-world scenarios, like merging/existing off the highway, staying in the right lane except when passing, paying attention to the cars around you, etc.

Once we get that taken care of then we can worry about "civility".

They are not mutually exclusive

Driving proficiently >>>>> civility

False dichotomy ..,,

Civility contributes enormously to safer driving - not taking ridiculous risks to get one car ahead/ minimizing tail gating and road rage/ maintaining safe spaces between self and others on road/ allowing two lanes to merge in order/ yielding where required etc.

Courtesy requires paying attention to others on road and maintaining basic courtesy requires greater awareness of, and respect for, other drivers.

Maintaining safe distances behind other cars is both courteous and safer, especially
On wet roads.

BS.

You driving like crap is going to cause an accident. Not someone giving you the middle finger because you’re driving like crap.

The root issue is the bad driving. Not the middle finger.

Reminds me of the thread about north/south. Southerners are polite but not kind. Northerners are not polite but kind. In the end, politeness doesn’t matter, kindness does. Similarly, middle fingers don’t matter, competent driving does.

If multiple people are cursing at you or giving you the middle finger, YOU are the problem. Learn how to drive before you cause an accident.

This isn’t necessarily true. I keep to the right, go somewhat above the speed limit where possible and don’t tailgate. I still get people swerving in and out, riding up on my bumper, cutting in front of me by a hairsbreadth and otherwise pretending they’re starting in “Gone in 60 Seconds” in the middle of rush hour. People like that seem to resent sharing the road with anyone, except perhaps as an audience for their self-perceived “skill.”

The PP was specifically talking about people who take the time to (a) curse at her and/or (b) give her the middle finger. That's not typical.

Huh? Many friends say they experience this all the time on DMV roads … several PPs indicated as much here as well.

Honking, sure. Occasional middle finder, OK. But someone slowing down or stopping to CURSE at you? Multiple times? Not normal.

The cussing out is when the aggressive male drivers were parked illegally and not wanting to move to let me pass or driving into me in busy parking lots on the wrong side of the road and not wanting to reverse their illegal maneuvers to let me pass … we were at a stand still… if cars are in motion, it is mostly crass gestures … many female friends have described male tailgating drivers slowing down to say f### you and middle finger if they were driving at speed limit on roads where the aggressive drivers could not pass.

If this is the new normal, it not a good new normal.

They were cursing at you while you were waiting to pass? That doesn't even make sense.

You and your friends should stay out of the left lane - that is not for the speed limit. Or maybe just stay off the highway.

Sorry reading comprehension is so difficult for you

“The cussing out is when the aggressive male drivers were parked illegally and not wanting to move to let me pass ”

They were cursing at you while you were waiting to pass? Right. That totally makes sense.

Maybe time to let the grandkids drive you to the market.

More like time to stand up to the bullies.

Many women report this kind of obnoxious behavior on the DMV. If you choose to defend lousy drivers with poor manners, it speaks volumes about you not me. I have an excellent driving record.

It is not OK for aggressive drivers to take out their stress on women drivers. We all have stress.

I’m sorry your feelings were hurt by someone cursing at you, but “manners” are not the issue here. Unsafe driving is the issue. Whether it’s someone tailgating -or- someone who drives so poorly that they draw repeated cursing.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, I agree. I tend to drive about 5 miles over the speed limit on windy two-lane roads where there is no passing (like the ones through Clifton). I can't tell you the number of times some jackass in a black pickup truck has tailgated me for miles and then flipped me off when he finally passed. I pull over to let faster drivers go by where I can but that is not always possible. And it's not like I am driving under the speed limit.

On the Beltway, I tend to go about 70-75 without traffic and stay in the right lanes. Same exact dynamic, and it is always, always, always some angry white dude. I'm a nondescript, mom-aged white woman driving a nondescript (not fancy) gray SUV with no bumper stickers, so it's not like there is something racial or political going on.

But it's not just here. I was in Wilmington, Delaware with kids in the back of my car and had a guy in a huge work truck tailgate me and then hang out the window to flip me off and yell "f- you" at me. This was on a multilane road in the middle of the day, so he easily could have passed me. He just wanted to intimidate me.

So much anger out there.

Intimidation is a good word …

Agree there does not seem to be a race or ethnicity thing but misogynist venting .., All the aggressive drivers who went overboard with cussing me out and hand gestures were males of different ages and ethnicities - aggressive young Latino men, middle aged white dudes, older Middle eastern guy, and more. To be fair, Black drivers may have driven aggressively around me and played super loud music that thunders at stop lights but that demo has never cussed me out or given me the drunken sailor’s royal salute.

I wonder whether DMV drivers should be required to pass a basic road civility test?

Right AFTER we require a basic road driving test that looks at real-world scenarios, like merging/existing off the highway, staying in the right lane except when passing, paying attention to the cars around you, etc.

Once we get that taken care of then we can worry about "civility".

They are not mutually exclusive

Driving proficiently >>>>> civility

False dichotomy ..,,

Civility contributes enormously to safer driving - not taking ridiculous risks to get one car ahead/ minimizing tail gating and road rage/ maintaining safe spaces between self and others on road/ allowing two lanes to merge in order/ yielding where required etc.

Courtesy requires paying attention to others on road and maintaining basic courtesy requires greater awareness of, and respect for, other drivers.

Maintaining safe distances behind other cars is both courteous and safer, especially
On wet roads.

BS.

You driving like crap is going to cause an accident. Not someone giving you the middle finger because you’re driving like crap.

The root issue is the bad driving. Not the middle finger.

Reminds me of the thread about north/south. Southerners are polite but not kind. Northerners are not polite but kind. In the end, politeness doesn’t matter, kindness does. Similarly, middle fingers don’t matter, competent driving does.

If multiple people are cursing at you or giving you the middle finger, YOU are the problem. Learn how to drive before you cause an accident.

This isn’t necessarily true. I keep to the right, go somewhat above the speed limit where possible and don’t tailgate. I still get people swerving in and out, riding up on my bumper, cutting in front of me by a hairsbreadth and otherwise pretending they’re starting in “Gone in 60 Seconds” in the middle of rush hour. People like that seem to resent sharing the road with anyone, except perhaps as an audience for their self-perceived “skill.”

The PP was specifically talking about people who take the time to (a) curse at her and/or (b) give her the middle finger. That's not typical.

Huh? Many friends say they experience this all the time on DMV roads … several PPs indicated as much here as well.

Honking, sure. Occasional middle finder, OK. But someone slowing down or stopping to CURSE at you? Multiple times? Not normal.

The cussing out is when the aggressive male drivers were parked illegally and not wanting to move to let me pass or driving into me in busy parking lots on the wrong side of the road and not wanting to reverse their illegal maneuvers to let me pass … we were at a stand still… if cars are in motion, it is mostly crass gestures … many female friends have described male tailgating drivers slowing down to say f### you and middle finger if they were driving at speed limit on roads where the aggressive drivers could not pass.

If this is the new normal, it not a good new normal.

They were cursing at you while you were waiting to pass? That doesn't even make sense.

You and your friends should stay out of the left lane - that is not for the speed limit. Or maybe just stay off the highway.

Sorry reading comprehension is so difficult for you

“The cussing out is when the aggressive male drivers were parked illegally and not wanting to move to let me pass ”

They were cursing at you while you were waiting to pass? Right. That totally makes sense.

Maybe time to let the grandkids drive you to the market.

More like time to stand up to the bullies.

Many women report this kind of obnoxious behavior on the DMV. If you choose to defend lousy drivers with poor manners, it speaks volumes about you not me. I have an excellent driving record.

It is not OK for aggressive drivers to take out their stress on women drivers. We all have stress.

I’m sorry your feelings were hurt by someone cursing at you, but “manners” are not the issue here. Unsafe driving is the issue. Whether it’s someone tailgating -or- someone who drives so poorly that they draw repeated cursing.

Sorry you seem to struggle with reading comprehension …