Why are pro-life women scared of what they asked for?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The GOP's brand is to keep government out of people's lives, yet these laws are the complete opposite of that. Almost every American has either had an abortion herself (about 1 in 4 women have) or knows someone who has. People's personal experience with an issue is what most informs their opinion, and most Americans believe that abortion should be a personal choice.

Well is murder a personal choice? That's the thinking.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The GOP's brand is to keep government out of people's lives, yet these laws are the complete opposite of that. Almost every American has either had an abortion herself (about 1 in 4 women have) or knows someone who has. People's personal experience with an issue is what most informs their opinion, and most Americans believe that abortion should be a personal choice.

Well is murder a personal choice? That's the thinking.

Adult women are more important than an embryo or fetus. Full stop. Sorry, not sorry.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The GOP's brand is to keep government out of people's lives, yet these laws are the complete opposite of that. Almost every American has either had an abortion herself (about 1 in 4 women have) or knows someone who has. People's personal experience with an issue is what most informs their opinion, and most Americans believe that abortion should be a personal choice.

Well is murder a personal choice? That's the thinking.

The point is, when almost all Americans have either had an abortion or know someone who has, you can't all of a sudden brand
your sister,
your wife,
your mother,
your best friend,
your old girlfriend,
your co-worker

A MURDERER.

[Anonymous]

Apparently no conservative cares if adult women or kids die, it's only fetuses that are "murdered."

No conservatives apparently care how all these fetuses are going to get health care, shelter and food. But if it's a fetus it's mURdeR.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:BREAKING: Dog catches car.

Same statement, different day

I'm a Republican and an attorney, I did think Roe V Wade was wrong in its logic and should have been overturned.

But I would vote in a heartbeat for rational middle-ground abortion legislation to preserve the right to it in the first 15 weeks, plus longer for rape, incest, fetal problems and the health of the mother.

The two extremes are nauseating.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:BREAKING: Dog catches car.

Same statement, different day

I'm a Republican and an attorney, I did think Roe V Wade was wrong in its logic and should have been overturned.

But I would vote in a heartbeat for rational middle-ground abortion legislation to preserve the right to it in the first 15 weeks, plus longer for rape, incest, fetal problems and the health of the mother.

The two extremes are nauseating.

There is only ONE EXTREME. guess what?
It’s your side.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:BREAKING: Dog catches car.

Same statement, different day

I'm a Republican and an attorney, I did think Roe V Wade was wrong in its logic and should have been overturned.

But I would vote in a heartbeat for rational middle-ground abortion legislation to preserve the right to it in the first 15 weeks, plus longer for rape, incest, fetal problems and the health of the mother.

The two extremes are nauseating.

why 15 weeks? how would you define fetal problems and health of the mother- is partial disability acceptable or is that an individual decision?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:BREAKING: Dog catches car.

Same statement, different day

I'm a Republican and an attorney, I did think Roe V Wade was wrong in its logic and should have been overturned.

But I would vote in a heartbeat for rational middle-ground abortion legislation to preserve the right to it in the first 15 weeks, plus longer for rape, incest, fetal problems and the health of the mother.

The two extremes are nauseating.

You keep pretending that pro-choice women are extreme, yet the proof is not there. How many states have outlawed abortion since the overturning of RvW even in the case of rape and incest? That's your side honey.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We were in the center before they blew it up and demanded extremism. Christ, how stupid are they? I know everything is a projection from them, but now they’re projecting mid-low intelligence on everyone because that’s where they are. Like we won’t notice they want to go back to the normal we had before.

It’s like some bad b&w movie, or right when they switched over to color (I wasn’t alive then so forgive me for not knowing the exact decade) where the husband cheats and the wife is upset and he wants to go back to how things were before he cheated after things blow up and he realizes divorce could really happen and would suck for him.

They are fixated on a fantasy world where every pregnancy is beautiful and every baby is a gift, and the only thing preventing that was Roe v Wade. This was *always* symbolic and metaphysical to them, and never grounded in the reality of women’s lives, children’s lives, or parenting.

I should add - this is why CJ John Roberts, who is a smart but essentially normal and mentally healthy person, was the Court moderate on abortion. He’s likely gone through family fertility struggles (since his 2 kids are adopted). I can’t emphasize enough that the other brand of Catholics on the Court are not mentally healthy. They are basically part of a cult where fertility is a religious sacrament and nothing to do with reality.

DH works closely with the CJ’s administrative people in the Judiciary. He says the CJ’s the most brilliant politician that he’s ever encountered, and he’s dealt with so many. DH says the CJ would have happily voted with the Dobbs majority if that vote wouldn’t elect Democrats. Unlike his hotheaded colleagues, he knew the electoral blowback would be ferocious.

DH says the CJ’s always wants to do the most minimal, sneaky thing possible to advance GOP/FedSoc objectives. In the Judicial administration he makes each appointment very carefully so that progressive decisions only result if there is no plausible way to act otherwise. Privatization of Judicial programs, underfunding criminal defense, hardening courthouses at the expense of IT security, etc. Maintaining archaic and cumbersome information systems so that big law firms are best suited to extract the information they need (vs plaintiffs attorneys, nonprofits, and academics). One of his classic internal tricks is to refrain from taking a position so as to appear apolitical when he knows the status quo advances conservative objectives. This being apolitical is in fact a political choice in the first place.

The CJ knew the infrastructure wasn’t yet in place to survive banning abortion. Dems control the Presidency and Congress. The coup didn’t work. The GOP hasn’t built up its Border Patrol and paramilitary forces nearly enough. The Jan. 6 Committee is hammering the party’s foundation. It wasn’t time to strike. Far better to turn up the abortion frog’s temperature another couple of degrees so that voters would still focus on inflation and gas prices, rather than boiling it altogether.

Roberts is the flaming POS I always thought he was.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:BREAKING: Dog catches car.

Same statement, different day

I'm a Republican and an attorney, I did think Roe V Wade was wrong in its logic and should have been overturned.

But I would vote in a heartbeat for rational middle-ground abortion legislation to preserve the right to it in the first 15 weeks, plus longer for rape, incest, fetal problems and the health of the mother.

The two extremes are nauseating.

You keep pretending that pro-choice women are extreme, yet the proof is not there. How many states have outlawed abortion since the overturning of RvW even in the case of rape and incest? That's your side honey.

+1

I’m so over these moronic lawyers whose irrational feelings about Roe are used to disguised their hatred of women. There aren’t two extremes. There’s the forced birthers and there are those who think women are people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The GOP's brand is to keep government out of people's lives, yet these laws are the complete opposite of that. Almost every American has either had an abortion herself (about 1 in 4 women have) or knows someone who has. People's personal experience with an issue is what most informs their opinion, and most Americans believe that abortion should be a personal choice.

Well is murder a personal choice? That's the thinking.

Honey, you’re so out of your depth here. The drool mouthed forced birthers have tried to claim with a straight face that ectopic pregnancy abortions and missed miscarriage abortions and abortions for ten year olds aren’t abortions. They are. So either it’s murder or it isn’t (it isn’t).

Statistically speaking, as a forced birther you’re just as likely as a normal woman to have had an abortion, but for you ladies, the only moral abortion is your abortion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:BREAKING: Dog catches car.

Same statement, different day

I'm a Republican and an attorney, I did think Roe V Wade was wrong in its logic and should have been overturned.

But I would vote in a heartbeat for rational middle-ground abortion legislation to preserve the right to it in the first 15 weeks, plus longer for rape, incest, fetal problems and the health of the mother.

The two extremes are nauseating.

Roe was settled precedent. Overturning Roe *destroyed* the rational middle ground that *already existed.*

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:BREAKING: Dog catches car.

Same statement, different day

I'm a Republican and an attorney, I did think Roe V Wade was wrong in its logic and should have been overturned.

But I would vote in a heartbeat for rational middle-ground abortion legislation to preserve the right to it in the first 15 weeks, plus longer for rape, incest, fetal problems and the health of the mother.

The two extremes are nauseating.

You keep pretending that pro-choice women are extreme, yet the proof is not there. How many states have outlawed abortion since the overturning of RvW even in the case of rape and incest? That's your side honey.

+1

I’m so over these moronic lawyers whose irrational feelings about Roe are used to disguised their hatred of women. There aren’t two extremes. There’s the forced birthers and there are those who think women are people.

There’s a reason stare decisis exists, and it’s laughable to claim Roe was overturned because it was “wrongly decided,” as if it was some kind of moot court brief.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:BREAKING: Dog catches car.

Same statement, different day

I'm a Republican and an attorney, I did think Roe V Wade was wrong in its logic and should have been overturned.

But I would vote in a heartbeat for rational middle-ground abortion legislation to preserve the right to it in the first 15 weeks, plus longer for rape, incest, fetal problems and the health of the mother.

The two extremes are nauseating.

But there's only one extreme here - the pro-life side. The Roe framework was a middle ground and statistically that was proven out over the 50 years it was in place. And yet, Republicans voted against codifying Roe.

Look, when you have people on the record publicly saying they think a 10 year old should have been forced to give birth and that you hope eventually the 10 year old would come to see her rape, pregnancy, and child as a blessing you have lost the argument. The overwhelming majority of people in this country are living in the real world. Come join us. It's actually pretty decent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:BREAKING: Dog catches car.

Same statement, different day

I'm a Republican and an attorney, I did think Roe V Wade was wrong in its logic and should have been overturned.

But I would vote in a heartbeat for rational middle-ground abortion legislation to preserve the right to it in the first 15 weeks, plus longer for rape, incest, fetal problems and the health of the mother.

The two extremes are nauseating.

But there's only one extreme here - the pro-life side. The Roe framework was a middle ground and statistically that was proven out over the 50 years it was in place. And yet, Republicans voted against codifying Roe.

Look, when you have people on the record publicly saying they think a 10 year old should have been forced to give birth and that you hope eventually the 10 year old would come to see her rape, pregnancy, and child as a blessing you have lost the argument. The overwhelming majority of people in this country are living in the real world. Come join us. It's actually pretty decent.

They don't care. They don't care about the fetus. If they did, then they'd be looking for better pre-natal and post-birth outcomes. They don't care about the mothers. OB care in red states is atrocious. And they certainly don't care about the kids -- see thoughts and prayers following regular school shootings. I'm not really sure what they care about.