Pulling Back the Veil on College Admissions
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Anonymous
Here are the numbers from 2020: US population: White 59% Yale: White 33% The proportion of “non-white kids” does not correspond to the national average. |
Anonymous
You are quite wrong |
Anonymous
If you have nothing substantive to post, please don’t. |
Anonymous
Ok so name the school where white students do not comprise the largest group |
Anonymous
Carnegie Mellon’s white population is only 22%. Asian is 38% |
Anonymous
This is flawed thinking, leaves out crucial data and does not (I think as this totals less than 80%, and Int'l is about 20%) include international students which will add to white and Asian totals. If we add to your numbers with other demographics, it would appear that the greatest race advantage is Asian (double represented per population). Hispanic and AA would be most underrepresented. Yale: Asian, 10.6% Hispanic or Latino, 6.53% Black or African American, 4.92% Two or More Races, 0.249% US Pop: Hispanic: 18.5% Black: 12.2% Asian: 5.6% Multiple Races: 2.8% |
Anonymous
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PP again. This idea that URMs are "taking all the spots from 'qualified' students" that some like to promote is preposterous. These are the most underrepresented in the stats and in observation. Visited several Ivy colleges -- largely white and Asian (some moreso than others, of course).
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Anonymous
First, Yale is a private institution, so they are allowed to determine who they admit. Second, if you look at the CDS for Yale for 2020, to accurately look at that, you need to remove the "non resident aliens" as those are foreign students/non-us students. When you do that the caucasian students at Yale is ~39%. THird: while 59% of the USA is white, in 2022 (can't easily find data for 2020) only 53% of college students are caucasian. So the difference you pointed out is in actually not 26% but only 14%. Finally: No college needs to have their student body correspond to the "national average" for ethnicity. Yale is a private institution and can select whomever they want. Largely they select students for their academic accomplishments, their EC/non-academic accomplishments, their sports, volunteering, etc. They fill the class based on the accomplishments of who applied. When admission rate is less than 10% it will feel "unfair" to many, because 90% will be rejected despite "having the qualifications". Yale could fill an entire freshman class with highly qualified "white people", or with "highly qualified Asians" or "highly qualified blacks" or "highly qualified hispanics" or whatever category you feel the need to list (it feels so crude to even type this sentence btw). Because they only need ~1600 students to matriculate, not $25 Million, and there are ways more than 1600 qualified students from every ethnicity in the US. But that wouldn't be very interesting or the best environment for students to learn and grow because most college bound people in the USA don't want to live in a homogenous environment. You learn the most from being in a diverse environment. Get over your "white people are being discriminated against" because in the history of the US, that's just not the case. It's most of these other groups who have to live with discrimination in various forms on a daily basis. Yes, it might be slightly (just slightly) harder for a white male to gain admissions to an "elite" university. A smart white male would recognize that he's had a ton of privilege and doors opened in life for just the color of his skin and the fact he's got a penis. And perhaps that means he's had less obstacles to encounter in this path of life. Going to an Ivy League school is not a birthright. Most people don't achieve that, no matter how smart they are simply because there are a lot of smart people and not enough spaces and Ivy's are damn expensive. So move on, find you place and start doing and living life and stop complaining. |
Anonymous
Ok. Based on this, if a 1450 is still in top 1%, and you have URMs and first gen applicants with the same grades, rigor, ECs, etc. as other impressive applicants, the AO will and should take them over the overrepresented college applicants with 1500. |
Anonymous
| Why does every college need to have the same % of each race/ethnicity? It's not like every American goes to college. |
Anonymous
Agreed. Just google the demographics of these schools (it’s public information) and you’ll see the vast majority of students are white. |
Anonymous
 Okay, Thanks Yale.
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Anonymous
Stop. Men also have advantages in other ways. At the more elite colleges, where fewer men apply, they have an advantage for the reasons you state - so that the college can "shape" their incoming class to be diverse. That's a fact - google it. Read a book. And yes, I agree, diversity is a good thing. But, I was first gen, poor family, etc. etc. I've worked hard to made a good living (not rich) and give my child the things I didn't have. And now you're saying that DC is "privileged enough" so tough tomatoes if you don't get into a good college (however one defines that)? |
Anonymous
Oh stop. Never did I say your "DC is privileged enough". However the fact is they have experienced privilege in certain areas of their life, apparently according to you. If they are a White male they definately have. What I'm saying is stop complaining you didn't get in because of "first gen, URM, etc." got my DC spot instead. You yourself were poor and first gen so you know how hard it is to grow up like that. Your own kids have had advantages you did not have. But just because you've worked hard does not mean they deserve a spot more than anyone else. Everyone at an Ivy or T20 (or whatever level school you are complaining about not getting into) worked hard to do well and go to a great college. Ironically, you were "first gen/poor family, etc etc" yet somehow have lost touch with all the extra hard work it takes for someone with that background to get to college, stay in college (finances, need to help family pay bills, etc), and graduate. Your DC will get into a good college---maybe just not a T10 or T20, just like thousands of other kids each year who are highly qualified, because there are simply not enough spots in T20 schools for everyone who is "qualified". So rich, poor, first gen, URM, and other groups will all have plenty who get rejected from a T20 university that were "qualified". So stop complaining and focus on helping your kid find a school that they got accepted to that is a great fit for them. Your kid is should d well wherever they go, because they have your support and grew up "expecting to attend college and beyond". But no one is entitled to a T20 education---get over it and get a great education somewhere else, it's really easy to do. Most T100 universities will provide an excellent education, I even know really smart people in honors programs at T140 schools who go on to do amazing things (shocking, right?---that's sarcasm) |
Anonymous
DP. Princeton is only 33% white |