How are controversial political figures, especially ones with school-age kids, treated in their

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Anonymous wrote:I think it depends on the age of the child. The younger the child the probability there is less chastising. My child attended a school with children from a highly recognizable person from the past administration. The kids of this person were young, so no issues arose. I bet if the kids were older there would have been all kinds of problems.

I'm particularly wondering about grandchildren/teenage children of a certain past president. The oldest grandchildren are definitely old enough to have current events discussed in school. What is it like for those grandchildren? Are they being kept in a bubble by their parents/parents lying to them about how great their grandparent is and how awful everyone else is? Like, how do you explain an event like January 6 to those grandchildren? How is it discussed in their school?

Trump hasn't been formally implicated so it would be unlikely and inappropriate for a teacher to host a discussion about it. In the DC area in general, partisan issues are kept out of the classroom. Its possible to have a nonpartisan discussion of current events.

Wait, are you saying it would be "inappropriate" to have a discussion in a HS classroom about what happened on 1/6? How about the entirety of the 2000 election cycle and the lawsuits?

It would be inappropriate to say that Trump had a role in the attack. That hasn't yet been officially determined. The event can be discussed in a way that would not be in any way offensive to a Trump kid by discussing the facts and what has been established in court.

The bolded is interesting. I think any conversation of that day would necessarily involve actions taken by Trump in the weeks and months and hours before the actual invasion of the Capital that are established fact. Whether a Trump kid would take offense to them is an entirely different question.

You would be incorrect. It would be quite easy to discuss that the certification process was disrupted by a violent mob without any discussion of Trump at all.

You don't think the conversation might reasonably touch on the candidate that mob was hoping would end up as president? You don't think that conversation might touch on the unrest and questions raised about the integrity of the vote and subsequent lawsuits filed by Trump? You don't think it might touch on various rationales for why the certification should/could be disrupted and that those arguments were made to the sitting president?

Are you suggesting there are legitmate reasons to conduct a violent attack or disrupt a democratic process? No, I dont believe that would be an appropriate school discussion.

No. I am saying that a conversation about the certification process may touch on all of the legal/procedural aspects of that process, including arguments made to the sitting president about why the election should not have been certified.

Who made the arguments to the president? It's possible this would be educational.

John Eastman (and before we go there, I’m not certain when or how the President saw those arguments, but I think safe to say his administration saw them)

I don't think it's appropriate for teachers to speculate on what people may have been told by someone. It seems like that might make sense once facts have been established.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it depends on the age of the child. The younger the child the probability there is less chastising. My child attended a school with children from a highly recognizable person from the past administration. The kids of this person were young, so no issues arose. I bet if the kids were older there would have been all kinds of problems.

I'm particularly wondering about grandchildren/teenage children of a certain past president. The oldest grandchildren are definitely old enough to have current events discussed in school. What is it like for those grandchildren? Are they being kept in a bubble by their parents/parents lying to them about how great their grandparent is and how awful everyone else is? Like, how do you explain an event like January 6 to those grandchildren? How is it discussed in their school?

Trump hasn't been formally implicated so it would be unlikely and inappropriate for a teacher to host a discussion about it. In the DC area in general, partisan issues are kept out of the classroom. Its possible to have a nonpartisan discussion of current events.

The facts that *have* been established to date are pretty damning. And it just keeps getting worse with each new revelation. Drip drip drip.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it depends on the age of the child. The younger the child the probability there is less chastising. My child attended a school with children from a highly recognizable person from the past administration. The kids of this person were young, so no issues arose. I bet if the kids were older there would have been all kinds of problems.

I'm particularly wondering about grandchildren/teenage children of a certain past president. The oldest grandchildren are definitely old enough to have current events discussed in school. What is it like for those grandchildren? Are they being kept in a bubble by their parents/parents lying to them about how great their grandparent is and how awful everyone else is? Like, how do you explain an event like January 6 to those grandchildren? How is it discussed in their school?

Trump hasn't been formally implicated so it would be unlikely and inappropriate for a teacher to host a discussion about it. In the DC area in general, partisan issues are kept out of the classroom. Its possible to have a nonpartisan discussion of current events.

The facts that *have* been established to date are pretty damning. And it just keeps getting worse with each new revelation. Drip drip drip.

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Anonymous wrote:Ive heard Justice Kavanaugh has been treated poorly after the hearings. Even at church.

He behaved poorly.

He was accused. Not indicted. And the evidence was scant so he was still confirmed.

None of that contradicts the fact that he behaved poorly at the confirmation hearings.

Or that one of the women accusers was a highly credible academic professor. Friends in the area who attended school with him, not to mention Yale peers, corroborated that he behaved very badly when drunk at parties.

The evidence was far from scant but it was dismissed.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it depends on the age of the child. The younger the child the probability there is less chastising. My child attended a school with children from a highly recognizable person from the past administration. The kids of this person were young, so no issues arose. I bet if the kids were older there would have been all kinds of problems.

I'm particularly wondering about grandchildren/teenage children of a certain past president. The oldest grandchildren are definitely old enough to have current events discussed in school. What is it like for those grandchildren? Are they being kept in a bubble by their parents/parents lying to them about how great their grandparent is and how awful everyone else is? Like, how do you explain an event like January 6 to those grandchildren? How is it discussed in their school?

Trump hasn't been formally implicated so it would be unlikely and inappropriate for a teacher to host a discussion about it. In the DC area in general, partisan issues are kept out of the classroom. Its possible to have a nonpartisan discussion of current events.

Wait, are you saying it would be "inappropriate" to have a discussion in a HS classroom about what happened on 1/6? How about the entirety of the 2000 election cycle and the lawsuits?

It would be inappropriate to say that Trump had a role in the attack. That hasn't yet been officially determined. The event can be discussed in a way that would not be in any way offensive to a Trump kid by discussing the facts and what has been established in court.

We watched him in real time egging them on and loving on the violent rioters … literally told them they were special and he loved them as they violently plundered the Capitol and murdered people. We came very close to his own deputy being bound and possibly Murdered for false claims that he could have changed the outcome of the election by not carrying out his constitutional duty …

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Anonymous wrote:Ive heard Justice Kavanaugh has been treated poorly after the hearings. Even at church.

He behaved poorly.

He was accused. Not indicted. And the evidence was scant so he was still confirmed.

None of that contradicts the fact that he behaved poorly at the confirmation hearings.

Or that one of the women accusers was a highly credible academic professor. Friends in the area who attended school with him, not to mention Yale peers, corroborated that he behaved very badly when drunk at parties.

The evidence was far from scant but it was dismissed.

Also the FBI never even actually investigated the claims. We will never know how much evidence there actually was because it was all covered up:

The FBI was informed of allegations that Kavanaugh, while drunk during his freshman year at Yale, exposed himself to two heavily intoxicated female classmates on separate occasions. The bureau did not interview more than a dozen people who said they could provide information about the incidents.

One of the accounts, reported by Deborah Ramirez, was made public at the time of Kavanaugh’s confirmation hearings. The other, not publicly known until this weekend, was reported by a male classmate who said he witnessed the incident. He unsuccessfully sought to get the FBI to investigate with help from a member of the Senate Judiciary Committee who asked FBI Director Christopher A. Wray to look into the allegation.

The FBI never contacted Stier. The bureau also did not interview other classmates who said they had heard at the time of either the incident Stier reported or the one involving Ramirez.

https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2019-09-16/fbi-investigation-brett-kavanaugh-confirmation

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I live in Arlington, near many political figures. Back in the day (during the Bush II administration) the wives of GOP politicians I knew tended to be more liberal than their husbands - some were even Democrats. As the GOP has become more cultish and authoritarian, I'm not seeing that anymore, and the wives are just as insufferable as the husbands.

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Anonymous wrote:Ive heard Justice Kavanaugh has been treated poorly after the hearings. Even at church.

The Blessed Sacrament Community was split along party line. But there are more conservative families than liberal.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it depends on the age of the child. The younger the child the probability there is less chastising. My child attended a school with children from a highly recognizable person from the past administration. The kids of this person were young, so no issues arose. I bet if the kids were older there would have been all kinds of problems.

I'm particularly wondering about grandchildren/teenage children of a certain past president. The oldest grandchildren are definitely old enough to have current events discussed in school. What is it like for those grandchildren? Are they being kept in a bubble by their parents/parents lying to them about how great their grandparent is and how awful everyone else is? Like, how do you explain an event like January 6 to those grandchildren? How is it discussed in their school?

Trump hasn't been formally implicated so it would be unlikely and inappropriate for a teacher to host a discussion about it. In the DC area in general, partisan issues are kept out of the classroom. Its possible to have a nonpartisan discussion of current events.

Wait, are you saying it would be "inappropriate" to have a discussion in a HS classroom about what happened on 1/6? How about the entirety of the 2000 election cycle and the lawsuits?

It would be inappropriate to say that Trump had a role in the attack. That hasn't yet been officially determined. The event can be discussed in a way that would not be in any way offensive to a Trump kid by discussing the facts and what has been established in court.

I don’t understand how anyone could discuss what the rioters were there to do in any meaningful way without ever mentioning Trump. That’s like giving a tour of Arlington National Cemetery without ever mentioning Robert E. Lee.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it depends on the age of the child. The younger the child the probability there is less chastising. My child attended a school with children from a highly recognizable person from the past administration. The kids of this person were young, so no issues arose. I bet if the kids were older there would have been all kinds of problems.

I'm particularly wondering about grandchildren/teenage children of a certain past president. The oldest grandchildren are definitely old enough to have current events discussed in school. What is it like for those grandchildren? Are they being kept in a bubble by their parents/parents lying to them about how great their grandparent is and how awful everyone else is? Like, how do you explain an event like January 6 to those grandchildren? How is it discussed in their school?

Trump hasn't been formally implicated so it would be unlikely and inappropriate for a teacher to host a discussion about it. In the DC area in general, partisan issues are kept out of the classroom. Its possible to have a nonpartisan discussion of current events.

Wait, are you saying it would be "inappropriate" to have a discussion in a HS classroom about what happened on 1/6? How about the entirety of the 2000 election cycle and the lawsuits?

It would be inappropriate to say that Trump had a role in the attack. That hasn't yet been officially determined. The event can be discussed in a way that would not be in any way offensive to a Trump kid by discussing the facts and what has been established in court.

I don’t understand how anyone could discuss what the rioters were there to do in any meaningful way without ever mentioning Trump. That’s like giving a tour of Arlington National Cemetery without ever mentioning Robert E. Lee.

While I agree - Jan 6 was a tragic avoidable event rather than a place so it is more like talking about the JonesTown Massacre without mentioning the cult leader Jim Jones …

https://www.britannica.com/event/Jonestown

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Anonymous wrote:I think it depends on the age of the child. The younger the child the probability there is less chastising. My child attended a school with children from a highly recognizable person from the past administration. The kids of this person were young, so no issues arose. I bet if the kids were older there would have been all kinds of problems.

I'm particularly wondering about grandchildren/teenage children of a certain past president. The oldest grandchildren are definitely old enough to have current events discussed in school. What is it like for those grandchildren? Are they being kept in a bubble by their parents/parents lying to them about how great their grandparent is and how awful everyone else is? Like, how do you explain an event like January 6 to those grandchildren? How is it discussed in their school?

Trump hasn't been formally implicated so it would be unlikely and inappropriate for a teacher to host a discussion about it. In the DC area in general, partisan issues are kept out of the classroom. Its possible to have a nonpartisan discussion of current events.

Wait, are you saying it would be "inappropriate" to have a discussion in a HS classroom about what happened on 1/6? How about the entirety of the 2000 election cycle and the lawsuits?

It would be inappropriate to say that Trump had a role in the attack. That hasn't yet been officially determined. The event can be discussed in a way that would not be in any way offensive to a Trump kid by discussing the facts and what has been established in court.

I don’t understand how anyone could discuss what the rioters were there to do in any meaningful way without ever mentioning Trump. That’s like giving a tour of Arlington National Cemetery without ever mentioning Robert E. Lee.

While I agree - Jan 6 was a tragic avoidable event rather than a place so it is more like talking about the JonesTown Massacre without mentioning the cult leader Jim Jones …

https://www.britannica.com/event/Jonestown

I think you’re missing the point. Without Trump, there is no January 6th insurrection, just as it’s not mere coincidence that Union soldiers were buried all over Lee’s property, right up to his mansion.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it depends on the age of the child. The younger the child the probability there is less chastising. My child attended a school with children from a highly recognizable person from the past administration. The kids of this person were young, so no issues arose. I bet if the kids were older there would have been all kinds of problems.

I'm particularly wondering about grandchildren/teenage children of a certain past president. The oldest grandchildren are definitely old enough to have current events discussed in school. What is it like for those grandchildren? Are they being kept in a bubble by their parents/parents lying to them about how great their grandparent is and how awful everyone else is? Like, how do you explain an event like January 6 to those grandchildren? How is it discussed in their school?

Trump hasn't been formally implicated so it would be unlikely and inappropriate for a teacher to host a discussion about it. In the DC area in general, partisan issues are kept out of the classroom. Its possible to have a nonpartisan discussion of current events.

Wait, are you saying it would be "inappropriate" to have a discussion in a HS classroom about what happened on 1/6? How about the entirety of the 2000 election cycle and the lawsuits?

It would be inappropriate to say that Trump had a role in the attack. That hasn't yet been officially determined. The event can be discussed in a way that would not be in any way offensive to a Trump kid by discussing the facts and what has been established in court.

I don’t understand how anyone could discuss what the rioters were there to do in any meaningful way without ever mentioning Trump. That’s like giving a tour of Arlington National Cemetery without ever mentioning Robert E. Lee.

While I agree - Jan 6 was a tragic avoidable event rather than a place so it is more like talking about the JonesTown Massacre without mentioning the cult leader Jim Jones …

https://www.britannica.com/event/Jonestown

I think you’re missing the point. Without Trump, there is no January 6th insurrection, just as it’s not mere coincidence that Union soldiers were buried all over Lee’s property, right up to his mansion.

Ok point taken. Good example.

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Anonymous wrote:My kid is very good friends with the child of a prominent GOP person (CPAC speaker). We are very liberal. I have zero issues with them even though I really disagree with their politics. They’re nice and funny but totally wrong wrt politics. They have mentioned some minor issues with neighbors being rude. I feel like in DC it is very common to have friends with different political views because for many it’s just a job.

Have you actually watched what goes on at CPAC? It's not just some generic conservative convention of people who disagree with the tax structure.

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Anonymous wrote:My kid is very good friends with the child of a prominent GOP person (CPAC speaker). We are very liberal. I have zero issues with them even though I really disagree with their politics. They’re nice and funny but totally wrong wrt politics. They have mentioned some minor issues with neighbors being rude. I feel like in DC it is very common to have friends with different political views because for many it’s just a job.

Have you actually watched what goes on at CPAC? It's not just some generic conservative convention of people who disagree with the tax structure.

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskALiberal/comments/svl3ri/is_it_worth_going_to_the_cpac_even_though_im_not/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

I know that Reddit is comprised mostly of 13-year old boys who are hermits but this thread is actually interesting if true.

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Anonymous wrote:Ive heard Justice Kavanaugh has been treated poorly after the hearings. Even at church.

He behaved poorly.

He was accused. Not indicted. And the evidence was scant so he was still confirmed.

None of that contradicts the fact that he behaved poorly at the confirmation hearings.

Right?? Nothing in his conduct demonstrated a judicial temperment.