APS teacher diversity?

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Anonymous wrote:I think it is funny that someone actually believes that there are a bunch of black teachers not getting hired by white principals or black principals or purple or any color principals.

And what about the new college grads?

Young black people are just as capable as young white people in knowing that teaching is not a good profession to go into because the pay is low and you're treated like dog poop on a shoe by parents. If you're graduating from college right now, you don't go into a profession like teaching, you follow the money and you go into professions where your work will be valued.

I think the real problem is that many NA neighborhood Elementary Schools do no have a very diverse teaching staff. More specifically Tuckahoe, Cardinal, Nottingham, Jamestown, Taylor....but others probably know better.

PP, you DO realize that you're exactly the type of parent who is the problem, don't you? That it is the people like you, always creating drama and lashing out, that make the teaching profession undesirable? If you, and people like you, would stay in your lane, perhaps more people would want to be teachers. As it is, I find you embarrassing with your virtue signaling.

Most of the diverse teachers at these schools left when Spanish Specials were canceled. APS could do so much better...many of these students will not have a diverse teacher until they get to middle school.

Again, this isn't soley an APS problem, there are teacher shortages, the vast majority of teachers are white. What do you want them to do, force diverse teachers to go to the North?

Just take the easy way out...nothing to see here. Not my problem....pass the buck. This is decades in the making and nobody really cares.

Why aren't you a teacher yourself if you care this much about it? Ooooooh, you're the great mind thinking about these things and pointing out how everyone else is wrong. You aren't going to sully your pristine hands by actually doing the work. Right? Right!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think it is funny that someone actually believes that there are a bunch of black teachers not getting hired by white principals or black principals or purple or any color principals.

And what about the new college grads?

Young black people are just as capable as young white people in knowing that teaching is not a good profession to go into because the pay is low and you're treated like dog poop on a shoe by parents. If you're graduating from college right now, you don't go into a profession like teaching, you follow the money and you go into professions where your work will be valued.

I think the real problem is that many NA neighborhood Elementary Schools do no have a very diverse teaching staff. More specifically Tuckahoe, Cardinal, Nottingham, Jamestown, Taylor....but others probably know better.

PP, you DO realize that you're exactly the type of parent who is the problem, don't you? That it is the people like you, always creating drama and lashing out, that make the teaching profession undesirable? If you, and people like you, would stay in your lane, perhaps more people would want to be teachers. As it is, I find you embarrassing with your virtue signaling.

Most of the diverse teachers at these schools left when Spanish Specials were canceled. APS could do so much better...many of these students will not have a diverse teacher until they get to middle school.

Again, this isn't soley an APS problem, there are teacher shortages, the vast majority of teachers are white. What do you want them to do, force diverse teachers to go to the North?

Just take the easy way out...nothing to see here. Not my problem....pass the buck. This is decades in the making and nobody really cares.

We care but we’re drowning, my sped classroom has been down an assistant all year, third grade has been without a permanent teacher for 3 months. WE CAN’T GET ANYONE

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The South Arlington schools are more diverse to varying degrees

Interesting...that doesn't seem very equitable. Should principals be rewarded based on diverse hiring?

No. You don’t understand how bad it is right. I work in a different district and we are happy when we get any applicant with a teaching license or a way we can get them a provisional. We are looking for race or equity. We are looking for someone who wants the job who had the minimal qualifications. I’m not even talking about special ed positions. Some of those have been open all year.

That's part of the problem, just looking for whoever meets the minimum qualifications. APS - rightly - has historically tried to hire "highly qualified" staff. Savvy principals look to hire dually-certified teachers for flexibility in classroom assignments as each year needs.

I realize that's been a luxury and we can't be overly-picky these days. Nevertheless -- here come the racist accusations -- one possibility is that there are fewer people of color who are qualified, and even fewer who are considered highly qualified. Secondly, the correlations between race and education/occupation aligns with the fact that support and custodial staff are more likely to be minorities. Thirdly, I think it is likely that when they do have openings and hire diverse staff, they will want to place them in the more diverse schools if possible....the whole "see teachers who look like me" idea.

So "Highly Qualified" is code word for racist? Just like "Walkable"? Maybe APS should hire teachers who just meet the minimum qualifications for Equity.

No, not at all. Highly qualified means highly qualified via education level, special certifications, experience, etc.
Is it really a stretch that there are likely more "white" teachers with higher qualifications than minority teachers - given the general disparities in income, education, college attendance, etc.? Just like in other occupations?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The South Arlington schools are more diverse to varying degrees

Interesting...that doesn't seem very equitable. Should principals be rewarded based on diverse hiring?

No. You don’t understand how bad it is right. I work in a different district and we are happy when we get any applicant with a teaching license or a way we can get them a provisional. We are looking for race or equity. We are looking for someone who wants the job who had the minimal qualifications. I’m not even talking about special ed positions. Some of those have been open all year.

That's part of the problem, just looking for whoever meets the minimum qualifications. APS - rightly - has historically tried to hire "highly qualified" staff. Savvy principals look to hire dually-certified teachers for flexibility in classroom assignments as each year needs.

I realize that's been a luxury and we can't be overly-picky these days. Nevertheless -- here come the racist accusations -- one possibility is that there are fewer people of color who are qualified, and even fewer who are considered highly qualified. Secondly, the correlations between race and education/occupation aligns with the fact that support and custodial staff are more likely to be minorities. Thirdly, I think it is likely that when they do have openings and hire diverse staff, they will want to place them in the more diverse schools if possible....the whole "see teachers who look like me" idea.

LOL. You still aren't getting it. We have applications in the portal. We have LOTS of applications in the portal. We go through it every.single.day. Same people. Believe me when I tell you that we aren't hiring those people because NO.ONE. in their right mind would hire them. When we see anyone who looks even remotely likely, we, all the principals are leapfrogging over each other to get that person on the phone as fast as possible. Frankly, I don't care if they look like Charley the Tuna or Mork from Ork, if they are remotely able to teach, I will hire them.

Yes, I get what you're saying.
If you have so many applications, and you're willing to hire anyone breathing, then why are you complaining about staff shortages?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The South Arlington schools are more diverse to varying degrees

Interesting...that doesn't seem very equitable. Should principals be rewarded based on diverse hiring?

No. You don’t understand how bad it is right. I work in a different district and we are happy when we get any applicant with a teaching license or a way we can get them a provisional. We are looking for race or equity. We are looking for someone who wants the job who had the minimal qualifications. I’m not even talking about special ed positions. Some of those have been open all year.

That's part of the problem, just looking for whoever meets the minimum qualifications. APS - rightly - has historically tried to hire "highly qualified" staff. Savvy principals look to hire dually-certified teachers for flexibility in classroom assignments as each year needs.

I realize that's been a luxury and we can't be overly-picky these days. Nevertheless -- here come the racist accusations -- one possibility is that there are fewer people of color who are qualified, and even fewer who are considered highly qualified. Secondly, the correlations between race and education/occupation aligns with the fact that support and custodial staff are more likely to be minorities. Thirdly, I think it is likely that when they do have openings and hire diverse staff, they will want to place them in the more diverse schools if possible....the whole "see teachers who look like me" idea.

LOL. You still aren't getting it. We have applications in the portal. We have LOTS of applications in the portal. We go through it every.single.day. Same people. Believe me when I tell you that we aren't hiring those people because NO.ONE. in their right mind would hire them. When we see anyone who looks even remotely likely, we, all the principals are leapfrogging over each other to get that person on the phone as fast as possible. Frankly, I don't care if they look like Charley the Tuna or Mork from Ork, if they are remotely able to teach, I will hire them.

Yes, I get what you're saying.
If you have so many applications, and you're willing to hire anyone breathing, then why are you complaining about staff shortages?

There are state and federal minimum qualifications, even with provisional licenses. If people can’t pass those or a background check they literally can’t be hired

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The South Arlington schools are more diverse to varying degrees

Interesting...that doesn't seem very equitable. Should principals be rewarded based on diverse hiring?

No. You don’t understand how bad it is right. I work in a different district and we are happy when we get any applicant with a teaching license or a way we can get them a provisional. We are looking for race or equity. We are looking for someone who wants the job who had the minimal qualifications. I’m not even talking about special ed positions. Some of those have been open all year.

That's part of the problem, just looking for whoever meets the minimum qualifications. APS - rightly - has historically tried to hire "highly qualified" staff. Savvy principals look to hire dually-certified teachers for flexibility in classroom assignments as each year needs.

I realize that's been a luxury and we can't be overly-picky these days. Nevertheless -- here come the racist accusations -- one possibility is that there are fewer people of color who are qualified, and even fewer who are considered highly qualified. Secondly, the correlations between race and education/occupation aligns with the fact that support and custodial staff are more likely to be minorities. Thirdly, I think it is likely that when they do have openings and hire diverse staff, they will want to place them in the more diverse schools if possible....the whole "see teachers who look like me" idea.

LOL. You still aren't getting it. We have applications in the portal. We have LOTS of applications in the portal. We go through it every.single.day. Same people. Believe me when I tell you that we aren't hiring those people because NO.ONE. in their right mind would hire them. When we see anyone who looks even remotely likely, we, all the principals are leapfrogging over each other to get that person on the phone as fast as possible. Frankly, I don't care if they look like Charley the Tuna or Mork from Ork, if they are remotely able to teach, I will hire them.

Yes, I get what you're saying.
If you have so many applications, and you're willing to hire anyone breathing, then why are you complaining about staff shortages?

There are state and federal minimum qualifications, even with provisional licenses. If people can’t pass those or a background check they literally can’t be hired

I want them to be alive and breathing. I also don't want to worry that they will hurt a child AND I want them to have some grasp of the subject matter. If they can't answer my simple (and I mean SIMPLE) grade level content taken straight from released SOLs then they don't do me any good. I'd rather split the classes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The South Arlington schools are more diverse to varying degrees

Interesting...that doesn't seem very equitable. Should principals be rewarded based on diverse hiring?

No. You don’t understand how bad it is right. I work in a different district and we are happy when we get any applicant with a teaching license or a way we can get them a provisional. We are looking for race or equity. We are looking for someone who wants the job who had the minimal qualifications. I’m not even talking about special ed positions. Some of those have been open all year.

That's part of the problem, just looking for whoever meets the minimum qualifications. APS - rightly - has historically tried to hire "highly qualified" staff. Savvy principals look to hire dually-certified teachers for flexibility in classroom assignments as each year needs.

I realize that's been a luxury and we can't be overly-picky these days. Nevertheless -- here come the racist accusations -- one possibility is that there are fewer people of color who are qualified, and even fewer who are considered highly qualified. Secondly, the correlations between race and education/occupation aligns with the fact that support and custodial staff are more likely to be minorities. Thirdly, I think it is likely that when they do have openings and hire diverse staff, they will want to place them in the more diverse schools if possible....the whole "see teachers who look like me" idea.

LOL. You still aren't getting it. We have applications in the portal. We have LOTS of applications in the portal. We go through it every.single.day. Same people. Believe me when I tell you that we aren't hiring those people because NO.ONE. in their right mind would hire them. When we see anyone who looks even remotely likely, we, all the principals are leapfrogging over each other to get that person on the phone as fast as possible. Frankly, I don't care if they look like Charley the Tuna or Mork from Ork, if they are remotely able to teach, I will hire them.

Yes, I get what you're saying.
If you have so many applications, and you're willing to hire anyone breathing, then why are you complaining about staff shortages?

There are state and federal minimum qualifications, even with provisional licenses. If people can’t pass those or a background check they literally can’t be hired

I want them to be alive and breathing. I also don't want to worry that they will hurt a child AND I want them to have some grasp of the subject matter. If they can't answer my simple (and I mean SIMPLE) grade level content taken straight from released SOLs then they don't do me any good. I'd rather split the classes.

+1 We would rather not have to unteach before we reteach. There is nothing worse than being faced with a group of 25 eight year olds who think that 27 divided by 3 is 51 and can show me how to do it in multiple ways. BTDT. They loved the "teacher" who taught them that btw. I agree, he was sweet but a math (or science genius) he was not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The South Arlington schools are more diverse to varying degrees

Interesting...that doesn't seem very equitable. Should principals be rewarded based on diverse hiring?

No. You don’t understand how bad it is right. I work in a different district and we are happy when we get any applicant with a teaching license or a way we can get them a provisional. We are looking for race or equity. We are looking for someone who wants the job who had the minimal qualifications. I’m not even talking about special ed positions. Some of those have been open all year.

That's part of the problem, just looking for whoever meets the minimum qualifications. APS - rightly - has historically tried to hire "highly qualified" staff. Savvy principals look to hire dually-certified teachers for flexibility in classroom assignments as each year needs.

I realize that's been a luxury and we can't be overly-picky these days. Nevertheless -- here come the racist accusations -- one possibility is that there are fewer people of color who are qualified, and even fewer who are considered highly qualified. Secondly, the correlations between race and education/occupation aligns with the fact that support and custodial staff are more likely to be minorities. Thirdly, I think it is likely that when they do have openings and hire diverse staff, they will want to place them in the more diverse schools if possible....the whole "see teachers who look like me" idea.

Last summer, our minimum qualifications were any college degree so they could get a provisional license, pass a background check and willing to take the job. We offered jobs to people with no experience or teaching degree more than once and they turned it down. This is why schools started the year with I filled positions and subs. No one is looking at race or gender when hiring teachers right now. There are not any applicants. This was another local district and this spring and summer will be worse.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The South Arlington schools are more diverse to varying degrees

Interesting...that doesn't seem very equitable. Should principals be rewarded based on diverse hiring?

No. You don’t understand how bad it is right. I work in a different district and we are happy when we get any applicant with a teaching license or a way we can get them a provisional. We are looking for race or equity. We are looking for someone who wants the job who had the minimal qualifications. I’m not even talking about special ed positions. Some of those have been open all year.

That's part of the problem, just looking for whoever meets the minimum qualifications. APS - rightly - has historically tried to hire "highly qualified" staff. Savvy principals look to hire dually-certified teachers for flexibility in classroom assignments as each year needs.

I realize that's been a luxury and we can't be overly-picky these days. Nevertheless -- here come the racist accusations -- one possibility is that there are fewer people of color who are qualified, and even fewer who are considered highly qualified. Secondly, the correlations between race and education/occupation aligns with the fact that support and custodial staff are more likely to be minorities. Thirdly, I think it is likely that when they do have openings and hire diverse staff, they will want to place them in the more diverse schools if possible....the whole "see teachers who look like me" idea.

Last summer, our minimum qualifications were any college degree so they could get a provisional license, pass a background check and willing to take the job. We offered jobs to people with no experience or teaching degree more than once and they turned it down. This is why schools started the year with I filled positions and subs. No one is looking at race or gender when hiring teachers right now. There are not any applicants. This was another local district and this spring and summer will be worse.

+1 I want to add that there are people who would be willing to come back to teaching but they want a different playing field. More money? Sure. However, the dealbreaker for most was being vilified on social media by parents. They don't want to come back to that. I can't blame them.

[Anonymous]

This is a rediculous thread. I've worked at many schools in the county and have found them all to be equally diverse in their staff. Highly qualified too!

[Anonymous]

Parent of color to a child of color here, at one of the county’s least diverse schools (as far as student body, and probably teachers). I DON’T CARE about this issue. I want the lovely woman teaching my kid to enjoy her job as an educator and teach academics. I was one of 6 POC’s in my grade (of 400 kids) when I was a kid. It was fine. I’m sick of non-POCs imposing their priorities on people of color.

A school district in Texas just went down to a four day school week because they can’t recruit enough teachers. Know what my priority is? To avoid that scenario. Because guess who is going to should that burden…me and other women. Not men. Just like all the sh$t fell on us during the pandemic. So let’s all take a hard pass on caring about this made-up issue please.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it is funny that someone actually believes that there are a bunch of black teachers not getting hired by white principals or black principals or purple or any color principals.

And what about the new college grads?

Young black people are just as capable as young white people in knowing that teaching is not a good profession to go into because the pay is low and you're treated like dog poop on a shoe by parents. If you're graduating from college right now, you don't go into a profession like teaching, you follow the money and you go into professions where your work will be valued.

I think the real problem is that many NA neighborhood Elementary Schools do no have a very diverse teaching staff. More specifically Tuckahoe, Cardinal, Nottingham, Jamestown, Taylor....but others probably know better.

PP, you DO realize that you're exactly the type of parent who is the problem, don't you? That it is the people like you, always creating drama and lashing out, that make the teaching profession undesirable? If you, and people like you, would stay in your lane, perhaps more people would want to be teachers. As it is, I find you embarrassing with your virtue signaling.

Most of the diverse teachers at these schools left when Spanish Specials were canceled. APS could do so much better...many of these students will not have a diverse teacher until they get to middle school.

Again, this isn't soley an APS problem, there are teacher shortages, the vast majority of teachers are white. What do you want them to do, force diverse teachers to go to the North?

Just take the easy way out...nothing to see here. Not my problem....pass the buck. This is decades in the making and nobody really cares.

We care but we’re drowning, my sped classroom has been down an assistant all year, third grade has been without a permanent teacher for 3 months. WE CAN’T GET ANYONE

Are you in APS?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The South Arlington schools are more diverse to varying degrees

Interesting...that doesn't seem very equitable. Should principals be rewarded based on diverse hiring?

No. You don’t understand how bad it is right. I work in a different district and we are happy when we get any applicant with a teaching license or a way we can get them a provisional. We are looking for race or equity. We are looking for someone who wants the job who had the minimal qualifications. I’m not even talking about special ed positions. Some of those have been open all year.

That's part of the problem, just looking for whoever meets the minimum qualifications. APS - rightly - has historically tried to hire "highly qualified" staff. Savvy principals look to hire dually-certified teachers for flexibility in classroom assignments as each year needs.

I realize that's been a luxury and we can't be overly-picky these days. Nevertheless -- here come the racist accusations -- one possibility is that there are fewer people of color who are qualified, and even fewer who are considered highly qualified. Secondly, the correlations between race and education/occupation aligns with the fact that support and custodial staff are more likely to be minorities. Thirdly, I think it is likely that when they do have openings and hire diverse staff, they will want to place them in the more diverse schools if possible....the whole "see teachers who look like me" idea.

Last summer, our minimum qualifications were any college degree so they could get a provisional license, pass a background check and willing to take the job. We offered jobs to people with no experience or teaching degree more than once and they turned it down. This is why schools started the year with I filled positions and subs. No one is looking at race or gender when hiring teachers right now. There are not any applicants. This was another local district and this spring and summer will be worse.

Who is the “we” who offered jobs to people with no experience or teaching degree?

[Anonymous]

How diverse is your NA school? If you want to have POC in your child’s life, perhaps move to a more diverse neighborhood.

[Anonymous]

Does APS have a teacher equity / diversity report?