Seriously, why hasn't Jared Kushner been indicted?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s funny ’cause it’s true.

They wondered why it wasn't 20 billion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Jared was one of the leading voices in the Trump admin advocating to keep sanctions and other punishments light for crown prince MbS (aka prince bone spurs) who ordered the killing of dissident Virginia based journalist Khasoggi. that is part of the return on their $2bn investment

I love how human rights violations by KSA only became a concern when a prominent guy who worked for Jeff Bezos got into trouble. KSA has been an very, very ugly place for as long as the U.S. has been friendly with it. And its monarchy has worked hand-in-glove with the American ruling class.

I'll say it again: if you are disturbed by this chain of events, you have to acknowledge that this was just the latest in a long line of similar relations between powerful Americans and the Saudi Royals.

So much whataboutism. A crown prince ordered a hit on a journalist critical of his reign and Jared Kushner was his chief apologist and gets a $2bn investment out of it and for you that’s “business as usual.” No it is not and it’s something worthy of a banana republic, not America

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s funny ’cause it’s true.

They wondered why it wasn't 20 billion.

They wondered that because the NYT eschews critical thinking and worships rich people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Jared was one of the leading voices in the Trump admin advocating to keep sanctions and other punishments light for crown prince MbS (aka prince bone spurs) who ordered the killing of dissident Virginia based journalist Khasoggi. that is part of the return on their $2bn investment

I love how human rights violations by KSA only became a concern when a prominent guy who worked for Jeff Bezos got into trouble. KSA has been an very, very ugly place for as long as the U.S. has been friendly with it. And its monarchy has worked hand-in-glove with the American ruling class.

I'll say it again: if you are disturbed by this chain of events, you have to acknowledge that this was just the latest in a long line of similar relations between powerful Americans and the Saudi Royals.

So much whataboutism. A crown prince ordered a hit on a journalist critical of his reign and Jared Kushner was his chief apologist and gets a $2bn investment out of it and for you that’s “business as usual.” No it is not and it’s something worthy of a banana republic, not America

You are clearly guilty of WTFism with your silly analysis, but I am in no way guilty of 'whataboutism'.

Javanka's scummy deal is minor variation on a decades old problem that has done serious damage to this country AND propped up the Al-Sauds AND kept Salafist terrorism active. Our ruling class has spent decades coddling terrible, terrible behavior by the Saudi royals. Behavior that includes many, many executions and chronically bad treatment of women+minorities among others. But those deals have meant that Javanka won't get touched, because to do so would be to call out so many other power players that effectively it would be a suicide bomb let off by Javanka's putative opponents.

If Javanka's sweetheart deal bothers you, you should embrace what I'm saying and not play your masters' game of pretending that this stuff is some great anomaly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Jared was one of the leading voices in the Trump admin advocating to keep sanctions and other punishments light for crown prince MbS (aka prince bone spurs) who ordered the killing of dissident Virginia based journalist Khasoggi. that is part of the return on their $2bn investment

Gotta keep that tap open!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Jared was one of the leading voices in the Trump admin advocating to keep sanctions and other punishments light for crown prince MbS (aka prince bone spurs) who ordered the killing of dissident Virginia based journalist Khasoggi. that is part of the return on their $2bn investment

I love how human rights violations by KSA only became a concern when a prominent guy who worked for Jeff Bezos got into trouble. KSA has been an very, very ugly place for as long as the U.S. has been friendly with it. And its monarchy has worked hand-in-glove with the American ruling class.

I'll say it again: if you are disturbed by this chain of events, you have to acknowledge that this was just the latest in a long line of similar relations between powerful Americans and the Saudi Royals.

So much whataboutism. A crown prince ordered a hit on a journalist critical of his reign and Jared Kushner was his chief apologist and gets a $2bn investment out of it and for you that’s “business as usual.” No it is not and it’s something worthy of a banana republic, not America

You are clearly guilty of WTFism with your silly analysis, but I am in no way guilty of 'whataboutism'.

Javanka's scummy deal is minor variation on a decades old problem that has done serious damage to this country AND propped up the Al-Sauds AND kept Salafist terrorism active. Our ruling class has spent decades coddling terrible, terrible behavior by the Saudi royals. Behavior that includes many, many executions and chronically bad treatment of women+minorities among others. But those deals have meant that Javanka won't get touched, because to do so would be to call out so many other power players that effectively it would be a suicide bomb let off by Javanka's putative opponents.

If Javanka's sweetheart deal bothers you, you should embrace what I'm saying and not play your masters' game of pretending that this stuff is some great anomaly.

There is a huge difference between the US turning a blind eye to human rights abuses because we want/need the government’s help in dealing with some foreign policy issue and doing so because the policymakers are getting a guaranteed $25 million/year payoff.

Lots of people are guilty of bad policy, and sure some people trade on their prior government service through lobbying or corporate board seats but Jared is a truly corrupt POS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Jared was one of the leading voices in the Trump admin advocating to keep sanctions and other punishments light for crown prince MbS (aka prince bone spurs) who ordered the killing of dissident Virginia based journalist Khasoggi. that is part of the return on their $2bn investment

I love how human rights violations by KSA only became a concern when a prominent guy who worked for Jeff Bezos got into trouble. KSA has been an very, very ugly place for as long as the U.S. has been friendly with it. And its monarchy has worked hand-in-glove with the American ruling class.

I'll say it again: if you are disturbed by this chain of events, you have to acknowledge that this was just the latest in a long line of similar relations between powerful Americans and the Saudi Royals.

So much whataboutism. A crown prince ordered a hit on a journalist critical of his reign and Jared Kushner was his chief apologist and gets a $2bn investment out of it and for you that’s “business as usual.” No it is not and it’s something worthy of a banana republic, not America

You are clearly guilty of WTFism with your silly analysis, but I am in no way guilty of 'whataboutism'.

Javanka's scummy deal is minor variation on a decades old problem that has done serious damage to this country AND propped up the Al-Sauds AND kept Salafist terrorism active. Our ruling class has spent decades coddling terrible, terrible behavior by the Saudi royals. Behavior that includes many, many executions and chronically bad treatment of women+minorities among others. But those deals have meant that Javanka won't get touched, because to do so would be to call out so many other power players that effectively it would be a suicide bomb let off by Javanka's putative opponents.

If Javanka's sweetheart deal bothers you, you should embrace what I'm saying and not play your masters' game of pretending that this stuff is some great anomaly.

There is a huge difference between the US turning a blind eye to human rights abuses because we want/need the government’s help in dealing with some foreign policy issue and doing so because the policymakers are getting a guaranteed $25 million/year payoff.

Lots of people are guilty of bad policy, and sure some people trade on their prior government service through lobbying or corporate board seats but Jared is a truly corrupt POS.

+1. The USA has turned a blind eye to many Saudi abuses because it needed the saudis as “Allies” in the war on terror. That’s far different from selling your country’s best interests out to line your own pockets.

[Anonymous]

This reminds me of the Showtime show "Billions" about a legitimately criminal Wall Street billionaire. He knows the feds and state AG are obsessed with bringing him down and he's advised to lay low. Instead of laying low he arrogantly goes out and buys a gaudy $50M oceanfront Hamptons mansion, which is promptly splashed across all the front pages.

That's what this $2 billion Saudi "investment" and Jared and Ivanka's rumored $50M mansion in Miami feels like. Jared's so cocky and feels so untouchable, he thinks the feds are too chickensh*t to come for him. He's daring them to try.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because we don’t hold rich and powerful people accountable for anything they do in this country.

This

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As I said up thread, this is a very common ruling class scam. It’s terrible, but until you all realize it started long before Trump or Javanka, you’ll be powerless to stop it.

What a weird feint. Why not just prosecute these two cheating schmoes for their crimes instead of wringing your hands and doing nothing? These two are uniquely horrible.

Psst: it’s not a crime no matter what you think. I share your distaste, but unlike those who lost their minds with the Trumps, I was well aware of how bad (often much worse) it was before.

Go heavy or go home with this stuff: take on the deeper problems.

Cites. Where are are your cites for "often much worse...before"?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because we don’t hold rich and powerful people accountable for anything they do in this country.

This

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As I said up thread, this is a very common ruling class scam. It’s terrible, but until you all realize it started long before Trump or Javanka, you’ll be powerless to stop it.

What a weird feint. Why not just prosecute these two cheating schmoes for their crimes instead of wringing your hands and doing nothing? These two are uniquely horrible.

Psst: it’s not a crime no matter what you think. I share your distaste, but unlike those who lost their minds with the Trumps, I was well aware of how bad (often much worse) it was before.

Go heavy or go home with this stuff: take on the deeper problems.

Cites. Where are are your cites for "often much worse...before"?

You all are massively boring. There are lots of gigs working with Saudi money, Carlyle is the lowest of low-hanging fruit. BUT, the real motherload is Treasury Secretary William E. Simon negotiating, without the State Department, to get the Saudi's to price oil in dollars therefore recycling the surpluses back into dollar-denominated assets and basically creating a Frankenstein's monster financial system. Javanka's$2B of mezz debt (or whatever the terms were, could be preferred equity or something like that) might be a pimple on the monster that is our Simon-warped financial system.

And then there's all the weapons deals, which are whole other set of relationships with much more going on then meets the eye.

Seriously, work on this if you care. But you are lazy and/or uniformed if you don't get that Jared is a low-rent schmuck compared to the big disasters out there. I'd love to put them all in jail, but the judiciary, US attorneys, executive, legislature, etc. have been looking the other way at best at this stuff for decades.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because we don’t hold rich and powerful people accountable for anything they do in this country.

This

+2
As I said up thread, this is a very common ruling class scam. It’s terrible, but until you all realize it started long before Trump or Javanka, you’ll be powerless to stop it.

What a weird feint. Why not just prosecute these two cheating schmoes for their crimes instead of wringing your hands and doing nothing? These two are uniquely horrible.

Psst: it’s not a crime no matter what you think. I share your distaste, but unlike those who lost their minds with the Trumps, I was well aware of how bad (often much worse) it was before.

Go heavy or go home with this stuff: take on the deeper problems.

Cites. Where are are your cites for "often much worse...before"?

You all are massively boring. There are lots of gigs working with Saudi money, Carlyle is the lowest of low-hanging fruit. BUT, the real motherload is Treasury Secretary William E. Simon negotiating, without the State Department, to get the Saudi's to price oil in dollars therefore recycling the surpluses back into dollar-denominated assets and basically creating a Frankenstein's monster financial system. Javanka's$2B of mezz debt (or whatever the terms were, could be preferred equity or something like that) might be a pimple on the monster that is our Simon-warped financial system.

And then there's all the weapons deals, which are whole other set of relationships with much more going on then meets the eye.

Seriously, work on this if you care. But you are lazy and/or uniformed if you don't get that Jared is a low-rent schmuck compared to the big disasters out there. I'd love to put them all in jail, but the judiciary, US attorneys, executive, legislature, etc. have been looking the other way at best at this stuff for decades.

Ooh yes, making a deal to ensure the dollar will be the reserve currency of the world is exactly like making a deal to get a $2 billion private equity slush fund.

Seriously do you not get the difference between those?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because we don’t hold rich and powerful people accountable for anything they do in this country.

This

+2
As I said up thread, this is a very common ruling class scam. It’s terrible, but until you all realize it started long before Trump or Javanka, you’ll be powerless to stop it.

What a weird feint. Why not just prosecute these two cheating schmoes for their crimes instead of wringing your hands and doing nothing? These two are uniquely horrible.

Psst: it’s not a crime no matter what you think. I share your distaste, but unlike those who lost their minds with the Trumps, I was well aware of how bad (often much worse) it was before.

Go heavy or go home with this stuff: take on the deeper problems.

Cites. Where are are your cites for "often much worse...before"?

You all are massively boring. There are lots of gigs working with Saudi money, Carlyle is the lowest of low-hanging fruit. BUT, the real motherload is Treasury Secretary William E. Simon negotiating, without the State Department, to get the Saudi's to price oil in dollars therefore recycling the surpluses back into dollar-denominated assets and basically creating a Frankenstein's monster financial system. Javanka's$2B of mezz debt (or whatever the terms were, could be preferred equity or something like that) might be a pimple on the monster that is our Simon-warped financial system.

And then there's all the weapons deals, which are whole other set of relationships with much more going on then meets the eye.

Seriously, work on this if you care. But you are lazy and/or uniformed if you don't get that Jared is a low-rent schmuck compared to the big disasters out there. I'd love to put them all in jail, but the judiciary, US attorneys, executive, legislature, etc. have been looking the other way at best at this stuff for decades.

Ooh yes, making a deal to ensure the dollar will be the reserve currency of the world is exactly like making a deal to get a $2 billion private equity slush fund.

Seriously do you not get the difference between those?

+1. There is some serious stupid on this thread. None of these examples is the moral equivalent of Javanka personally benefitting to the tune of $2bn. The professional fund managers pointed out the flaws on this deal and the only way one would compensate for the risk on this deal is by assuming that you’ve already gotten part of your return on investment before the deal is inked in the form of influence on US policy and favor for crimes committed (MBS ordering a hit on a dissident.)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Jared was one of the leading voices in the Trump admin advocating to keep sanctions and other punishments light for crown prince MbS (aka prince bone spurs) who ordered the killing of dissident Virginia based journalist Khasoggi. that is part of the return on their $2bn investment

I love how human rights violations by KSA only became a concern when a prominent guy who worked for Jeff Bezos got into trouble. KSA has been an very, very ugly place for as long as the U.S. has been friendly with it. And its monarchy has worked hand-in-glove with the American ruling class.

I'll say it again: if you are disturbed by this chain of events, you have to acknowledge that this was just the latest in a long line of similar relations between powerful Americans and the Saudi Royals.

It doesn’t make what kushner did any better but the US relationship with SA has been icky since at least 9/11.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Jared was one of the leading voices in the Trump admin advocating to keep sanctions and other punishments light for crown prince MbS (aka prince bone spurs) who ordered the killing of dissident Virginia based journalist Khasoggi. that is part of the return on their $2bn investment

I love how human rights violations by KSA only became a concern when a prominent guy who worked for Jeff Bezos got into trouble. KSA has been an very, very ugly place for as long as the U.S. has been friendly with it. And its monarchy has worked hand-in-glove with the American ruling class.

I'll say it again: if you are disturbed by this chain of events, you have to acknowledge that this was just the latest in a long line of similar relations between powerful Americans and the Saudi Royals.

It doesn’t make what kushner did any better but the US relationship with SA has been icky since at least 9/11.

There’s a big difference between picking between the lesser of two evils because you’re trying (however misguidedly) to keep America safe and getting a personal payoff of $2 bn due to your role as a former government employee.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because we don’t hold rich and powerful people accountable for anything they do in this country.

This

+2
As I said up thread, this is a very common ruling class scam. It’s terrible, but until you all realize it started long before Trump or Javanka, you’ll be powerless to stop it.

What a weird feint. Why not just prosecute these two cheating schmoes for their crimes instead of wringing your hands and doing nothing? These two are uniquely horrible.

Psst: it’s not a crime no matter what you think. I share your distaste, but unlike those who lost their minds with the Trumps, I was well aware of how bad (often much worse) it was before.

Go heavy or go home with this stuff: take on the deeper problems.

Guiding foreign policy toward the nation that can fill your own wallet isn’t a “deeper problem”?

IDK, PP that you can claim the USA kiss uppance to Saudi interests is a NEW THING

After All, H.W. Bush had that Capital venture group


.....and then there is the matter of US DOJ has let the Saudi Gov't slide on being the financiers of the 9/11 attacks that KILLED 3,000 Americans and STILL the 9/11 families are not given the truth- by EVERY sitting president since 9/11 including Obama

Now, that, is disgusting