When are Pfizer/moderna submitting data for Under 5s

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why are you all annoyed at the vaccine approval process when you need to be mad at the CDC and local authorities who recommended and imposed unwarranted restrictions on children? It was stupid to do it before vaccines were available and it’s insane now the actual vulnerable population (adults) has been vaccinated and the restrictions have been lifted on them. The vaccine trials are just proving what we knew already — children were never at risk.

I am. I’ve wrote countless emails. No one cares. Meanwhile our daycare (and likely the other parents there) thinks I’m a horrible parent for not continuing to mask my 3yo “until they can be protected.”

Have you ever considered maybe you are wrong? Its not so much the children that are at risk but the adults they live with.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why are you all annoyed at the vaccine approval process when you need to be mad at the CDC and local authorities who recommended and imposed unwarranted restrictions on children? It was stupid to do it before vaccines were available and it’s insane now the actual vulnerable population (adults) has been vaccinated and the restrictions have been lifted on them. The vaccine trials are just proving what we knew already — children were never at risk.

I am. I’ve wrote countless emails. No one cares. Meanwhile our daycare (and likely the other parents there) thinks I’m a horrible parent for not continuing to mask my 3yo “until they can be protected.”

Have you ever considered maybe you are wrong? Its not so much the children that are at risk but the adults they live with.

If a vaccinated adult member of the house of is that vulnerable, group childcare is probably not the appropriate setting for their child.

[Anonymous]

My kids are older but I live across the street from a daycare in Moco. I think its absurd that they require 2 year olds to wear masks outside while running around. If they aren't at risk for severe disease, why is this still a requirement? To protect adults who can now pretty mich not mask anywhere? Makes no sense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My kids are older but I live across the street from a daycare in Moco. I think its absurd that they require 2 year olds to wear masks outside while running around. If they aren't at risk for severe disease, why is this still a requirement? To protect adults who can now pretty mich not mask anywhere? Makes no sense.

Mine is like this too (also MoCo). None of it makes sense anymore. They say they’re still waiting on CDC to specifically update their guidance for childcares/early education. 🤦‍♀️

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I seriously think it may never happen. The under-5 population very unlikely to experience severe disease, by orders of magnitude. The efficacy against Omicron and whatever comes next is going to be too low to justify the blanket vaccination of under-5s. Basically, unless a kid has some kind of co-morbidity, I think this is going to be a 5-and-up vaccine.

I sort of agree with this. I’m extremely pro vaccine myself and am upset there doesn’t seem to be an effective vaccine for kids, but it doesn’t sound like the current vaccines are doing much to prevent infection, spread or side effects in the under 5s and it seems questionable to enforce mass inoculation if that is the case. If that is true, I hope the CDC just comes out and says it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My kids are older but I live across the street from a daycare in Moco. I think its absurd that they require 2 year olds to wear masks outside while running around. If they aren't at risk for severe disease, why is this still a requirement? To protect adults who can now pretty mich not mask anywhere? Makes no sense.

Mine is like this too (also MoCo). None of it makes sense anymore. They say they’re still waiting on CDC to specifically update their guidance for childcares/early education. 🤦‍♀️

My almost 3 year old hasn’t worn a mask ever. Daycares in Va don’t have to require masks until age 5. It’s insane that people are trying to mask toddlers. They have to take off their masks to sleep. Completely defeats the purpose.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why are you all annoyed at the vaccine approval process when you need to be mad at the CDC and local authorities who recommended and imposed unwarranted restrictions on children? It was stupid to do it before vaccines were available and it’s insane now the actual vulnerable population (adults) has been vaccinated and the restrictions have been lifted on them. The vaccine trials are just proving what we knew already — children were never at risk.

I am. I’ve wrote countless emails. No one cares. Meanwhile our daycare (and likely the other parents there) thinks I’m a horrible parent for not continuing to mask my 3yo “until they can be protected.”

The die-hard maskers aren’t going to stop masking their kids once they’re vaccinated anyway. I have one DC in a preK program where at this point all the kids in the class are 5 (it’s the older of two preKs at the center) and I know from talking to parents that most if not all of the kids are vaccinated, yet all except 2 are still masked. Similar with my older DC in MCPS although slightly more seem to be unmasked. I’m honestly not sure what will be enough for these people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why are you all annoyed at the vaccine approval process when you need to be mad at the CDC and local authorities who recommended and imposed unwarranted restrictions on children? It was stupid to do it before vaccines were available and it’s insane now the actual vulnerable population (adults) has been vaccinated and the restrictions have been lifted on them. The vaccine trials are just proving what we knew already — children were never at risk.

I am. I’ve wrote countless emails. No one cares. Meanwhile our daycare (and likely the other parents there) thinks I’m a horrible parent for not continuing to mask my 3yo “until they can be protected.”

Have you ever considered maybe you are wrong? Its not so much the children that are at risk but the adults they live with.

If a vaccinated adult member of the house of is that vulnerable, group childcare is probably not the appropriate setting for their child.

This, plus: 1. Masks on 3 year olds don't work (show me the data if you want to disagree), and 2. Vaccines don't prevent mild infections and transmission.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why are you all annoyed at the vaccine approval process when you need to be mad at the CDC and local authorities who recommended and imposed unwarranted restrictions on children? It was stupid to do it before vaccines were available and it’s insane now the actual vulnerable population (adults) has been vaccinated and the restrictions have been lifted on them. The vaccine trials are just proving what we knew already — children were never at risk.

I am. I’ve wrote countless emails. No one cares. Meanwhile our daycare (and likely the other parents there) thinks I’m a horrible parent for not continuing to mask my 3yo “until they can be protected.”

The die-hard maskers aren’t going to stop masking their kids once they’re vaccinated anyway. I have one DC in a preK program where at this point all the kids in the class are 5 (it’s the older of two preKs at the center) and I know from talking to parents that most if not all of the kids are vaccinated, yet all except 2 are still masked. Similar with my older DC in MCPS although slightly more seem to be unmasked. I’m honestly not sure what will be enough for these people.

It can be a real addiction, as the Japanese (with their masking culture) have known for a long time:

https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/mask-appeal

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why are you all annoyed at the vaccine approval process when you need to be mad at the CDC and local authorities who recommended and imposed unwarranted restrictions on children? It was stupid to do it before vaccines were available and it’s insane now the actual vulnerable population (adults) has been vaccinated and the restrictions have been lifted on them. The vaccine trials are just proving what we knew already — children were never at risk.

I am. I’ve wrote countless emails. No one cares. Meanwhile our daycare (and likely the other parents there) thinks I’m a horrible parent for not continuing to mask my 3yo “until they can be protected.”

The die-hard maskers aren’t going to stop masking their kids once they’re vaccinated anyway. I have one DC in a preK program where at this point all the kids in the class are 5 (it’s the older of two preKs at the center) and I know from talking to parents that most if not all of the kids are vaccinated, yet all except 2 are still masked. Similar with my older DC in MCPS although slightly more seem to be unmasked. I’m honestly not sure what will be enough for these people.

Lots of 5 year olds have younger siblings. Maybe the vaccinated household members mask to increase protection for the unvaccinated in their home.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why are you all annoyed at the vaccine approval process when you need to be mad at the CDC and local authorities who recommended and imposed unwarranted restrictions on children? It was stupid to do it before vaccines were available and it’s insane now the actual vulnerable population (adults) has been vaccinated and the restrictions have been lifted on them. The vaccine trials are just proving what we knew already — children were never at risk.

I am. I’ve wrote countless emails. No one cares. Meanwhile our daycare (and likely the other parents there) thinks I’m a horrible parent for not continuing to mask my 3yo “until they can be protected.”

The die-hard maskers aren’t going to stop masking their kids once they’re vaccinated anyway. I have one DC in a preK program where at this point all the kids in the class are 5 (it’s the older of two preKs at the center) and I know from talking to parents that most if not all of the kids are vaccinated, yet all except 2 are still masked. Similar with my older DC in MCPS although slightly more seem to be unmasked. I’m honestly not sure what will be enough for these people.

Lots of 5 year olds have younger siblings. Maybe the vaccinated household members mask to increase protection for the unvaccinated in their home.

In that case I’m curious what the long term strategy will be if an effective vaccine schedule for under 5s is never authorized. Every household member masks until the youngest turns 5? Kids under 5 very rarely need treatment to begin with so even though I know of sone adults who are hoping for better treatments before they ditch masks I’m not sure how this would work for kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why are you all annoyed at the vaccine approval process when you need to be mad at the CDC and local authorities who recommended and imposed unwarranted restrictions on children? It was stupid to do it before vaccines were available and it’s insane now the actual vulnerable population (adults) has been vaccinated and the restrictions have been lifted on them. The vaccine trials are just proving what we knew already — children were never at risk.

I am. I’ve wrote countless emails. No one cares. Meanwhile our daycare (and likely the other parents there) thinks I’m a horrible parent for not continuing to mask my 3yo “until they can be protected.”

Have you ever considered maybe you are wrong? Its not so much the children that are at risk but the adults they live with.

If a vaccinated adult member of the house of is that vulnerable, group childcare is probably not the appropriate setting for their child.

This, plus: 1. Masks on 3 year olds don't work (show me the data if you want to disagree), and 2. Vaccines don't prevent mild infections and transmission.

+1. Of the studies I’ve seen, at best masking reduced transmission by ~25% in school settings. Not daycare settings, where the kids are taking their masks off more often and don’t generally wear them as well. Even if that 25% reduction was similar in daycare settings, you could argue while that still may be worthwhile at a community level, that’s not going to be enough of a risk reduction for most truly vulnerable families. The families I know IRL that have significant risks have not returned to daycare. Some have kids in virtual school, another sent their kindergartner in person this year but the kid wears a KN95 at all times and the parents got permission for them to eat lunch outside every day (outside lunch is generally on a rotation).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why are you all annoyed at the vaccine approval process when you need to be mad at the CDC and local authorities who recommended and imposed unwarranted restrictions on children? It was stupid to do it before vaccines were available and it’s insane now the actual vulnerable population (adults) has been vaccinated and the restrictions have been lifted on them. The vaccine trials are just proving what we knew already — children were never at risk.

I am. I’ve wrote countless emails. No one cares. Meanwhile our daycare (and likely the other parents there) thinks I’m a horrible parent for not continuing to mask my 3yo “until they can be protected.”

Have you ever considered maybe you are wrong? Its not so much the children that are at risk but the adults they live with.

The vaccines don't really protect against infection though, they just reduce the severity if you do get it. This whole notion that we have to get vaccinated to protect others needs to be thrown out the window.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why are you all annoyed at the vaccine approval process when you need to be mad at the CDC and local authorities who recommended and imposed unwarranted restrictions on children? It was stupid to do it before vaccines were available and it’s insane now the actual vulnerable population (adults) has been vaccinated and the restrictions have been lifted on them. The vaccine trials are just proving what we knew already — children were never at risk.

I am. I’ve wrote countless emails. No one cares. Meanwhile our daycare (and likely the other parents there) thinks I’m a horrible parent for not continuing to mask my 3yo “until they can be protected.”

Have you ever considered maybe you are wrong? Its not so much the children that are at risk but the adults they live with.

If a vaccinated adult member of the house of is that vulnerable, group childcare is probably not the appropriate setting for their child.

This, plus: 1. Masks on 3 year olds don't work (show me the data if you want to disagree), and 2. Vaccines don't prevent mild infections and transmission.

+1. Of the studies I’ve seen, at best masking reduced transmission by ~25% in school settings. Not daycare settings, where the kids are taking their masks off more often and don’t generally wear them as well. Even if that 25% reduction was similar in daycare settings, you could argue while that still may be worthwhile at a community level, that’s not going to be enough of a risk reduction for most truly vulnerable families. The families I know IRL that have significant risks have not returned to daycare. Some have kids in virtual school, another sent their kindergartner in person this year but the kid wears a KN95 at all times and the parents got permission for them to eat lunch outside every day (outside lunch is generally on a rotation).

Is the child going to eat outside and wear a KN95 forever? I doubt the school will accommodate that indefinitely.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why are you all annoyed at the vaccine approval process when you need to be mad at the CDC and local authorities who recommended and imposed unwarranted restrictions on children? It was stupid to do it before vaccines were available and it’s insane now the actual vulnerable population (adults) has been vaccinated and the restrictions have been lifted on them. The vaccine trials are just proving what we knew already — children were never at risk.

I am. I’ve wrote countless emails. No one cares. Meanwhile our daycare (and likely the other parents there) thinks I’m a horrible parent for not continuing to mask my 3yo “until they can be protected.”

Have you ever considered maybe you are wrong? Its not so much the children that are at risk but the adults they live with.

If a vaccinated adult member of the house of is that vulnerable, group childcare is probably not the appropriate setting for their child.

This, plus: 1. Masks on 3 year olds don't work (show me the data if you want to disagree), and 2. Vaccines don't prevent mild infections and transmission.

+1. Of the studies I’ve seen, at best masking reduced transmission by ~25% in school settings. Not daycare settings, where the kids are taking their masks off more often and don’t generally wear them as well. Even if that 25% reduction was similar in daycare settings, you could argue while that still may be worthwhile at a community level, that’s not going to be enough of a risk reduction for most truly vulnerable families. The families I know IRL that have significant risks have not returned to daycare. Some have kids in virtual school, another sent their kindergartner in person this year but the kid wears a KN95 at all times and the parents got permission for them to eat lunch outside every day (outside lunch is generally on a rotation).

Have you seen the recent studies from Spain and Finland? They are better (less confounded) than anything this country has put out, and they show zero effect from school mask mandates.