BIPOC is a term that excludes Asian immigrants or American born Asian-Americans.

[Anonymous]

Indian-American here. I consider myself a POC, however I don't really relate to under represented minorities except here on DCUM where there is a lot of hatred and racism towards Indian-Americans (even by people who are married or related to them!).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Asians and Asian Americans are people of color, POC.

In order to distinguish and to focus on issues specifically relating to Black and Indigenous people, the term BIPOC was created.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/BIPOC

"POC is widely used as an umbrella term for all people of color, but now a different acronym is suddenly gaining traction on the internet—BIPOC, which stands for Black, Indigenous, People of Color. People are using the term to acknowledge that not all people of color face equal levels of injustice. They say BIPOC is significant in recognizing that Black and Indigenous people are severely impacted by systemic racial injustices."
— Chevaz Clarke

Hello, what about the internment of Japanese AMERICANS during WWII? This quote is oversimplifying things.

Right, but compare that to 400 years of slavery or near-total genocide. It's not that there was/is no injustice against Asians (or Latinos or middle Eastern ppl), it's that the injustices perpetrated on Black and Indigenous ppl are worse

I'd like to meet the 400-year-old people who suffered all of that.

Many people other than "BIPOCS" have experienced unimaginable hardship and injustice both here and abroad (looking at you Vietnamese "boat people", Holocaust survivors, Rwanda genocide survivors, various refugees of civil war and starvation, etc...)

They didn't suffer in United States. Just like in India where there's a caste system I know that it exists but I don't know how the people are separated. I can read about it I can learn about it I can assume lots of things from living there but as a white person if I go into India I'm assumed under some other type of classification.

African Americans and indigenous people in this country specifically the US have been systematically and categorically oppressed by the laws and through social and cultural means. You do not experience the same type of racism that a black or indigenous person has to go up against. The bias towards black and indigenous people is very different than the bias towards Asians or even Jewish or Hispanic, the latter two being ethnicities.

There is literally no benefit to being black or indigenous in this country. None whatsoever.

They are absolute benefits to the bias against Asians.

You can’t be serious.

When it comes to any type of police interaction and or sentencing and or actually even charging Asians versus blacks and or indigenous people. Asians 100% are less likely to get stopped more likely to get a plea that doesn't involve jail time for the exact same crime and when sentence be sentenced less.

Asian men and women make more money than white Black or Hispanic counterparts with the same education and same job.

Where's the banging of the drums for all education improvement? Where is the equal policing and sentencing etc etc? Where's the equal pay support and transparency for pay?

If all I hear you can complaining about in this world is some admission to some dumb School- whether it be TJ or Harvard- it isn't discrimination or racism you care about it's your own ascension.

[Anonymous]

Asians haven't suffered brutal acts of repression in the United States?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_Springs_massacre
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles_Chinese_massacre_of_1871
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hells_Canyon_Massacre
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seattle_riot_of_1886
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attack_on_Squak_Valley_Chinese_laborers,_1885
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tacoma_riot_of_1885

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Asians haven't suffered brutal acts of repression in the United States?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_Springs_massacre
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles_Chinese_massacre_of_1871
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hells_Canyon_Massacre
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seattle_riot_of_1886
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attack_on_Squak_Valley_Chinese_laborers,_1885
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tacoma_riot_of_1885

Wow okay so you want to go tit for tat on what happened when..... so do you want a timeline starting from the 1800s is that our baseline?

Should we keep within the last 50 years 100 years? Are we going to talk about one-on-one Acts or like government-sponsored Acts?

I can't take you seriously when you talk about a bunch of white miners riding against Chinese miners over 200 years ago. I am literally talking about laws and systematic oppression and state sponsored acts. Because the deal with state sponsored acts is that it goes all the way from the top down to the bottom it's not just about some lowly white Hicks committing acts of violence. There's a difference between turning a blind eye to acts of aggression/retaliation/violence (which is not ok) and actually sponsoring it.

[Anonymous]

I’m a POC that is not black or Native American.

Why would I call myself BIPOC instead of POC?

If you want Black or Indigenous to stand out from POC, why not just say it? Say Black or say Indigenous (though I’ve never heard a Native American say they are indigenous, usually they say Indian).

Either we stand as one as POC or we stand with our respective ‘shades’. That’s what BIPOC does. It segregates the shades. Like the way White people do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Asians and Asian Americans are people of color, POC.

In order to distinguish and to focus on issues specifically relating to Black and Indigenous people, the term BIPOC was created.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/BIPOC

"POC is widely used as an umbrella term for all people of color, but now a different acronym is suddenly gaining traction on the internet—BIPOC, which stands for Black, Indigenous, People of Color. People are using the term to acknowledge that not all people of color face equal levels of injustice. They say BIPOC is significant in recognizing that Black and Indigenous people are severely impacted by systemic racial injustices."
— Chevaz Clarke

I'm confused. You stated Asians are POCs.

BIPOC includes 3 groups:
Black
Indigenous
People of Color

so... aren't Asian's BIPOCs because they are POCs?

You are missing the intersectional aspect. It's not a union, it's an intersection.

So a person has to be Black, Indigenous, _and_ POC in order to be BIPOC? That doesn't make sense -- aren't Black people already POC? Why have the POC at all at this point?

[Anonymous]

Asians are POC right?



or not:

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The point of BIPOC (in my understanding) is to put extra emphasis on Black/Indigenous because of the extreme historical injustices against them. But the POC part still covers all other non-whites i.e. Asians, Latinx, Middle Easterners.

Personally I think it's confusing and kind of silly but it's the term du jour.

I'm not sure Middle Eastern people are widely considered POC.

Middle Eastern aren't POC? What would you call him?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Asians haven't suffered brutal acts of repression in the United States?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_Springs_massacre
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles_Chinese_massacre_of_1871
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hells_Canyon_Massacre
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seattle_riot_of_1886
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attack_on_Squak_Valley_Chinese_laborers,_1885
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tacoma_riot_of_1885

Wow okay so you want to go tit for tat on what happened when..... so do you want a timeline starting from the 1800s is that our baseline?

Should we keep within the last 50 years 100 years? Are we going to talk about one-on-one Acts or like government-sponsored Acts?

I can't take you seriously when you talk about a bunch of white miners riding against Chinese miners over 200 years ago. I am literally talking about laws and systematic oppression and state sponsored acts. Because the deal with state sponsored acts is that it goes all the way from the top down to the bottom it's not just about some lowly white Hicks committing acts of violence. There's a difference between turning a blind eye to acts of aggression/retaliation/violence (which is not ok) and actually sponsoring it.

So you're saying that because the Chinese were not brought here in large numbers before the 1860s (many of whom came in conditions that would be considered debt bondage or forced labor) today, their sufferings don't count? And, in terms of government action, what about the Chinese Exclusion Act? Chinese are the ONLY race to have ever been specifically barred from immigrating to the U.S. If that isn't government-sponsored racism, I don't know what is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Asians haven't suffered brutal acts of repression in the United States?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_Springs_massacre
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles_Chinese_massacre_of_1871
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hells_Canyon_Massacre
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seattle_riot_of_1886
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attack_on_Squak_Valley_Chinese_laborers,_1885
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tacoma_riot_of_1885

Wow okay so you want to go tit for tat on what happened when..... so do you want a timeline starting from the 1800s is that our baseline?

Should we keep within the last 50 years 100 years? Are we going to talk about one-on-one Acts or like government-sponsored Acts?

I can't take you seriously when you talk about a bunch of white miners riding against Chinese miners over 200 years ago. I am literally talking about laws and systematic oppression and state sponsored acts. Because the deal with state sponsored acts is that it goes all the way from the top down to the bottom it's not just about some lowly white Hicks committing acts of violence. There's a difference between turning a blind eye to acts of aggression/retaliation/violence (which is not ok) and actually sponsoring it.

So you're saying that because the Chinese were not brought here in large numbers before the 1860s (many of whom came in conditions that would be considered debt bondage or forced labor) today, their sufferings don't count? And, in terms of government action, what about the Chinese Exclusion Act? Chinese are the ONLY race to have ever been specifically barred from immigrating to the U.S. If that isn't government-sponsored racism, I don't know what is.

I think there's a point where you have to understand that bringing up a state-sponsored act from 200 years ago minimizes the validity of your argument when in the 200 years that have passed since then it has literally been nonstop state sponsored acts against blacks and indigenous people. You're talking about lynchings from the 1800s. The last recorded lynching of a black man was in the seventies... 1970s. Their sufferings absolutely count this isn't about being counted and to say that I'm stating such is really arguing in bad faith. Every single immigrant population in the United States has experienced some form of discrimination or racism. Italian Americans Germans Jews Chinese Hispanics. I don't discount their experiences but when you continue to talk about something that happened 240 years ago but aren't willing to see that the injustices against black people are still ongoing when it comes to well pick .... Housing medical treatment salary crime.....

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Asians haven't suffered brutal acts of repression in the United States?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_Springs_massacre
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles_Chinese_massacre_of_1871
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hells_Canyon_Massacre
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seattle_riot_of_1886
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attack_on_Squak_Valley_Chinese_laborers,_1885
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tacoma_riot_of_1885

Wow okay so you want to go tit for tat on what happened when..... so do you want a timeline starting from the 1800s is that our baseline?

Should we keep within the last 50 years 100 years? Are we going to talk about one-on-one Acts or like government-sponsored Acts?

I can't take you seriously when you talk about a bunch of white miners riding against Chinese miners over 200 years ago. I am literally talking about laws and systematic oppression and state sponsored acts. Because the deal with state sponsored acts is that it goes all the way from the top down to the bottom it's not just about some lowly white Hicks committing acts of violence. There's a difference between turning a blind eye to acts of aggression/retaliation/violence (which is not ok) and actually sponsoring it.

So you're saying that because the Chinese were not brought here in large numbers before the 1860s (many of whom came in conditions that would be considered debt bondage or forced labor) today, their sufferings don't count? And, in terms of government action, what about the Chinese Exclusion Act? Chinese are the ONLY race to have ever been specifically barred from immigrating to the U.S. If that isn't government-sponsored racism, I don't know what is.

I think there's a point where you have to understand that bringing up a state-sponsored act from 200 years ago minimizes the validity of your argument when in the 200 years that have passed since then it has literally been nonstop state sponsored acts against blacks and indigenous people. You're talking about lynchings from the 1800s. The last recorded lynching of a black man was in the seventies... 1970s. Their sufferings absolutely count this isn't about being counted and to say that I'm stating such is really arguing in bad faith. Every single immigrant population in the United States has experienced some form of discrimination or racism. Italian Americans Germans Jews Chinese Hispanics. I don't discount their experiences but when you continue to talk about something that happened 240 years ago but aren't willing to see that the injustices against black people are still ongoing when it comes to well pick .... Housing medical treatment salary crime.....

I feel like it is disingenuous and unproductive to frame this as some sort of sick contest. There is so much wrong with this "BIPOC" framing. The people who use it seem to have very little understanding of the histories of other peoples and ideological blinders that make it impossible for them to see beyond their own causes. I get that there is a very noisy school of thought that is currently popular enough to build some serious echo chambers, but that doesn't make its proponents right or honest.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Asians haven't suffered brutal acts of repression in the United States?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_Springs_massacre
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles_Chinese_massacre_of_1871
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hells_Canyon_Massacre
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seattle_riot_of_1886
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attack_on_Squak_Valley_Chinese_laborers,_1885
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tacoma_riot_of_1885

Wow okay so you want to go tit for tat on what happened when..... so do you want a timeline starting from the 1800s is that our baseline?

Should we keep within the last 50 years 100 years? Are we going to talk about one-on-one Acts or like government-sponsored Acts?

I can't take you seriously when you talk about a bunch of white miners riding against Chinese miners over 200 years ago. I am literally talking about laws and systematic oppression and state sponsored acts. Because the deal with state sponsored acts is that it goes all the way from the top down to the bottom it's not just about some lowly white Hicks committing acts of violence. There's a difference between turning a blind eye to acts of aggression/retaliation/violence (which is not ok) and actually sponsoring it.

So you're saying that because the Chinese were not brought here in large numbers before the 1860s (many of whom came in conditions that would be considered debt bondage or forced labor) today, their sufferings don't count? And, in terms of government action, what about the Chinese Exclusion Act? Chinese are the ONLY race to have ever been specifically barred from immigrating to the U.S. If that isn't government-sponsored racism, I don't know what is.

I think there's a point where you have to understand that bringing up a state-sponsored act from 200 years ago minimizes the validity of your argument when in the 200 years that have passed since then it has literally been nonstop state sponsored acts against blacks and indigenous people. You're talking about lynchings from the 1800s. The last recorded lynching of a black man was in the seventies... 1970s. Their sufferings absolutely count this isn't about being counted and to say that I'm stating such is really arguing in bad faith. Every single immigrant population in the United States has experienced some form of discrimination or racism. Italian Americans Germans Jews Chinese Hispanics. I don't discount their experiences but when you continue to talk about something that happened 240 years ago but aren't willing to see that the injustices against black people are still ongoing when it comes to well pick .... Housing medical treatment salary crime.....

I feel like it is disingenuous and unproductive to frame this as some sort of sick contest. There is so much wrong with this "BIPOC" framing. The people who use it seem to have very little understanding of the histories of other peoples and ideological blinders that make it impossible for them to see beyond their own causes. I get that there is a very noisy school of thought that is currently popular enough to build some serious echo chambers, but that doesn't make its proponents right or honest.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Asians and Asian Americans are people of color, POC.

In order to distinguish and to focus on issues specifically relating to Black and Indigenous people, the term BIPOC was created.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/BIPOC

"POC is widely used as an umbrella term for all people of color, but now a different acronym is suddenly gaining traction on the internet—BIPOC, which stands for Black, Indigenous, People of Color. People are using the term to acknowledge that not all people of color face equal levels of injustice. They say BIPOC is significant in recognizing that Black and Indigenous people are severely impacted by systemic racial injustices."
— Chevaz Clarke

Hello, what about the internment of Japanese AMERICANS during WWII? This quote is oversimplifying things.

Right, but compare that to 400 years of slavery or near-total genocide. It's not that there was/is no injustice against Asians (or Latinos or middle Eastern ppl), it's that the injustices perpetrated on Black and Indigenous ppl are worse

I'd like to meet the 400-year-old people who suffered all of that.

Many people other than "BIPOCS" have experienced unimaginable hardship and injustice both here and abroad (looking at you Vietnamese "boat people", Holocaust survivors, Rwanda genocide survivors, various refugees of civil war and starvation, etc...)

They didn't suffer in United States. Just like in India where there's a caste system I know that it exists but I don't know how the people are separated. I can read about it I can learn about it I can assume lots of things from living there but as a white person if I go into India I'm assumed under some other type of classification.

African Americans and indigenous people in this country specifically the US have been systematically and categorically oppressed by the laws and through social and cultural means. You do not experience the same type of racism that a black or indigenous person has to go up against. The bias towards black and indigenous people is very different than the bias towards Asians or even Jewish or Hispanic, the latter two being ethnicities.

There is literally no benefit to being black or indigenous in this country. None whatsoever.

They are absolute benefits to the bias against Asians.

So you think that Indians who come from lower castes here in American don't continue to face discrimination simplify because they are in America now? Just because you, as a white person, doesn't understand this discrimination exists... doesn't mean it does not exist. Wow. That's like... the whole point of this. It's not suppose to be viewed from the white lens.

[Anonymous]

We (in general) should all be aware of the limitations of our lenses.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Asians and Asian Americans are people of color, POC.

In order to distinguish and to focus on issues specifically relating to Black and Indigenous people, the term BIPOC was created.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/BIPOC

"POC is widely used as an umbrella term for all people of color, but now a different acronym is suddenly gaining traction on the internet—BIPOC, which stands for Black, Indigenous, People of Color. People are using the term to acknowledge that not all people of color face equal levels of injustice. They say BIPOC is significant in recognizing that Black and Indigenous people are severely impacted by systemic racial injustices."
— Chevaz Clarke

Hello, what about the internment of Japanese AMERICANS during WWII? This quote is oversimplifying things.

Right, but compare that to 400 years of slavery or near-total genocide. It's not that there was/is no injustice against Asians (or Latinos or middle Eastern ppl), it's that the injustices perpetrated on Black and Indigenous ppl are worse

I'd like to meet the 400-year-old people who suffered all of that.

Many people other than "BIPOCS" have experienced unimaginable hardship and injustice both here and abroad (looking at you Vietnamese "boat people", Holocaust survivors, Rwanda genocide survivors, various refugees of civil war and starvation, etc...)

They didn't suffer in United States. Just like in India where there's a caste system I know that it exists but I don't know how the people are separated. I can read about it I can learn about it I can assume lots of things from living there but as a white person if I go into India I'm assumed under some other type of classification.

African Americans and indigenous people in this country specifically the US have been systematically and categorically oppressed by the laws and through social and cultural means. You do not experience the same type of racism that a black or indigenous person has to go up against. The bias towards black and indigenous people is very different than the bias towards Asians or even Jewish or Hispanic, the latter two being ethnicities.

There is literally no benefit to being black or indigenous in this country. None whatsoever.

They are absolute benefits to the bias against Asians.

So you think that Indians who come from lower castes here in American don't continue to face discrimination simplify because they are in America now? Just because you, as a white person, doesn't understand this discrimination exists... doesn't mean it does not exist. Wow. That's like... the whole point of this. It's not suppose to be viewed from the white lens.

So immigrants come to what was an overwhelmingly white country until very, very recently, then discriminate against their own former countrymen from different castes, and that discrimination should not be viewed from a "white lens" and "brown people" who voluntarily chose to live in the aforementioned white majority country should receive special consideration as "BIPOC" because of their suffering? Am I getting this correctly?

The vast majority of Asians in the United States arrived since 1980 for economic gain or were born to parents who arrived in that group. You don't get to latch on to the Chinese Exclusion Act or Japanese Internment for suffering brownie points.