What are “average” ECs?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Leadership in school club/team is considered average for ivies

Oops, then what is considered excellent?

Student Body President

Disagree. That is excellent for UVA, not Harvard.

DS actually is at Harvard with absolutely no hooks and Student Body President. Top stats but everyone at Harvard has top stats.

He probably got in as an original thought leader, expected a unique contribution to the community, or rare intellect. It was definitely not student body president unless he transformed the school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Leadership in school club/team is considered average for ivies

Oops, then what is considered excellent?

Student Body President

Disagree. That is excellent for UVA, not Harvard.

DS actually is at Harvard with absolutely no hooks and Student Body President. Top stats but everyone at Harvard has top stats.

Student body presidents at St. Albans and GDS this year both just got into Harvard.

Harvard likes leaders.

They had a lot going for them to be student body president. You don't actually know their activities outside of school and most of the kids at the top of big3 student body have a lot of parental support financially and in setting them up to win. (like the mom manages her son's commitments fulltime)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Leadership in school club/team is considered average for ivies

Oops, then what is considered excellent?

Student Body President

Disagree. That is excellent for UVA, not Harvard.

DS actually is at Harvard with absolutely no hooks and Student Body President. Top stats but everyone at Harvard has top stats.

He probably got in as an original thought leader, expected a unique contribution to the community, or rare intellect. It was definitely not student body president unless he transformed the school.

If he was at a large public high school, it clearly was the Student Body President that got him over the hump. Come on, guys, that’s impressive.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Leadership in school club/team is considered average for ivies

Oops, then what is considered excellent?

Student Body President

Disagree. That is excellent for UVA, not Harvard.

DS actually is at Harvard with absolutely no hooks and Student Body President. Top stats but everyone at Harvard has top stats.

He probably got in as an original thought leader, expected a unique contribution to the community, or rare intellect. It was definitely not student body president unless he transformed the school.

Do you know a Student Body President with top stats who wasn’t accepted into Harvard?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’ll never forget the poster with the cool kid and unusual ECs: bag piper and chocolatier! He was at expert level on both.

+1. And the taekwondo black belt who started a self-defense program in her high school.

Wow! My kid is so usual.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Leadership in school club/team is considered average for ivies

Oops, then what is considered excellent?

Student Body President

I think this would ust be good

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Leadership in school club/team is considered average for ivies

Oops, then what is considered excellent?

Student Body President

Disagree. That is excellent for UVA, not Harvard.

DS actually is at Harvard with absolutely no hooks and Student Body President. Top stats but everyone at Harvard has top stats.

He probably got in as an original thought leader, expected a unique contribution to the community, or rare intellect. It was definitely not student body president unless he transformed the school.

Do you know a Student Body President with top stats who wasn’t accepted into Harvard?

I don’t know what the difference is between Student Body Pres and Class Pres but my kid has been Class Pres 3 yrs in a row and is dealing with a deferral and rejection ED 1 and 2.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m very interested in this thread as DD has low EC’s at the moment. She gets tutoring twice/week, has one outside activity, and hasn’t joined a single club at school. She says none of them sound good. I’m trying to explain to her that she needs to do something.

All I can te so far is that for any given level of selectivity, there is a level of ECs that is sub-par, a level that is neutral, and a level that helps your application compared to others applying at that level.

I don’t know what that is for different schools, and I especially don’t know how to communicate to DD (10th grade) that while I want her to follow her interests, she needs to be interested in something.

The solution is just for her to focus on applying to schools that aren’t as selective or obsessed about ECs and that love her for who she is. If your kid is studying, turning things in and getting good grades now, with all of the COVID commotion going on, and a school doesn’t respect that, and it wants your kid to jump through EC hoops for the sake of having flashy ECs, it doesn’t deserve your kid.

[Anonymous]

Where can I find this 1 to 5 ranking with examples of each category? A couple of PPs speak so confidently that such a quantitative framework exists.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Where can I find this 1 to 5 ranking with examples of each category? A couple of PPs speak so confidently that such a quantitative framework exists.

I assume they’re referencing the info revealed through the Harvard litigation.

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Anonymous wrote:Where can I find this 1 to 5 ranking with examples of each category? A couple of PPs speak so confidently that such a quantitative framework exists.

I assume they’re referencing the info revealed through the Harvard litigation.

Which, obviously, doesn’t necessarily apply to other schools, particularly less selective ones than Harvard. But it’s the only published info I’m aware of. I wouldn’t be surprised if other schools use a similar scheme.