Police Brutality at Purdue

[Anonymous]

Aren't these the types of alleged matters where social workers and/or counselors should be brought to the scence if there is reasoanble suspicion? No idea if there was here.

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Anonymous wrote:Aren't these the types of alleged matters where social workers and/or counselors should be brought to the scence if there is reasoanble suspicion? No idea if there was here.

Not sure there was any real time for that before the situation spiraled. Someone called in a domestic dispute taking place on the street. If that's the call, you can't really dilly dally rounding up a social worker in case someone's going to get hurt. This officer responded and, so far as we can tell from what's available so far, tried to separate the two people.

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They released the body cam video on this. The cop didn't brutalize the student. The worst you can say is that the cop should've asked nicely a third time for the guy to step away from the woman whose phone and wallet he took

Dave Bangert has good coverage of the new information. (He's a former journalist for the local paper who runs a Substack since his retirement): https://davebangert.substack.com/p/special-prosecutor-purdue-officer?s=r

The officer was on the scene because someone had phoned in a potential domestic abuse situation. The person calling into the police said, “woman in driver’s seat, guy outside of door screaming really loud. … I think she’s trying to leave. He won’t let her leave.” When the officer arrived on the scene, the student, Adonis Tuggle, said the girlfriend (who was in the car) had "been acting f**king crazy." When asked why he had her phone and wallet, Tuggle told the officer, "Because she’s not listening to me, and I’m trying to get her attention.”

The officer tells Tuggle to move behind the car. He ignores that. The officer tells him again and advises Tuggle that if he doesn't, he'll be handcuffed. Tuggle ignores him again. The officer puts the handcuffs on one arm then, when he goes to put them on the second arm, Tuggle starts resisting. From the footage, it doesn't look like a great deal of force is being used, but Tuggle starts screaming like a soccer player trying to draw a penalty.

The rest has been pretty well described in the earlier discussion. Tuggle's girlfriend released a small part of the incident and he went on social media trying to drum up support. As the special prosecutor put it, Tuggle released the out of context video in an attempt to “help him evade responsibility for his behavior and shift the narrative to one where “suddenly the police are using unreasonable force on a Black man.”

“He shifted the whole narrative,” Cummings said. “It's all on video, and I can tell the person responsible for that conflict is Mr. Tuggle. … What the officer did to get control of that situation was not unreasonable, particularly in light of the fact that Mr. Tuggle was not injured.”

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The videos will speak for themselves. There is no reason to believe a word of police reports where there is video

By and large, I think body cams have helped police more than they harmed them. No idea what this one will show, but suspects are very often not honest, and police have given people reason not to trust them. Video isn't always reliable since it doesn't always provide the context we'd like. But it's better than nothing.

If the cop is shown beating someone on the ground, there is no context to justify it

Here it's a little more ambiguous. Cop is on top of the man. Cop's forearm goes from the guy's chin to throat to chest and back as the guy is moving under him. Not clear how much pressure is being applied. So, not a beating. Maybe a choke, but that's not entirely clear.

They never needed to come into physical contact. There was no arrest and no reasonable suspicion. By the time they ended up in the ground the cop already f’d up.

We can't possibly make that conclusion based on the video we have so far. Also, there was an arrest. From the student newspaper article, it sounds like the police arrested him for resisting efforts to separate the witnesses so the officer could conduct his investigation. Cop still could've f'd up, but we really don't know yet.

We do know there was no crime before the cop assaulted the man.

So, there was no reason to investigate, no reason to separate, no reason to detain.

It's illegal to detain somebody that has not committed a crime.

The cop will have to prove that there was a reasonable suspicion that the man committed a crime. Talking loudly is not reasonable suspicion. If the woman had a black eye or somebody on the scene said that there was an assault on the woman there would have been reasonable suspicion. That did not exist.

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The videos will speak for themselves. There is no reason to believe a word of police reports where there is video

By and large, I think body cams have helped police more than they harmed them. No idea what this one will show, but suspects are very often not honest, and police have given people reason not to trust them. Video isn't always reliable since it doesn't always provide the context we'd like. But it's better than nothing.

If the cop is shown beating someone on the ground, there is no context to justify it

Here it's a little more ambiguous. Cop is on top of the man. Cop's forearm goes from the guy's chin to throat to chest and back as the guy is moving under him. Not clear how much pressure is being applied. So, not a beating. Maybe a choke, but that's not entirely clear.

They never needed to come into physical contact. There was no arrest and no reasonable suspicion. By the time they ended up in the ground the cop already f’d up.

We can't possibly make that conclusion based on the video we have so far. Also, there was an arrest. From the student newspaper article, it sounds like the police arrested him for resisting efforts to separate the witnesses so the officer could conduct his investigation. Cop still could've f'd up, but we really don't know yet.

We do know there was no crime before the cop assaulted the man.

So, there was no reason to investigate, no reason to separate, no reason to detain.

It's illegal to detain somebody that has not committed a crime.

The cop will have to prove that there was a reasonable suspicion that the man committed a crime. Talking loudly is not reasonable suspicion. If the woman had a black eye or somebody on the scene said that there was an assault on the woman there would have been reasonable suspicion. That did not exist.

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+1. First of all, the cop is entitled to ask the guy to move away from a suspected victim. He's entitled to use force to separate a person from a suspected victim if the person does not move away when asked to do so. On top of that, there was probable cause to believe that the guy had committed at least the crime of conversion. He was exercising unauthorized control over his girlfriend's wallet and phone so that she'd pay attention to him. You had his admission to that effect in addition to the original phone call to the police that indicated that there was yelling between the two.

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Queue outrage before facts...

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Just do what the f------ cop says and almost none of these "brutality" cases would happen! God damn

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Anonymous wrote:Just do what the f------ cop says and almost none of these "brutality" cases would happen! God damn

Lick the boots and lick them well

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Anonymous wrote:My family full of law enforcement analyze these every time they hit the news.

Is he resisting, absolutely.

Why TF is a cop throwing somebody to the ground in the 1st place. They can't legally detain somebody unless they are arresting them, so why did this person even end up on the ground. The cop did not follow his training, that is what happens in these cases.

You can't make a mistake then blame the citizen.

We're still waiting for body cam and police dash cam videos to come out. All we have is a piece of the girlfriend's video. No idea how they ended up on the ground. Could definitely have been the cop being an untrained asshole. My understanding is that the cop was trying to separate the witnesses. I think he could legally use some amount of force to, for example, get the guy to step away from a witness in order to allow the officer to interview her. Even if he wasn't planning on arresting the guy.

They can see the woman has no injuries. There was no report of physical violence. There is no reasonable suspicion. The original call was a false report. You can’t talk loudly now? You can’t frickin break up without a police response.

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Anonymous wrote:Just do what the f------ cop says and almost none of these "brutality" cases would happen! God damn

Lick the boots and lick them well

Anarchy is cool, bro.

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Anonymous wrote:My family full of law enforcement analyze these every time they hit the news.

Is he resisting, absolutely.

Why TF is a cop throwing somebody to the ground in the 1st place. They can't legally detain somebody unless they are arresting them, so why did this person even end up on the ground. The cop did not follow his training, that is what happens in these cases.

You can't make a mistake then blame the citizen.

We're still waiting for body cam and police dash cam videos to come out. All we have is a piece of the girlfriend's video. No idea how they ended up on the ground. Could definitely have been the cop being an untrained asshole. My understanding is that the cop was trying to separate the witnesses. I think he could legally use some amount of force to, for example, get the guy to step away from a witness in order to allow the officer to interview her. Even if he wasn't planning on arresting the guy.

They can see the woman has no injuries. There was no report of physical violence. There is no reasonable suspicion. The original call was a false report. You can’t talk loudly now? You can’t frickin break up without a police response.

GMAFB

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-1 Yeah you actually can't get into a screaming match in public without potentially drawing police or having others concerned, file what you call "false reports". Your take is very similar to someone who thinks they can beat up their wife in their "own home" because it's private property.