Police Brutality at Purdue

[Anonymous]

Purdue is embroiled in "police brutality" allegations. Purdue Exponent story here: https://www.purdueexponent.org/campus/article_f27e54ac-89fc-11ec-a646-2bf68067b76b.html

About 20 seconds of video was released that put Purdue Police in a bad light. An officer (with an unfortunate Hitler mustache) is shown on top of a student in a snow bank with his arm variously on the man's chin, chest, and neck. It's unclear how much force is being used, but during the video the man and the camera operator declare that the officer is hurting him. Because the individual is black, the encounter is being described as racist.

Adonis Tuggle alleges that a Purdue police officer used excessive force while restraining him.

The junior in the College of Health and Human Sciences was arrested for resisting law enforcement, according to Purdue police logs, but he says he didn't resist.

In a video taken by his girlfriend, Tuggle struggles in the snow, while officer Jon Selke holds his forearm over Tuggle’s neck and face. It’s unclear from the video how much pressure Selke uses.
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Police were called on scene by a bystander because of a “domestic disturbance of a couple arguing during a breakup,” police spokesperson Capt. Song Kang said. Tuggle said he saw a black truck pull over and park in the area; he assumes the driver is who called police.

Selke arrived about two minutes later and tried to separate parties to figure out what was happening, Kang said.

“He didn’t follow instructions,” he said. “It was a simple resisting case.”

Tuggle said he wasn’t resisting arrest, but instead, Selke screamed at him to “get away from the car.”

“I tried to explain to him, ‘Nothing’s going on,’” Tuggle said Wednesday. “‘I'm not attacking her. This is my girlfriend. We're having an argument.’”

The Purdue Graduate Student Government released a statement saying that it "continues to stand by its commitment to supporting Black Boilermakers, and we condemn all police violence that disproportionately harms Black communities." [Source: https://www.purdueexponent.org/campus/article_ff0b0500-8ab8-11ec-ba73-e79ad249eda0.html]

Indiana University's student body president released a statement saying, ""The deplorable encounter between the Purdue University Police Department and (Tuggle) vigorously reminds us that campus police are not void of the pervasive biases that have disproportionately impacted racial communities." [Source: https://www.purdueexponent.org/campus/article_94c47dde-8abd-11ec-a49c-4f5a7e313b53.html]

[Anonymous]

My family full of law enforcement analyze these every time they hit the news.

Is he resisting, absolutely.

Why TF is a cop throwing somebody to the ground in the 1st place. They can't legally detain somebody unless they are arresting them, so why did this person even end up on the ground. The cop did not follow his training, that is what happens in these cases.

You can't make a mistake then blame the citizen.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My family full of law enforcement analyze these every time they hit the news.

Is he resisting, absolutely.

Why TF is a cop throwing somebody to the ground in the 1st place. They can't legally detain somebody unless they are arresting them, so why did this person even end up on the ground. The cop did not follow his training, that is what happens in these cases.

You can't make a mistake then blame the citizen.

We're still waiting for body cam and police dash cam videos to come out. All we have is a piece of the girlfriend's video. No idea how they ended up on the ground. Could definitely have been the cop being an untrained asshole. My understanding is that the cop was trying to separate the witnesses. I think he could legally use some amount of force to, for example, get the guy to step away from a witness in order to allow the officer to interview her. Even if he wasn't planning on arresting the guy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My family full of law enforcement analyze these every time they hit the news.

Is he resisting, absolutely.

Why TF is a cop throwing somebody to the ground in the 1st place. They can't legally detain somebody unless they are arresting them, so why did this person even end up on the ground. The cop did not follow his training, that is what happens in these cases.

You can't make a mistake then blame the citizen.

We're still waiting for body cam and police dash cam videos to come out. All we have is a piece of the girlfriend's video. No idea how they ended up on the ground. Could definitely have been the cop being an untrained asshole. My understanding is that the cop was trying to separate the witnesses. I think he could legally use some amount of force to, for example, get the guy to step away from a witness in order to allow the officer to interview her. Even if he wasn't planning on arresting the guy.

If there's one thing I've learned over the past few years, it's that the police spokesman is lying 99% of the time when they give their first statements

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My family full of law enforcement analyze these every time they hit the news.

Is he resisting, absolutely.

Why TF is a cop throwing somebody to the ground in the 1st place. They can't legally detain somebody unless they are arresting them, so why did this person even end up on the ground. The cop did not follow his training, that is what happens in these cases.

You can't make a mistake then blame the citizen.

We're still waiting for body cam and police dash cam videos to come out. All we have is a piece of the girlfriend's video. No idea how they ended up on the ground. Could definitely have been the cop being an untrained asshole. My understanding is that the cop was trying to separate the witnesses. I think he could legally use some amount of force to, for example, get the guy to step away from a witness in order to allow the officer to interview her. Even if he wasn't planning on arresting the guy.

They can see the woman has no injuries. There was no report of physical violence. There is no reasonable suspicion. The original call was a false report. You can’t talk loudly now? You can’t frickin break up without a police response.

GMAFB

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My family full of law enforcement analyze these every time they hit the news.

Is he resisting, absolutely.

Why TF is a cop throwing somebody to the ground in the 1st place. They can't legally detain somebody unless they are arresting them, so why did this person even end up on the ground. The cop did not follow his training, that is what happens in these cases.

You can't make a mistake then blame the citizen.

We're still waiting for body cam and police dash cam videos to come out. All we have is a piece of the girlfriend's video. No idea how they ended up on the ground. Could definitely have been the cop being an untrained asshole. My understanding is that the cop was trying to separate the witnesses. I think he could legally use some amount of force to, for example, get the guy to step away from a witness in order to allow the officer to interview her. Even if he wasn't planning on arresting the guy.

If there's one thing I've learned over the past few years, it's that the police spokesman is lying 99% of the time when they give their first statements

One thing people don’t understand is the 1st “police report” is just interviews with “witnesses” which is full of lies.

A police investigation has facts and evidence… police report not.

Most news sources use police reports which is a terrible practice.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My family full of law enforcement analyze these every time they hit the news.

Is he resisting, absolutely.

Why TF is a cop throwing somebody to the ground in the 1st place. They can't legally detain somebody unless they are arresting them, so why did this person even end up on the ground. The cop did not follow his training, that is what happens in these cases.

You can't make a mistake then blame the citizen.

We're still waiting for body cam and police dash cam videos to come out. All we have is a piece of the girlfriend's video. No idea how they ended up on the ground. Could definitely have been the cop being an untrained asshole. My understanding is that the cop was trying to separate the witnesses. I think he could legally use some amount of force to, for example, get the guy to step away from a witness in order to allow the officer to interview her. Even if he wasn't planning on arresting the guy.

They can see the woman has no injuries. There was no report of physical violence. There is no reasonable suspicion. The original call was a false report. You can’t talk loudly now? You can’t frickin break up without a police response.

GMAFB

The cops can't be held liable for a false report.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My family full of law enforcement analyze these every time they hit the news.

Is he resisting, absolutely.

Why TF is a cop throwing somebody to the ground in the 1st place. They can't legally detain somebody unless they are arresting them, so why did this person even end up on the ground. The cop did not follow his training, that is what happens in these cases.

You can't make a mistake then blame the citizen.

We're still waiting for body cam and police dash cam videos to come out. All we have is a piece of the girlfriend's video. No idea how they ended up on the ground. Could definitely have been the cop being an untrained asshole. My understanding is that the cop was trying to separate the witnesses. I think he could legally use some amount of force to, for example, get the guy to step away from a witness in order to allow the officer to interview her. Even if he wasn't planning on arresting the guy.

If there's one thing I've learned over the past few years, it's that the police spokesman is lying 99% of the time when they give their first statements

One thing people don’t understand is the 1st “police report” is just interviews with “witnesses” which is full of lies.

A police investigation has facts and evidence… police report not.

Most news sources use police reports which is a terrible practice.

I don't think we've actually seen a police report yet. We've got reporter quotes of a police spokesperson who may have seen a police report. So, that combines the best elements of an ass-covering bureaucracy with a game of telephone. On the other side, we've got edited video and the self-serving account of the guy who tangled with the police and presumably doesn't want his probation revoked. So, in my opinion, all of the current sources of information are potentially unreliable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My family full of law enforcement analyze these every time they hit the news.

Is he resisting, absolutely.

Why TF is a cop throwing somebody to the ground in the 1st place. They can't legally detain somebody unless they are arresting them, so why did this person even end up on the ground. The cop did not follow his training, that is what happens in these cases.

You can't make a mistake then blame the citizen.

We're still waiting for body cam and police dash cam videos to come out. All we have is a piece of the girlfriend's video. No idea how they ended up on the ground. Could definitely have been the cop being an untrained asshole. My understanding is that the cop was trying to separate the witnesses. I think he could legally use some amount of force to, for example, get the guy to step away from a witness in order to allow the officer to interview her. Even if he wasn't planning on arresting the guy.

They can see the woman has no injuries. There was no report of physical violence. There is no reasonable suspicion. The original call was a false report. You can’t talk loudly now? You can’t frickin break up without a police response.

GMAFB

The cops can't be held liable for a false report.

Actually it is their job to know that often black peoples (or middle eastern with a backpack) have false reports called on them for doing normal daily activities. It is and should be part of their training.

A phone call is not reasonable suspicion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My family full of law enforcement analyze these every time they hit the news.

Is he resisting, absolutely.

Why TF is a cop throwing somebody to the ground in the 1st place. They can't legally detain somebody unless they are arresting them, so why did this person even end up on the ground. The cop did not follow his training, that is what happens in these cases.

You can't make a mistake then blame the citizen.

We're still waiting for body cam and police dash cam videos to come out. All we have is a piece of the girlfriend's video. No idea how they ended up on the ground. Could definitely have been the cop being an untrained asshole. My understanding is that the cop was trying to separate the witnesses. I think he could legally use some amount of force to, for example, get the guy to step away from a witness in order to allow the officer to interview her. Even if he wasn't planning on arresting the guy.

If there's one thing I've learned over the past few years, it's that the police spokesman is lying 99% of the time when they give their first statements

One thing people don’t understand is the 1st “police report” is just interviews with “witnesses” which is full of lies.

A police investigation has facts and evidence… police report not.

Most news sources use police reports which is a terrible practice.

I don't think we've actually seen a police report yet. We've got reporter quotes of a police spokesperson who may have seen a police report. So, that combines the best elements of an ass-covering bureaucracy with a game of telephone. On the other side, we've got edited video and the self-serving account of the guy who tangled with the police and presumably doesn't want his probation revoked. So, in my opinion, all of the current sources of information are potentially unreliable.

That’s why most people will not comment during an ongoing investigation. A police report is meaningless. All information is biased until there’s physical evidence. Even firsthand account of a good person who thinks they saw something is unreliable

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My family full of law enforcement analyze these every time they hit the news.

Is he resisting, absolutely.

Why TF is a cop throwing somebody to the ground in the 1st place. They can't legally detain somebody unless they are arresting them, so why did this person even end up on the ground. The cop did not follow his training, that is what happens in these cases.

You can't make a mistake then blame the citizen.

We're still waiting for body cam and police dash cam videos to come out. All we have is a piece of the girlfriend's video. No idea how they ended up on the ground. Could definitely have been the cop being an untrained asshole. My understanding is that the cop was trying to separate the witnesses. I think he could legally use some amount of force to, for example, get the guy to step away from a witness in order to allow the officer to interview her. Even if he wasn't planning on arresting the guy.

If there's one thing I've learned over the past few years, it's that the police spokesman is lying 99% of the time when they give their first statements

One thing people don’t understand is the 1st “police report” is just interviews with “witnesses” which is full of lies.

A police investigation has facts and evidence… police report not.

Most news sources use police reports which is a terrible practice.

I don't think we've actually seen a police report yet. We've got reporter quotes of a police spokesperson who may have seen a police report. So, that combines the best elements of an ass-covering bureaucracy with a game of telephone. On the other side, we've got edited video and the self-serving account of the guy who tangled with the police and presumably doesn't want his probation revoked. So, in my opinion, all of the current sources of information are potentially unreliable.

That’s why most people will not comment during an ongoing investigation. A police report is meaningless. All information is biased until there’s physical evidence. Even firsthand account of a good person who thinks they saw something is unreliable

The spokesman 100% gives the police version of event without any equivocation. I'd love to see them open to defamation and liable suits if qualified immunity is ever lifted

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My family full of law enforcement analyze these every time they hit the news.

Is he resisting, absolutely.

Why TF is a cop throwing somebody to the ground in the 1st place. They can't legally detain somebody unless they are arresting them, so why did this person even end up on the ground. The cop did not follow his training, that is what happens in these cases.

You can't make a mistake then blame the citizen.

We're still waiting for body cam and police dash cam videos to come out. All we have is a piece of the girlfriend's video. No idea how they ended up on the ground. Could definitely have been the cop being an untrained asshole. My understanding is that the cop was trying to separate the witnesses. I think he could legally use some amount of force to, for example, get the guy to step away from a witness in order to allow the officer to interview her. Even if he wasn't planning on arresting the guy.

If there's one thing I've learned over the past few years, it's that the police spokesman is lying 99% of the time when they give their first statements

One thing people don’t understand is the 1st “police report” is just interviews with “witnesses” which is full of lies.

A police investigation has facts and evidence… police report not.

Most news sources use police reports which is a terrible practice.

I don't think we've actually seen a police report yet. We've got reporter quotes of a police spokesperson who may have seen a police report. So, that combines the best elements of an ass-covering bureaucracy with a game of telephone. On the other side, we've got edited video and the self-serving account of the guy who tangled with the police and presumably doesn't want his probation revoked. So, in my opinion, all of the current sources of information are potentially unreliable.

The videos will speak for themselves. There is no reason to believe a word of police reports where there is video

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My family full of law enforcement analyze these every time they hit the news.

Is he resisting, absolutely.

Why TF is a cop throwing somebody to the ground in the 1st place. They can't legally detain somebody unless they are arresting them, so why did this person even end up on the ground. The cop did not follow his training, that is what happens in these cases.

You can't make a mistake then blame the citizen.

We're still waiting for body cam and police dash cam videos to come out. All we have is a piece of the girlfriend's video. No idea how they ended up on the ground. Could definitely have been the cop being an untrained asshole. My understanding is that the cop was trying to separate the witnesses. I think he could legally use some amount of force to, for example, get the guy to step away from a witness in order to allow the officer to interview her. Even if he wasn't planning on arresting the guy.

If there's one thing I've learned over the past few years, it's that the police spokesman is lying 99% of the time when they give their first statements

One thing people don’t understand is the 1st “police report” is just interviews with “witnesses” which is full of lies.

A police investigation has facts and evidence… police report not.

Most news sources use police reports which is a terrible practice.

I don't think we've actually seen a police report yet. We've got reporter quotes of a police spokesperson who may have seen a police report. So, that combines the best elements of an ass-covering bureaucracy with a game of telephone. On the other side, we've got edited video and the self-serving account of the guy who tangled with the police and presumably doesn't want his probation revoked. So, in my opinion, all of the current sources of information are potentially unreliable.

That’s why most people will not comment during an ongoing investigation. A police report is meaningless. All information is biased until there’s physical evidence. Even firsthand account of a good person who thinks they saw something is unreliable

The spokesman 100% gives the police version of event without any equivocation. I'd love to see them open to defamation and liable suits if qualified immunity is ever lifted

That’s their job, media not facts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

The videos will speak for themselves. There is no reason to believe a word of police reports where there is video

By and large, I think body cams have helped police more than they harmed them. No idea what this one will show, but suspects are very often not honest, and police have given people reason not to trust them. Video isn't always reliable since it doesn't always provide the context we'd like. But it's better than nothing.

[Anonymous]

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