Are homosexual natures created by nurture, nature, or God?
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Anonymous
Gods are usually thought of as sentient. Nature is not. As a naturalist and sentient, I have no problem associating/melding God and nature. You and I are a part of nature, and in a sense, God. Modern Gnostic Christians name our god "I am", and yes, we do mean ourselves. You are your controller. I am mine. You represent and present whatever mind picture you have of your God or ideal human, and so do I. The name "I Am" you might see as meaning something like, --- I think I have grown up thanks to having forced my apotheosis through Gnosis and meditation and “I am”, represents the best rules and laws that we have found to live by. In Gnostic Christianity, we follow the Christian tradition that Christians have forgotten that they are to do. That is, become brethren to Jesus. That is why some say that the only good Christian is a Gnostic Christian. Here is the real way to salvation that Jesus taught. Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light. John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Allan Watts explain those quotes in detail. Alan Watts - On The Book of Eli - YouTube Joseph Campbell shows the same esoteric ecumenist idea in this link. On Becoming an Adult - YouTube The bible just plainly says to put away the things of children. The supernatural and literal reading of myths. Regards DL |
Anonymous
Posters’ handle is “Gnostic” which leads me to believe they’re head to learn about religion or muck the pot, but who knows. The truth is, no one should ask organized religion for its take on sexuality. It simply doesn’t matter. It’s like asking a doctor if bleeding by leaches is still an appropriate cure for plague. |
Anonymous
Did you not want to speaqk of the issue? If God, as believers think, then why is God creating gays? Regards DL |
Anonymous
Obviously. DNA damage. DNA controls our chemistry and thus our5 thinking. If God creates and sustains us, then he would be controlling every aspect of life, including nature. I give that chore to nature as that way I have no problem of evil that Christians have to try to explain. Christians sing that sin is necessary to God's plan, but they stupidly have forgotten how to do apologetics for that notion. Regards DL |
Anonymous
You mean part of the elevation of man. Christians call Eden where we fell and gained Original Sin. Jews, who wrote the myth and have first dibs on interpretations, end with Original Virtue. I see both God and man as winners in Eden. You seem to think that God and man failed. Do you not recognize that sin is necessary to God's plan? You sing that every Easter in your Exusultet hymn. If a Christian, explain your view and contradictions. Is God a winner or a loser in Eden? Regards DL |
Anonymous
Not according to the bible. Are non-believers doomed by Divine Design? Scriptures say that God decides if a person will be a believer or non-believer. Those scriptures are shown in this link. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byHYeHN4ZUQ Those quotes seems to really screw up the free will notion that Christians say God gives us. The free will that God offers is kind of a joke anyway given the number of people whose free will to live is ignored in the billions of adults, children and babies that God is shown to torture and murder in scriptures. If the bible and Yahweh are to be believed, and as a non-believer, I, of course, cannot believe it, thanks to God, by God’s design and will against me, then why did God deny me belief or faith? Even more important to believers, might be to answer the question of; did God make you a believer in things that you can only hope exists and can never confirm? Are you happy with God ignoring or negating your free will to think as you please? I have assumed that God’s work of creating both believers and non-believers is working. If that is so, and you believers must think it so, just as I as a non-believer cannot think it is working, --- and Jesus said that those with faith could do all he did and more, --- then there is not even one believer or person of faith that has ever existed. Either the bible and Christianity is all a lie, or there must be some who can do what Jesus did. What is your choice of those two options? Is the bible and Christianity a lie, or is God just not creating any people with faith, --- which would make all Christians who say they have faith, --- liars. I mean no insult here but someone is definitely lying, if we read what is written and look at reality and listen to Christians. What do you think is the truth? Is it just for God to create people doomed to hell even if they wanted to believe? Regards DL |
Anonymous
Nature is sentient to you? Why do the religious hate what God creates? Regards DL |
Anonymous
Complicated? I try to KIS because religions have dumbed down their people too much for complicated issues. Have you noted the poor quality of religious apologists? Regards DL |
Anonymous
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/17/us/it-is-not-a-closet-it-is-a-cage-gay-catholic-priests-speak-out.html estimates are that up to 40% of clergy are gay. |
Anonymous
Having suffered my apotheosis, going from a Jesus consciousness to a Christ consciousness, I agree that Jesus would chastise all believers as they are mostly hypocrites and liars. That includes the clergy. Regards DL |
Anonymous
Given the stats I see on the numbers who claim affiliation to a religion, compared to who goes to church or temple etc, that vast majority of claimants are actually lying. Claimants. -- 95% of some populations. Church goers in that. -- 5% So many liars who only want a place to be burried. Regards DL |
Anonymous
No argument on this. Lots of gay priests, I have no problem with. Pedophiles, I do have a problem with. You did not indicate that you knew the difference. Regards DL |
Anonymous
you're the one who assumed that gay clergy referred to pedofiles. Normal people don't feel the need to specify non-pedo when referring to gay people |
Anonymous
I agree 100%. The problem is that mainstream Christians have held back on attacking Evangelicals and MAGA Catholics for being what they are - frauds. While the First Amendment protects (as it should ) their right to hold their religious views, it does not protect them from criticism, and, in fact, protects those who criticize them. |
Anonymous
Hey DL. Can you explain Gnostic Christianity for me? What it means, what its tenets are? I'd like to learn; I never even understood Gnosticism in general. I'm not adverse mind you, just never understood what it meant. Thank you. |