The true meaning of "equity"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Pp please go private if you like, but lobby for a voucher system so the money follows the student. Then the people that stay in the public school can play their equity games from morning till night.

Equity is always more fair when it’s not done on your dime. It feels even good to be magnanimous with the less fortunate as long as it doesn’t hurt your pocket.

For the equity crowd, what have you personally done with your own resources to advance equity? Chances are the answer is nothing.

True! PP whose kid with 140+ score is in pool supports Equity as she has nothing to lose. When she has something to lose, she will Not support it.

[Anonymous]

People are arguing based on speculation. There is no evidence at this point that FCPS will admit any fewer high-SES kids under the new system. Those not in the pool will self-refer anyway.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:A lot of postings over the last few weeks on the 2nd grade AAP pool made me realize that many on this board don't actually know what "equity" means. It is NOT equal treatment for all. It is "right sizing" the treatment based on the needs of the population. (alt+p)

Equity means providing the Title I kids more benefits than the kids from the higher SES schools because the Title I kids theoretically need greater support to have an equal footing as the kids from the SES schools.

So the high achiever receives nothing in order to give more to the lowest achiever? Seems like the direction FCPS is heading in.

The high achiever gets no boost in this example because they don't need it. They can already see the game without help. In other words, the high-SES child with a score of 132 is already surrounded by many other high-scoring kids (see FCPS example from prior years of schools with 40+ kids in-pool) and is likely receiving a higher level of educational services already as a result--for example, the elementary schools that are already using an AAP curriculum for gen ed.

Do you actually have any real world classroom experience? These make believe schools where everybody is 132+ don't exist and definitely don't exist when you take the 140 crowd to hang with 115/120s from elsewhere. HIgh SES schools also have problems, and yes also have many kids behind grade level, especially this year. Who do you think gets reading/math support on a 1 on 1 basis? Extra help multiple times a week? And who gets told to figure it out on their own with a small group of peers, teacher too busy to help.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:People are arguing based on speculation. There is no evidence at this point that FCPS will admit any fewer high-SES kids under the new system. Those not in the pool will self-refer anyway.

If 120 or lower score kids are admitted then due to cap in the number of kids being admitted, they have to reject few kids who are close to 132 from high SES schools. This is speculation too but what you are saying is that parents refer and any kid with scores 132 and above has a fair chance May but be true.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:A lot of postings over the last few weeks on the 2nd grade AAP pool made me realize that many on this board don't actually know what "equity" means. It is NOT equal treatment for all. It is "right sizing" the treatment based on the needs of the population. (alt+p)

Equity means providing the Title I kids more benefits than the kids from the higher SES schools because the Title I kids theoretically need greater support to have an equal footing as the kids from the SES schools.

So the high achiever receives nothing in order to give more to the lowest achiever? Seems like the direction FCPS is heading in.

The high achiever gets no boost in this example because they don't need it. They can already see the game without help. In other words, the high-SES child with a score of 132 is already surrounded by many other high-scoring kids (see FCPS example from prior years of schools with 40+ kids in-pool) and is likely receiving a higher level of educational services already as a result--for example, the elementary schools that are already using an AAP curriculum for gen ed.

Do you actually have any real world classroom experience? These make believe schools where everybody is 132+ don't exist and definitely don't exist when you take the 140 crowd to hang with 115/120s from elsewhere. HIgh SES schools also have problems, and yes also have many kids behind grade level, especially this year. Who do you think gets reading/math support on a 1 on 1 basis? Extra help multiple times a week? And who gets told to figure it out on their own with a small group of peers, teacher too busy to help.

It’s the high achiever who suffers here. They think these Tiger moms have nothing else to do than spend weekends actually teaching their child math and writing. Or the parents have tons of money to afford tutors and expensive group classes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A lot of postings over the last few weeks on the 2nd grade AAP pool made me realize that many on this board don't actually know what "equity" means. It is NOT equal treatment for all. It is "right sizing" the treatment based on the needs of the population. (alt+p)

Equity means providing the Title I kids more benefits than the kids from the higher SES schools because the Title I kids theoretically need greater support to have an equal footing as the kids from the SES schools.

The current equity: the tallest guy is put in a hole, the middle guy's stool is taken away. The result: no one can see anything.

[Anonymous]

+1
And this is not just for education, AAP, TJ or college admissions. This is everywhere.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Pp please go private if you like, but lobby for a voucher system so the money follows the student. Then the people that stay in the public school can play their equity games from morning till night.

Equity is always more fair when it’s not done on your dime. It feels even good to be magnanimous with the less fortunate as long as it doesn’t hurt your pocket.

For the equity crowd, what have you personally done with your own resources to advance equity? Chances are the answer is nothing.

True! PP whose kid with 140+ score is in pool supports Equity as she has nothing to lose. When she has something to lose, she will Not support it.

Meanwhile, PP whose kid is in the pool and doesn't support equity can't even bring herself to be magnanimous to poor kids when she has nothing to lose. How sad.

[Anonymous]

Those people should pay for tickets instead of illegally watching the game.

[Anonymous]

Equity is a such a dubious concept because nobody can define it, so it fits whatever is needed to advance an agenda. Since when do you need pictures to define a word, are we in kindergarten?

The rough explanation is “to each according to his need”. But who decides what the needs are, and how much is needed to fulfill it? Nobody knows, we’re supposed to trust our leaders.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:And none of the solutions are fair to the people that paid to watch the game. Removing the "barrier" to accommodate a cheater is not "justice"

Came on here to say this. What about justice and equity for those paying for the game? what about paying the players who are playing the game?

[Anonymous]

May need to watch this before discussing equity.

[Anonymous]

I always believe that people are progressive until it actually affects/hurts them. My family moved from a title 1 school to a higher SES school and my kid with a high COGAT did not make the pool as a result. It stung at first, but this is part of walking the walk. I believe that everyone seeing over the fence is a good thing and better overall for our society. There is always someone being passed over/not accepted/less successful. It is privilege that makes us think it should never be our child.

[Anonymous]

I think this also relevant; out country is still healing https://www.npr.org/2021/12/16/1064890661/claudette-colvin-rosa-parks-arrest-record-expunged?utm_term=nprnews&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=npr&fbclid=IwAR2Nx-fl9m9ZOWx75zoW3tLUrVawwHkgDXJy07u9BAVub2U_KjTs6DRDzQw

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A lot of postings over the last few weeks on the 2nd grade AAP pool made me realize that many on this board don't actually know what "equity" means. It is NOT equal treatment for all. It is "right sizing" the treatment based on the needs of the population. (alt+p)

Equity means providing the Title I kids more benefits than the kids from the higher SES schools because the Title I kids theoretically need greater support to have an equal footing as the kids from the SES schools.

I'm confused by the pictures. The three people obviously did not pay for a ticket. How is it equity to help people take something they did not pay for?